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ergo._n the_o major_n i_o grant_v it_o the_o assumption_n if_o it_o have_v any_o sense_n be_v this_o in_o substance_n when_o a_o man_n be_v deep_o threaten_v in_o case_n he_o shall_v not_o comply_v with_o the_o state_n in_o their_o religion_n against_o his_o conscience_n 1._o either_o god_n leave_v such_o a_o man_n conscience_n to_o itself_o and_o it_o be_v harden_v 2._o or_o by_o reflect_v upon_o what_o it_o have_v do_v it_o bring_v itself_o into_o grievous_a agony_n of_o which_o it_o never_o recover_v afterward_o a._n s._n this_o be_v a_o very_a strange_a case_n of_o conscience_n viz._n that_o m._n s._n his_o and_o such_o like_a independent_a conscience_n be_v so_o tender_a and_o delicate_a that_o they_o be_v sore_o wound_v if_o they_o may_v not_o have_v a_o liberty_n to_o become_v
and_o perfect_a civil_a power_n over_o their_o subject_n and_o yet_o be_v destitute_a of_o all_o such_o intrinsical_n or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n either_o directive_n or_o executive_a since_o neither_o they_o know_v nor_o will_v know_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o be_v the_o only_a directive_n or_o regulative_a principle_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n &_o government_n neither_o ever_o do_v they_o or_o will_v they_o exercise_v any_o of_o these_o power_n yea_o they_o renounce_v they_o both_o now_o moral_o he_o be_v not_o say_v to_o have_v power_n to_o exercise_v a_o act_n who_o never_o exercise_v nor_o will_v exercise_v it_o but_o renounce_v it_o and_o all_o power_n unto_o it_o ergo_fw-la 14._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o quality_n of_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v any_o such_o intrinsical_a power_n or_o authority_n about_o the_o church_n church_n business_n and_o religion_n then_o must_v it_o not_o be_v call_v only_o a_o political_a civil_a or_o secular_a but_o also_o a_o 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it_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n ergo_fw-la 15._o if_o it_o be_v so_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n can_v not_o be_v a_o good_a magistrate_n unless_o he_o rule_v the_o church_n well_o for_o in_o omit_v this_o he_o shall_v omit_v the_o principal_a part_n of_o his_o office_n so_o not_o be_v skill_v in_o divinity_n he_o shall_v be_v unworthy_a of_o his_o charge_n and_o worthy_a to_o be_v depose_v which_o i_o believe_v none_o but_o independent_a magistrate_n will_v grant_v 16._o yea_o to_o be_v a_o true_a magistrate_n and_o acquit_v himself_o of_o his_o charge_n he_o must_v be_v a_o independent_a for_o to_o acquit_v himself_o of_o the_o charge_n of_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n he_o must_v rule_v the_o church_n well_o to_o rule_v the_o church_n well_o he_o must_v rule_v it_o in_o the_o independent_a way_n for_o episcopal_a government_n be_v naught_o not_o be_v so_o much_o as_o essential_o ecclesiastical_a government_n and_o presbyterian_a government_n if_o they_o be_v believe_v be_v nothing_o else_o but_o episcopal_a government_n to_o rule_v it_o in_o the_o independent_a way_n he_o must_v be_v a_o independent_a ergo_fw-la a_o primo_fw-la ad_fw-la ultimum_fw-la to_o be_v a_o true_a or_o lawful_a magistrate_n he_o must_v be_v a_o independent_a this_o for_o any_o thing_n i_o can_v see_v fall_v very_o little_a short_a of_o treason_n for_o howsoever_o happy_o they_o intend_v it_o not_o yet_o they_o tend_v as_o fast_o as_o they_o can_v to_o it_o 17._o that_o moral_a power_n whereof_o the_o external_a act_n be_v moral_o impossible_a be_v moral_o impossible_a but_o such_o be_v that_o intrinsical_a power_n in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n about_o spiritual_a matter_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n ergo_fw-la that_o intrinsical_v power_n etc._n etc._n must_v be_v moral_o impossible_a the_o major_a proposition_n be_v certain_a for_o neither_o god_n nor_o nature_n nor_o man_n in_o