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A31043 The nonconformists vindicated from the abuses put upon them by Mr. [brace] Durel and Scrivener being some short animadversions on their books soon after they came forth : in two letters to a friend (who could not hitherto get them published) : containing some remarques upon the celebrated conference at Hampton-Court / by a country scholar. Barrett, William, 17th cent. 1679 (1679) Wing B915; ESTC R37068 137,221 250

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that_o some_o among_o we_o have_v fall_v off_o to_o popery_n who_o before_o profess_v the_o reform_a religion_n it_o be_v not_o any_o form_n of_o government_n or_o external_a mode_n of_o worship_n that_o must_v put_v the_o papist_n to_o shame_n but_o the_o exemplary_a life_n of_o minister_n and_o people_n who_o separate_v from_o they_o when_o man_n once_o feel_v in_o their_o heart_n the_o power_n of_o godliness_n they_o be_v in_o no_o great_a danger_n to_o turn_v roman_a catholic_n he_o have_v another_o conceit_n p._n 139_o 140._o that_o the_o not_o receive_v of_o episcopal_a government_n may_v hinder_v the_o much_o desire_a union_n with_o the_o brethren_n that_o do_v follow_v the_o confession_n of_o auspurg_n in_o this_o i_o do_v vehement_o dissent_v from_o he_o for_o the_o yield_n to_o episcopal_a government_n will_v rather_o alienate_v they_o