Selected quad for the lemma: religion_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
religion_n	civil_a	magistrate_n	matter_n	3,433	5	6.0251	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85414	A short ansvver to A. S. alias Adam Stewart's second part of his overgrown duply to the two brethren. Together with certaine difficult questions easily answered; all which A. Stewart is desired to consider of, without replying, unlesse it be to purpose. A. Steuart [sic] in his second part of his duply to the two brethren. page 166. The civill magistrate cannot bee orthodox, and tollerate a new sect, (hee meanes independencie, and may as well say Presbytery) unles hee tollerate us to beleeve that hee is either corrupted by moneys, or some other waye, so to doe.	Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.	1644 (1644)	Wing G1201; Thomason E27_6; ESTC R8324	30,557	41

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subject_n be_v free_v from_o their_o obedience_n to_o they_o and_o the_o people_n which_o have_v all_o power_n in_o themselves_o original_o become_v the_o supreme_a magistrate_n of_o all_o be_v bind_v to_o cut_v they_o off_o from_o the_o civil_a state_n whether_o they_o be_v king_n or_o parliament_n but_o let_v we_o beware_v of_o such_o infernal_a tenet_n according_a unto_o which_o there_o will_v be_v find_v no_o safety_n neither_o for_o prince_n nor_o parliament_n but_o each_o of_o they_o and_o every_o body_n else_o all_o alike_o be_v force_v to_o be_v of_o whatsoever_o religion_n shall_v by_o most_o voice_n in_o a_o consistory_n or_o synod_n be_v think_v to_o be_v the_o true_a one_o which_o be_v too_o great_a a_o hazard_n or_o else_o be_v deem_v to_o do_v presumptuous_o and_o so_o lose_v their_o life_n but_o ch._n 3._o you_o say_v if_o the_o church_n be_v corrupt_a and_o the_o church_n officer_n negligent_a in_o their_o charge_n and_o will_v not_o reform_v it_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v command_v yea_o compel_v they_o to_o do_v it_o or_o if_o they_o will_v not_o he_o may_v extraordinary_o do_v it_o himself_o good_a now_o who_o shall_v here_o reach_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n whether_o the_o church_n be_v corruptor_n no_o at_o what_o time_n the_o church_n officer_n be_v negligent_a in_o their_o charge_n not_o willing_a to_o reform_v and_o when_o they_o oppress_v any_o man_n with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n if_o you_o say_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n himself_o may_v see_v it_o by_o bring_v they_o to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n do_v you_o not_o contradict_v yourself_o in_o page_n 30._o and_o elsewhere_o say_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v learn_v god_n will_n by_o the_o minister_n who_o be_v god_n ambassador_n send_v unto_o he_o be_v it_o possible_a to_o reconcile_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n unto_o the_o spiritual_a office-bearer_n in_o such_o a_o case_n as_o this_o nay_o be_v it_o ever_o possible_a for_o as_o to_o make_v his_o atonement_n with_o this_o present_a assembly_n for_o frustrate_v so_o many_o year_n endeavour_n as_o they_o be_v like_a to_o make_v of_o it_o in_o say_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n not_o to_o admit_v the_o true_a church_n to_o reject_v it_o yea_o when_o it_o be_v receive_v or_o approve_v and_o confirm_v by_o his_o secular_a and_o civil_a authority_n to_o reject_v it_o and_o exile_v it_o ibid_n which_o yet_o be_v true_a enough_o but_o do_v you_o think_v the_o synod_n will_v have_v take_v so_o great_a pain_n and_o our_o scotch_a brethren_n have_v sacrifice_v so_o much_o of_o their_o own_o blood_n if_o even_o at_o best_a it_o shall_v have_v be_v so_o hazardous_a whether_o ever_o their_o presbyterian_a discipline_n shall_v be_v receive_v or_o no_o or_o when_o receive_v rest_n in_o ●uch_n daily_a danger_n to_o be_v turn_v out_o again_o with_o shame_n be_v it_o not_o a_o ea●●y_n matter_n for_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o say_v these_o presbyterian_a church_n be_v grow_v corrupt_a their_o way_n of_o government_n be_v never_o apostolical_a and_o good_a they_o tyrannize_v over_o their_o brethren_n instead_o of_o feed_v they_o aim_v at_o no_o reformation_n so_o much_o as_o to_o get_v themselves_o into_o the_o fat_a benefice_n and_o so_o banish_v they_o into_o america_n or_o some_o worse_a place_n woe_n will_v it_o have_v be_v for_o any_o independent_a to_o have_v be_v know_v to_o publish_v such_o theology_n such_o heresy_n page_n 47._o you_o say_v how_o be_v it_o the_o church_n compel_v man_n not_o by_o external_a vi●l●●ce_n to_o subscribe_v contrary_a to_o their_o judgement_n yet_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n after_o sufficient_a conviction_n may_v compel_v you_o to_o subscribe_v or_o to_o be_v go_v etc._n etc._n the_o church_n you_o say_v compel_v not_o external_o but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v but_o whence_o have_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n this_o power_n in_o church_n affair_n or_o why_o may_v not_o