their_o right_a wit_n ever_o ordain_v any_o moral_a power_n whereof_o the_o act_n be_v moral_o impossible_a for_o active_a power_n be_v only_o for_o their_o act_n as_o for_o their_o end_n now_o if_o the_o end_n be_v impossible_a so_o must_v that_o which_o be_v for_o that_o end_n be_v impossible_a and_o if_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o sail_v we_o shall_v never_o build_v ship_n to_o sail_v with_o i_o prove_v the_o minor_a for_o i_o put_v the_o case_n there_o be_v a_o ecumenical_a council_n as_o have_v be_v see_v in_o former_a time_n and_o may_v be_v in_o time_n to_o come_v then_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v possible_a for_o any_o christian_a magistrate_n to_o put_v in_o execution_n any_o such_o power_n over_o a_o oecumenick_n council_n unless_o he_o be_v a_o oecumenick_n magistrate_n to_o who_o authority_n it_o can_v submit_v but_o such_o a_o magistrate_n moral_o be_v not_o like_a to_o be_v find_v e._n 18._o if_o the_o king_n and_o parliament_n or_o any_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v judge_n betwixt_o we_o and_o the_o independent_o then_o must_v the_o independent_o submit_v to_o their_o judgement_n and_o command_n if_o so_o how_o be_v it_o that_o against_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o their_o own_o tenet_n they_o erect_v so_o many_o independent_a church_n without_o their_o permission_n and_o consent_n and_o that_o the_o independent_a minister_n of_o the_o synod_n in_o print_a book_n have_v divulge_v their_o judgement_n upon_o the_o matter_n in_o debate_n in_o the_o synod_n and_o bring_v in_o so_o many_o novelty_n in_o religion_n and_o all_o this_o against_o the_o formal_a ordinance_n of_o both_o the_o house_n of_o parliament_n to_o which_o they_o pretend_v so_o much_o submission_n 19_o this_o opinion_n make_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n unnecessary_a and_o superfluous_a for_o since_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v a_o intrinsical_a power_n both_o directive_n and_o executive_a to_o govern_v the_o church_n as_o this_o m._n s._n will_v make_v we_o beseeve_v what_o need_n be_v it_o that_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n have_v any_o such_o power_n for_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n enough_o to_o govern_v both_o the_o state_n and_o the_o church_n but_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v not_o unnecessary_a or_o superfluous_a since_o god_n have_v ordain_v presbytery_n and_o some_o in_o the_o church_n to_o be_v ruler_n and_o other_o to_o be_v rule_v for_o it_o be_v a_o maxim_n both_o in_o nature_n and_o in_o grace_n that_o deus_fw-la et_fw-la natura_fw-la nihil_fw-la faciunt_fw-la frustra_fw-la ergo_fw-la the_o independent_o opinion_n whereof_o these_o absurdity_n follow_v must_v be_v false_a 20._o because_o the_o evangelist_n prophet_n pastor_n doctor_n and_o other_o christian_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n will_v never_o acknowledge_v any_o such_o authority_n in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o obey_v they_o as_o we_o see_v throughout_o all_o the_o history_n of_o the_o act_n and_o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n 21._o if_o king_n parliament_n and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v any_o internal_a directive_n imperative_a or_o executive_a power_n over_o the_o church_n either_o it_o shall_v be_v supreme_a and_o sovereign_a or_o subaltern_n if_o supreme_a or_o sovereign_n than_o we_o have_v king_n in_o the_o church_n yea_o some_o high_a office_n and_o officer_n in_o the_o church_n then_o that_o of_o the_o apostolate_a and_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o st._n paul_n 1._o cor._n 12._o rom._n 12._o eph._n 4._o if_o subaltern_a than_o the_o king_n and_o parliament_n and_o all_o magistrate_n be_v subject_a to_o some_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o be_v not_o supreme_a judge_n in_o the_o church_n 22._o if_o the_o magistrate_n have_v