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decrââ_n that_o among_o man_n some_o be_v bear_v ãâã_d ãâã_d damnation_n from_o their_o mother_n womb_n who_o by_o their_o destruction_n may_v glorify_v god_n arminius_n this_o doctrine_n be_v of_o so_o horrid_a a_o nature_n as_o that_o i_o can_v hardly_o be_v induce_v to_o believe_v that_o any_o good_a christian_a will_v ever_o maintain_v it_o in_o so_o full_a a_o manner_n as_o it_o be_v by_o you_o literal_o deliver_v but_o rather_o they_o teach_v it_o with_o some_o qualification_n and_o mitigation_n as_o perhaps_o their_o meaning_n be_v that_o god_n do_v ordain_v some_o to_o destruction_n by_o reason_n of_o his_o foresight_n of_o their_o wicked_a life_n and_o also_o that_o christ_n do_v die_v for_o the_o reprobate_n non_fw-la efficaciter_fw-la but_o sufficienter_fw-la not_o effectual_o whereby_o the_o reprobate_n shall_v actual_o partake_v of_o the_o benefit_n of_o his_o death_n if_o so_o themselves_o will_v but_o only_o sufficient_o that_o be_v that_o his_o death_n be_v of_o sufficient_a value_n in_o itself_o to_o save_v the_o reprobate_n enthusiastus_n i_o will_v to_o god_n arminius_n i_o can_v thus_o charitable_o and_o withal_o true_o apologise_v for_o my_o own_o brethren_n as_o you_o though_o their_o adversary_n herein_o do_v now_o in_o their_o behalf_n but_o the_o matter_n stand_v so_o as_o that_o their_o own_o ãâã_d do_v whole_o preclude_v they_o of_o all_o such_o favourable_a construction_n for_o first_o to_o your_o firster_n word_n touch_v god_n foresight_n of_o the_o wicked_a life_n of_o the_o reprobate_n one_o of_o they_o in_o express_a wordâ_n thus_o write_v 554._o write_v d._n willet_n in_o synop_n p._n 554._o god_n have_v ordain_v ãâã_d to_o be_v vessel_n of_o wrath_n without_o any_o respect_n ãâã_d to_o their_o work_n either_o good_a or_o bad_a and_o another_o as_o plain_o teach_v thus_o say_v 12._o say_v peter_n martyr_n in_o his_o common_a place_n part_n 3._o pa._n 12._o sin_n foresee_v be_v not_o the_o causâ_n of_o reprobation_n and_o as_o touch_v the_o distinction_n by_o you_o deliver_v of_o christ_n suffer_v sufâcienter_a not_o efficaciter_fw-la some_o of_o our_o most_o learned_a brethren_n i_o relate_v it_o wiââ_n grief_n call_v this_o distinction_n 221._o distinction_n beza_n in_o respon_n ad_fw-la act._n colloq_fw-la mouâisbelg_n part_n altera_fw-la pag._n 217._o &_o 221._o a_o meâââtergiversation_n and_o impertinent_a to_o the_o point_n in_o question_n and_o therefore_o the_o same_o learned_a man_n restrain_v the_o death_n of_o christ_n in_o these_o word_n ad_fw-la solos_fw-la electos_fw-la to_o wiââ_n that_o his_o death_n be_v only_o for_o the_o eleââ_n yea_o they_o proceed_v so_o far_o herein_o as_o that_o they_o peremptory_o maintain_v pardoâ_n i_o in_o relate_v their_o own_o word_n that_o 1st_a that_o beza_n in_o respon_n ad_fw-la act._n montisbelg_n part_n altera_fw-la in_o praefat._n pag._n 11._o &_o 1st_a many_o infant_n mean_v of_o believe_a parent_n though_o baptize_v be_v damn_a ãâã_d the_o secret_a decree_n of_o god_n arminius_n you_o have_v sufficient_o enough_o lay_v open_a your_o own_o brethren_n blemish_n and_o scar_n so_o full_a hold_n it_o seem_v those_o word_n of_o austin_n have_v take_v of_o you_o 24._o you_o contrâ_n donatist_n post_fw-la col._n â_o 24._o truth_n be_v more_o forcible_a to_o wring_v out_o confession_n than_o any_o rack_n or_o torment_n but_o now_o if_o it_o please_v you_o you_o may_v come_v to_o your_o proof_n of_o scripture_n for_o this_o their_o doctrine_n only_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o by_o the_o way_n that_o the_o more_o direful_a and_o execrable_a any_o