the_o church_n use_v the_o civil_a external_a arm_n in_o church_n matter_n rather_o than_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n shall_v e●terpose_v with_o his_o own_o weapon_n in_o church_n affair_n be_v it_o not_o all_o one_o think_v we_o in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n for_o churchman_n church_n officer_n themselves_o to_o hang_v such_o a_o one_o who_o they_o deem_v a_o heretic_n as_o to_o set_v a_o cross_a a_o gallows_n a_o mark_n upon_o he_o out_o of_o a_o tacit_a compact_n with_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o hang_v he_o whensoever_o or_o wheresoever_o he_o shall_v meet_v with_o he_o if_o a_o combination_n of_o any_o people_n shall_v thus_o compass_v the_o death_n of_o any_o man_n will_v they_o not_o all_o equal_o be_v find_v guilty_a shall_v a_o politic_a reservation_n of_o popish_a canon_n or_o civil_a law_n to_o keep_v the_o clergy_n from_o the_o people_n odium_fw-la thus_o delud_o all_o christian_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n may_v churchman_n connive_v approve_v teach_v and_o applaud_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o punish_v whosoever_o they_o suppose_v to_o be_v heretic_n by_o imprisonment_n or_o death_n and_o not_o as_o innocent_o as_o christianly_o be_v executioner_n themselves_o perhaps_o they_o will_v say_v they_o have_v no_o authority_n nor_o call_v to_o become_v executioner_n to_o banish_v imprison_v or_o put_v to_o death_n and_o yet_o they_o have_v as_o good_a a_o call_n as_o to_o approve_v it_o in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n but_o this_o be_v not_o the_o point_n we_o stand_v upon_o what_o if_o a_o town_n or_o principality_n be_v give_v unto_o a_o company_n of_o presbyterian_a clergyman_n i_o can_v think_v they_o will_v refuse_v it_o will_v they_o in_o such_o a_o case_n imprison_v banish_v or_o cause_n heretic_n to_o die_v in_o this_o their_o principality_n if_o they_o say_v as_o the_o pope_n in_o the_o same_o case_n as_o pilate_n when_o he_o crucify_v jesus_n and_o bishop_n b●nner_n whilst_o he_o make_v so_o many_o protestane_n martyr_n they_o may_v not_o wash_v their_o hand_n in_o the_o blood_n of_o heretic_n i_o reply_v neither_o in_o the_o blood_n of_o civil_a delinquent_n by_o the_o self_n same_o principle_n of_o they_o if_o they_o refer_v such_o judicature_n and_o execute_n of_o spiritual_a or_o civil_a offender_n unto_o layman_n to_o be_v their_o deputy_n within_o this_o principality_n of_o they_o i_o answer_v that_o this_o be_v but_o a_o popish_a eva●ion_n and_o such_o blood_n be_v shed_v by_o their_o authority_n or_o approbation_n must_v be_v account_v for_o by_o they_o as_o if_o they_o themselves_o have_v sit_v upon_o the_o bench_n pass_v sentence_n and_o be_v executioner_n if_o heretic_n be_v punishable_a by_o death_n as_o murderer_n and_o traitor_n i_o know_v no_o cause_n but_o that_o clergyman_n if_o need_n be_v may_v as_o actual_o assist_v at_o execution_n of_o the_o one_o as_o of_o the_o other_o but_o if_o any_o man_n shall_v expect_v my_o opinion_n of_o what_o these_o presbyterian_a clergyman_n may_v do_v upon_o the_o proffer_n of_o such_o a_o principality_n i_o confess_v the_o refusal_n thereof_o may_v seem_v a_o very_a great_a degree_n of_o evangelical_a perfection_n and_o the_o excessive_a care_n and_o travel_v which_o be_v require_v to_o govern_v it_o though_o by_o a_o substitute_n be_v altogether_o inconsistent_a with_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o gospel_n but_o to_o interpret_v the_o pass_a sentence_n and_o execution_n of_o death_n by_o such_o deputy_n or_o their_o officer_n to_o be_v so_o entire_o the_o peculiar_a act_n of_o such_o deputy_n only_o as_o that_o the_o say_a presbyterian_a clergyman_n from_o who_o the_o jurisdiction_n be_v derive_v have_v not_o even_o as_o great_a a_o share_n therein_o as_o if_o they_o have_v be_v present_a upon_o the_o bench_n be_v a_o mere_a popish_a invention_n and_o delusion_n our_o saviour_n and_o his_o apostle_n do_v neither_o tell_v the_o magistrate_n that_o then_o be_v that_o it_o concern_v they_o so_o much_o more_o to_o become_v christian_n that_o they_o may_v compel_v their_o subject_n to_o be_v so_o too_o nor_o yet_o give_v the_o christian_n instruction_n or_o leave_v upon_o record_n any_o such_o order_n or_o warrant_v that_o when_o ever_o the_o magistrate_n do_v become_v christian_n they_o may_v constrain_v the_o people_n to_o christianity_n etc._n etc._n but_o in_o the_o same_o pag._n 74._o you_o grant_v these_o spiritual_a delinquent_n must_v be_v first_o sufficient_o convince_v allege_v that_o after_o a_o sufficient_a conviction_n it_o be_v moral_o and_o shall_v be_v suppose_v that_o they_o know_v the_o truth_n or_o shall_v know_v it_o or_o if_o they_o know_v it_o not_o that_o nothing_o can_v have_v bl●dered_v they_o but_o their_o own_o pertinaciousnes_n which_o can_v excuse_v but_o rather_o aggravate_v their_o ●in_n but_o what_o i_o pray_v or_o how_o much_o do_v you_o call_v sufficient_o convince_v how_o can_v any_o one_o do_v otherwise_o than_o yield_v unto_o whatsoever_o you_o have_v convince_v he_o of_o