any_o such_o power_n either_o the_o supreme_a or_o subaltern_n magistrate_n have_v it_o but_o the_o supreme_a have_v it_o not_o as_o we_o have_v see_v nor_o the_o subaltern_n for_o what_o reason_n that_o every_o justice_n of_o peace_n yea_o be_v he_o never_o so_o ignorant_a in_o divinity_n or_o never_o so_o vicious_a in_o his_o life_n shall_v have_v power_n over_o a_o whole_a nationall_n or_o ecumenical_a synod_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a for_o he_o have_v no_o power_n over_o all_o the_o church_n that_o they_o represent_v neither_o do_v ever_o all_o the_o church_n send_v their_o commissioner_n to_o the_o synod_n upon_o any_o such_o term_n neither_o have_v it_o ever_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o any_o synod_n how_o ridiculous_a be_v it_o to_o think_v that_o every_o justice_n of_o peace_n who_o have_v not_o so_o much_o liberty_n as_o to_o enter_v in_o to_o this_o present_a synod_n shall_v notwithstanding_o rule_v it_o or_o domineer_v over_o it_o neither_o do_v you_o grant_v so_o much_o authority_n as_o i_o believe_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o your_o synod_n in_o the_o netherlands_o but_o what_o reason_n be_v it_o that_o the_o subaltern_a magistrate_n of_o one_o town_n shall_v rule_v over_o the_o synod_n rather_o than_o the_o magistrate_n of_o the_o town_n from_o whence_o be_v send_v a_o other_o commissioner_n 23._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o any_o
ecclesiastical_a matter_n even_o no_o more_o than_o to_o the_o mean_a of_o the_o people_n true_o they_o be_v much_o behold_v to_o you_o for_o your_o great_a liberality_n and_o if_o so_o ride_v on_o in_o despite_n of_o king_n and_o parliament_n to_o your_o belove_a conventicle_n neither_o can_v i_o find_v in_o these_o passage_n deut._n 7.5_o and_o 12.2_o 3._o or_o deut._n 13._o any_o such_o thing_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v the_o generality_n of_o the_o church_n or_o nation_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o be_v invest_v with_o it_o for_o god_n never_o invest_v the_o confuse_a multitude_n in_o any_o judicial_a or_o authoritative_a power_n chap._n v._o wherein_o the_o same_o conclusion_n be_v further_o prove_v by_o reason_n now_o after_o these_o testimony_n out_o of_o holy_a writ_n i_o bring_v these_o reason_n follow_v ground_v upon_o it_o and_o 1._o that_o power_n which_o the_o civil_a magitrate_v have_v in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o be_v not_o abrogate_a in_o the_o new_a may_v yet_o continue_v in_o the_o new_a or_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v have_v it_o in_o the_o new_a but_o the_o power_n to_o punish_v heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v a_o power_n which_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o be_v not_o abrogate_a in_o the_o new_a testament_n ergo_fw-la the_o power_n to_o punish_v heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v a_o such_o a_o power_n he_o may_v civil_a magistrate_n may_v have_v in_o the_o new_a and_o so_o in_o virtue_n of_o power_n which_o the_o punish_v they_o the_o major_n be_v certain_a for_o there_o be_v no_o other_o true_a way_n to_o make_v it_o not_o to_o continue_v but_o only_o the_o abrogation_n as_o for_o the_o minor_a the_o first_o part_n of_o it_o be_v certain_a as_o appear_v by_o the_o text_n of_o scripture_n already_o allege_v the_o second_o part_n may_v easy_o be_v prove_v because_o only_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n which_o contain_v the_o shadow_n of_o thing_n to_o come_v be_v abrogate_a in_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o moral_a law_n be_v not_o abrogate_a so_o far_o forth_o as_o it_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o obedience_n nor_o as_o it_o bind_v we_o thereunto_o no_o more_o be_v the_o political_a law_n in_o quality_n of_o political_a for_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n christ_n shall_v have_v overthrow_v and_o abrogate_a all_o the_o political_a