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repentance_n follow_v they_o sometime_o with_o judgement_n sometime_o with_o mereie_n and_o compassion_n etc._n etc._n levit._n 26_o 15-45_a ezech._n 16_o 59-62_a judg._n 2_o 1-20_a etc._n etc._n thus_o in_o israel_n who_o be_v the_o lord_n people_n it_o may_v be_v note_v how_o they_o go_v a_o whore_v after_o their_o own_o invention_n fall_v into_o idolatry_n and_o false_a worship_n run_v into_o sin_n after_o sin_n and_o become_v a_o harlot_n transgress_v the_o covenant_n on_o their_o part_n exod._n 32._o judg._n 2._o and_o 3._o with_o psa_n 78_o 56-58_a 1_o sam._n 7_o 3_o 4._o 1_o king_n 12_o 28-33_a and_o 14.22.23.24_o with_o 2_o chron._n 12._o and_o 13._o and_o 1_o king_n 19.10_o hos_fw-la 6.7_o and_o 8.1_o yet_o the_o lord_n break_v it_o not_o on_o his_o part_n but_o sometime_o of_o himself_o sometime_o at_o the_o entreaty_n of_o his_o prophet_n &_o servant_n he_o spare_v they_o and_o do_v not_o destroy_v they_o or_o present_o give_v they_o a_o bill_n of_o divorce_n according_a 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first_o institute_v and_o minister_v the_o lord_n supper_n himself_o he_o have_v receive_v true_a baptism_n before_o mat._n 3_o 16._o with_o 26.26.27.28_o the_o like_a may_v be_v observe_v about_o his_o apostle_n &_o namely_o about_o paul_n who_o be_v first_o baptize_v afore_o he_o receive_v or_o administer_v the_o lord_n supper_n act._n 9.18_o with_o 20.11_o and_o so_o in_o other_o from_o time_n to_o time_n by_o which_o themselves_o may_v perceive_v what_o a_o continual_a profanation_n of_o god_n holy_a thing_n be_v among_o they_o that_o so_o minister_v or_o receive_v not_o have_v true_a baptism_n and_o the_o reader_n may_v discern_v how_o needful_a it_o have_v be_v for_o they_o better_o to_o have_v think_v of_o their_o position_n and_o objection_n
to_o the_o church_n of_o israel_n be_v by_o they_o use_v and_o to_o be_v perform_v according_a to_o order_n and_o not_o any_o way_n to_o weaken_v but_o to_o establish_v the_o elder_n authority_n and_o we_o must_v not_o be_v stranger_n from_o the_o policy_n of_o israel_n eph._n 2.12_o etc._n etc._n yea_o this_o very_a instruction_n in_o mat._n 18.17_o be_v such_o as_o it_o accord_v with_o and_o have_v reference_n unto_o the_o ground_n and_o ordinance_n of_o god_n teach_v of_o old_a by_o moses_n &_o the_o prophet_n as_o be_v show_v in_o particular_a in_o the_o treatise_n aforesaid_a and_o in_o the_o church_n agreement_n publish_v there_o about_o so_o as_o their_o opposition_n against_o we_o therein_o be_v indeed_o against_o israel_n against_o moses_n &_o against_o the_o prophet_n and_o whether_o they_o it_o be_v not_o also_o consequent_o against_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o ordinance_n prescribe_v in_o his_o word_n let_v all_o indifferent_a man_n judge_v such_o be_v their_o error_n and_o so_o great_a be_v their_o transgression_n and_o iniquity_n and_o hitherto_o of_o the_o first_o objection_n which_o in_o the_o print_a copy_n be_v the_o second_o where_o furthermore_o observe_v how_o when_o they_o do_v here_o quote_v the_o scripture_n allege_v for_o proof_n of_o the_o 24_o article_n of_o the_o confession_n they_o do_v it_o thus_o mat._n 18.17_o etc._n etc._n whereas_o in_o the_o confession_n it_o be_v thus_o psal_n 122.3_o etc._n etc._n which_o be_v to_o be_v note_v in_o divers_a respect_n first_o because_o it_o show_v that_o at_o the_o set_n down_o of_o the_o confession_n the_o scripture_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v observe_v for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o it_o aswell_o as_o of_o the_o new_a second_o that_o mat._n 18.17_o be_v so_o to_o be_v understand_v as_o may_v agree_v with_o the_o other_o scripture_n &_o namely_o with_o psal_n 122.3_o lev._n 20.4.5_o and_o 24.14_o numb_a 5.2.3_o deut._n 13_o 9_o which_o scripture_n be_v in_o this_o article_n also_o 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to_o perform_v the_o execution_n according_o as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o scripture_n aforesaid_a &_o many_o other_o the_o like_a thus_o also_o the_o elder_n may_v now_o by_o virtue_n &_o duty_n of_o their_o office_n give_v out_o the_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n according_a to_o the_o la_o of_o god_n and_o the_o people_n shall_v according_o put_v it_o in_o execution_n by_o avoid_v the_o excommmunicate_v person_n till_o they_o repent_v etc._n etc._n or_o if_o any_o of_o the_o people_n can_v except_v against_o the_o elder_n proceed_v therein_o they_o be_v to_o be_v hear_v as_o in_o the_o foresay_a treatise_n upon_o mat._n 18_o 17._o i_o have_v write_v heretofore_o where_o note_n further_a how_o in_o that_o treatise_n it_o be_v often_o mention_v &_o particular_o in_o our_o agreement_n about_o the_o understanding_n of_o this_o scripture_n of_o mat._n 18.17_o that_o we_o shall_v always_o understand_v and_o observe_v these_o thing_n according_a as_o in_o israel_n in_o the_o due_a 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account_n of_o his_o servant_n propound_v it_o by_o the_o same_o phrase_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o this_o also_o be_v a_o duty_n which_o god_n require_v of_o the_o jew_v always_o aswell_o as_o of_o we_o now_o lev._n 19.18_o exod._n 23_o 4.5_o psal_n 7.4_o act._n 7_o 26._o and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n 19.13.14_o mat._n 19.13.14_o christ_n speak_v of_o little_a child_n that_o be_v bring_v unto_o he_o say_v that_o of_o such_o be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n which_o be_v always_o true_a of_o the_o infant_n and_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n as_o of_o we_o now_o but_o if_o any_o will_v gather_v hereupon_o for_o babe_n and_o little_a child_n as_o some_o do_v for_o the_o man_n woman_n &_o great_a child_n upon_o the_o like_a manner_n of_o speech_n that_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o have_v a_o hand_n in_o the_o church_n government_n and_o that_o the_o cause_n of_o sin_n and_o question_n fall_v out_o in_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v bring_v unto_o they_o aswell_o as_o to_o 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