law_n and_o policy_n of_o the_o world_n but_o that_o be_v false_a for_o christ_n kingdom_n be_v not_o of_o this_o world_n and_o he_o submit_v himself_o unto_o the_o political_a law_n of_o the_o jew_n yea_o unto_o that_o of_o the_o roman_n also_o establish_v among_o the_o jew_n so_o do_v paul_n and_o the_o apostle_n who_o plead_v their_o cause_n before_o heathen_a magistrate_n i_o appeal_v unto_o caesar_n say_v paul_n non_fw-la auferet_fw-la mortalia_fw-la qui_fw-la regna_fw-la that_fw-mi coelestia_fw-la 2._o yea_o if_o the_o jew_n have_v receive_v christ_n for_o their_o messiah_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o the_o political_a law_n of_o moses_n in_o quality_n of_o political_a shall_v have_v continue_v among_o they_o and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n among_o they_o shall_v have_v punish_v heretic_n schismatic_n idolater_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o old_a neither_o be_v there_o any_o reason_n wherefore_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n shall_v have_v hinder_v he_o by_o his_o political_a power_n to_o maintain_v the_o christian_a religion_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o before_o he_o do_v in_o the_o old_a 3._o and_o it_o may_v be_v further_o confirm_v because_o the_o great_a the_o favour_n be_v that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v receive_v of_o god_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n then_o in_o the_o old_a so_o much_o the_o great_a obligation_n be_v lay_v upon_o he_o by_o his_o power_n to_o maintain_v god_n cause_n and_o religion_n 4._o and_o the_o holy_a our_o covenant_n be_v and_o the_o further_a it_o surpass_v the_o old_a so_o much_o the_o great_a shall_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n care_v be_v to_o maintain_v it_o by_o his_o civil_a power_n 5._o if_o it_o be_v not_o so_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n shall_v be_v worse_o in_o the_o new_a then_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o than_o he_o maintain_v it_o by_o his_o civil_a power_n and_o by_o the_o sword_n and_o now_o he_o do_v it_o not_o nor_o yet_o have_v the_o power_n to_o do_v it_o 6._o be_v not_o this_o plain_a anabaptism_n to_o approve_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o to_o reject_v it_o in_o the_o new_a for_o as_o the_o anabaptist_n reject_v it_o whole_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n so_o do_v the_o independent_o in_o part_n yea_o in_o a_o great_a part_n viz._n in_o that_o which_o concern_v the_o defence_n of_o the_o church_n in_o punish_v heretic_n schismatic_n idolater_n etc._n etc._n 7._o he_o who_o shall_v be_v a_o nurse_n and_o a_o tutor_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n shall_v defend_v she_o by_o all_o his_o power_n but_o king_n and_o prince_n and_o good_a magistrate_n shall_v be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v see_v in_o all_o the_o example_n heretofore_o allege_v and_o in_o pharaoh_n and_o esay_n 1.49.22_o where_o it_o be_v promise_v that_o king_n shall_v be_v nurse_n of_o the_o church_n 8._o what_o if_o foreign_a prince_n will_v invade_v the_o church_n of_o god_n may_v not_o godly_a prince_n in_o such_o a_o case_n just_o defend_v it_o and_o repress_v they_o by_o the_o sword_n wherefore_o then_o may_v they_o not_o do_v the_o like_a to_o their_o own_o subject_n who_o will_v trouble_v her_o peace_n and_o by_o so_o do_v compel_v they_o to_o their_o duty_n 9_o do_v not_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n this_o in_o new_a england_n wherefore_o then_o may_v he_o not_o do_v it_o in_o old_a england_n unless_o forsooth_o the_o majestaticall_a presence_n of_o five_o or_o six_o independent_a minister_n here_o be_v capable_a to_o dazzle_v and_o discountenance_v he_o here_o whereas_o they_o receive_v all_o their_o lustre_n and_o influence_n from_o he_o there_o or_o that_o as_o monk_n and_o friar_n you_o plead_v pro_fw-la immunitate_fw-la clericorum_fw-la or_o that_o the_o ridiculous_a thunderbolt_n of_o master_n goodwin_n pretend_v judgement_n of_o god_n be_v capable_a to_o dash_v it_o all_o in_o piece_n here_o 10._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v not_o a_o sufficient_a power_n to_o punish_v idolater_n heretic_n and_o schismatic_n for_o religion_n than_o all_o the_o roman_a law_n in_o the_o code_n make_v against_o heretic_n and_o those_o of_o this_o kingdom_n make_v against_o jesuite_n monk_n and_o priest_n must_v be_v unjust_a yea_o the_o judgement_n give_v out_o against_o they_o since_o this_o parliament_n begin_v be_v unjust_a and_o if_o so_o you_o will_v do_v well_o to_o tell_v they_o of_o it_o if_o we_o believe_v these_o american_n christian_n the_o parliament_n law_n be_v little_o less_o than_o tyrannical_a 11._o that_o for_o which_o all_o 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magistrate_n be_v not_o bind_v by_o his_o office_n to_o punish_v heretic_n schismatic_n etc._n etc._n he_o be_v bind_v to_o tolerate_v they_o all_o and_o so_o to_o tolerate_v all_o independent_o all_o brownist_n anabaptist_n familist_n socinian_o etc._n etc._n yea_o some_o who_o deny_v the_o immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n that_o hold_v a_o general_a resurrection_n of_o all_o beast_n as_o well_o as_o of_o man_n yea_o of_o all_o that_o ever_o have_v be_v since_o the_o creation_n of_o the_o world_n or_o shall_v be_v to_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n peradventure_o of_o louse_n fly_n worm_n etc._n etc._n and_o so_o he_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o licence_n the_o book_n of_o such_o subject_n till_o master_n goodwin_n alius_fw-la m._n s._n resute_n they_o for_o he_o find_v no_o other_o remedy_n in_o god_n word_n but_o to_o refute_v such_o book_n if_o we_o believe_v this_o new_a
gospeller_n you_o shall_v have_v in_o a_o short_a time_n as_o many_o religion_n as_o day_n yea_o as_o hour_n in_o a_o year_n yea_o without_o all_o doubt_n i_o tremble_v to_o say_v it_o the_o lord_n preserve_v we_o from_o it_o as_o many_o god_n as_o ever_o the_o greake_n and_o remans_n have_v wherefore_o in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n take_v heed_n you_o all_o most_o honourable_a worthy_n of_o the_o two_o house_n of_o parliament_n to_o this_o most_o damnable_a tenet_n 14._o prince_n king_n and_o judge_n in_o scripture_n be_v call_v deliverer_n or_o saviour_n of_o the_o people_n because_o they_o defend_v the_o church_n from_o her_o oppressor_n judg._n 2.16_o such_o as_o be_v heretic_n schismatic_n etc._n etc._n if_o therefore_o you_o be_v our_o judge_n most_o honourable_a and_o worthy_a senator_n it_o be_v your_o part_n to_o defend_v god_n people_n the_o religion_n which_o he_o have_v establish_v in_o his_o word_n and_o to_o destroy_v oppressor_n and_o the_o enemy_n thereof_o i_o mean_v not_o their_o body_n but_o their_o oppression_n their_o heresy_n and_o schism_n 15._o master_n have_v power_n to_o put_v heretic_n and_o schismatic_n out_o of_o their_o house_n in_o case_n they_o be_v pertinacious_a ergo_fw-la princess_n and_o magistrate_n have_v the_o same_o power_n in_o the_o state_n for_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n for_o both_o viz._n not_o to_o suffer_v god_n to_o be_v offend_v so_o far_o forth_o as_o in_o we_o lie_v 16._o what_o power_n be_v juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la be_v to_o be_v exercise_v in_o all_o time_n and_o place_n according_a to_o our_o power_n but_o the_o power_n to_o punish_v heretic_n etc._n etc._n be_v juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la erge_fw-la it_o be_v to_o be_v exercise_v in_o all_o time_n and_o place_n the_o first_o proposition_n be_v certain_a for_o that_o which_o be_v juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la change_v not_o but_o be_v the_o same_o in_o all_o time_n and_o place_n because_o it_o be_v not_o ground_v in_o any_o inconstant_a or_o 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can_v be_v otherways_o preserve_v nor_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o kingdom_n which_o be_v the_o ultimate_a end_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la and_o the_o supreme_a law_n of_o the_o republic_n be_v obtain_v for_o how_o shall_v peace_n safety_n and_o unity_n be_v procure_v among_o orthodox_n subject_n but_o by_o unity_n in_o truth_n and_o how_o can_v the_o bond_n of_o unity_n be_v any_o way_n so_o soon_o and_o so_o easy_o break_v as_o by_o diversity_n of_o religion_n and_o this_o the_o ecclesiastical_a history_n full_o show_v we_o for_o what_o misery_n can_v these_o schism_n breed_v when_o the_o husband_n be_v of_o one_o religion_n and_o the_o wife_n of_o another_o the_o father_n of_o one_o and_o the_o son_n of_o another_o brethren_n and_o sister_n of_o divers_a religion_n the_o king_n of_o one_o and_o the_o subject_n of_o another_o how_o many_o family_n have_v it_o dissolve_v how_o many_o city_n have_v it_o destroy_v have_v we_o not_o example_n fresh_a and_o bleed_a before_o we_o in_o ireland_n &_o c_o it_o have_v cost_v some_o king_n their_o crown_n some_o their_o life_n and_o endanger_v other_o of_o their_o life_n and_o kingdom_n both_o yea_o what_o be_v one_o of_o the_o principal_a cause_n of_o our_o present_a division_n betwixt_o the_o king_n and_o the_o subject_n be_v not_o arminianism_n socinianism_n the_o archiepiscopall_a i_o know_v not_o what_o religion_n some_o call_v it_o popery_n some_o socinianism_n other_o arminianism_n other_o lutheranism_n other_o some_o mixture_n of_o religion_n not_o much_o unlike_a to_o samaritanism_n but_o be_v it_o what_o it_o will_v diversity_n of_o religion_n and_o not_o punish_v of_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v the_o principal_a cause_n of_o all_o these_o our_o misery_n and_o confusion_n 21._o the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v to_o punish_v such_o as_o marry_v with_o those_o of_o a_o contrary_a religion_n and_o that_o because_o they_o be_v of_o contrary_a religion_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o text_n of_o scripture_n already_o allege_v deut._n 7.2.3_o how_o much_o more_o those_o who_o be_v of_o contrary_a religion_n nam_fw-la propter_fw-la quod_fw-la unumquodque_fw-la tale_n id_fw-la magis_fw-la tale_n for_o it_o be_v a_o great_a sin_n to_o be_v a_o idolater_n or_o a_o heretic_n then_o to_o be_v marry_v to_o they_o 22._o those_o with_o who_o we_o can_v enter_v into_o covenant_n can_v be_v tolerate_v among_o we_o but_o must_v be_v at_o least_o exile_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n for_o to_o live_v among_o we_o they_o must_v at_o least_o enter_v into_o covenant_n with_o we_o for_o a_o offensive_a and_o defensive_a war_n against_o foreign_a enemy_n but_o with_o idolater_n heretic_n etc._n etc._n we_o can_v enter_v into_o covenant_n deut._n 7.2_o so_o esdras_n and_o nehemiah_n above_o quote_v ergo_fw-la 23._o because_o god_n have_v promise_v to_o destroy_v our_o enemy_n if_o we_o destroy_v he_o wherefore_o rather_o than_o god_n shall_v not_o destroy_v we_o be_v it_o not_o policy_n to_o labour_v the_o destruction_n of_o he_o 24._o the_o man_n who_o will_v not_o hearken_v to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v punish_v he_o but_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v the_o man_n who_o will_v not_o hearken_v unto_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n ergo_fw-la the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v punish_v they_o the_o first_o proposition_n be_v clear_a the_o man_n that_o will_v do_v presumptuous_o and_o will_v not_o hearken_v unto_o the_o priest_n or_o unto_o the_o judge_n even_o that_o man_n shall_v die_v deut._n 12.12_o neither_o know_v i_o what_o can_v be_v answer_v save_v only_o that_o that_o must_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n but_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n for_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n viz._n 1
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