doctrine_n be_v the_o further_a off_o it_o be_v from_o receive_v any_o fortify_v from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v deliver_v in_o its_o true_a and_o native_a sense_n or_o construction_n enthusiastus_n i_o full_o grant_v so_o much_o with_o you_o nevertheless_o for_o my_o own_o further_o satisfy_v since_o unresolued_a doubt_n secret_o beat_v upon_o the_o understanding_n i_o will_v relate_v the_o chief_a text_n urge_v by_o my_o brethren_n in_o defence_n of_o this_o their_o doctrine_n first_o then_o they_o insist_v in_o those_o word_n â_o word_n 1._o pet._n â_o christ_n â_o christ_n object_v by_o beza_n in_o annot._n in_o nou._n testam_fw-la in_o 1._o petr._n c._n â_o be_v the_o chief_a corner_n stone_n etc._n etc._n unto_o you_o which_o believe_v precious_a but_o unto_o they_o that_o believe_v not_o etc._n etc._n a_o stone_n of_o stumble_v and_o a_o rock_n of_o offence_n to_o they_o which_o stumble_v at_o the_o word_n be_v disobedient_a unto_o which_o thing_n they_o be_v ordain_v from_o hence_o now_o they_o infer_v that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o their_o disobedience_n to_o the_o which_o disobedieâââ_n they_o be_v by_o god_n ordain_v and_o consequent_o ordain_v to_o damnation_n the_o fruit_n of_o their_o disobedience_n arminius_n the_o difficulty_n of_o this_o text_n restâââ_n in_o those_o last_o word_n unto_o which_o thing_n mean_v in_o your_o brethren_n sense_n disobedience_n and_o stumble_v at_o the_o word_n ãâã_d be_v ordain_v but_o here_o i_o justify_v ãâã_d translation_n be_v not_o pure_a and_o sincâââ_n since_o the_o word_n viz_o they_o be_v ordain_v have_v true_a reference_n unto_o those_o formâ_n word_n uz_o which_o believe_v and_o so_o thâ_n true_a meaning_n of_o this_o place_n be_v that_o tââ_n be_v ordain_v to_o believe_v and_o thus_o yââ_n see_v this_o place_n be_v true_o urge_v make_v direct_o against_o your_o brethren_n now_o i_o justify_v this_o my_o answer_n froâ_n the_o greek_a text_n the_o word_n be_v thââ_n ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d nec_fw-la credunt_fw-la ãâã_d quo_fw-la &_o positi_fw-la sunt_fw-la the_o sense_n thereof_o be_v that_o ãâã_d be_v ordain_v to_o believe_v but_o do_v not_o ãâã_d point_n be_v so_o evident_a that_o diverse_a learned_a protestant_n do_v give_v the_o same_o construction_n thereof_o with_o i_o for_o snecanus_fw-la recite_v the_o text_n in_o these_o word_n 701._o word_n in_o method_n descript_n pag._n 701._o nââ_n credunt_fw-la in_fw-la quod_fw-la positi_fw-la fuerant_fw-la neither_o do_v they_o believe_v unto_o which_o they_o be_v ordain_v thus_o answer_v refertur_fw-la propriè_fw-la à _fw-la doctissimis_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o last_o clause_n be_v proper_o refer_v by_o most_o learned_a and_o orthodoxal_a man_n yea_o even_o by_o caluin_n himself_o to_o the_o jew_n who_o be_v place_v to_o believe_v and_o the_o very_a same_o construction_n thereof_o be_v give_v by_o 154._o by_o in_o defence_n translat_fw-la pag._n 152._o 153._o 154._o castalio_n so_o little_o do_v this_o text_n advantage_n your_o brethren_n but_o rather_o disadvantage_n they_o and_o yet_o your_o brethren_n integrity_n and_o candour_n be_v want_v in_o their_o translate_n the_o greek_a word_n ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d be_v ordain_v the_o word_n true_o signify_v only_a positi_fw-la erant_fw-la but_o proceed_v to_o other_o enthusiastus_n the_o next_o shall_v be_v that_o passage_n 16._o passage_n proverb_n apeâ_n 16._o the_o lord_n 3._o lord_n object_v by_o d._n ful_o against_o the_o rhem._n testam_fw-la in_o rom._n 9_o fol._n 2_o 3._o make_v all_o thing_n for_o himself_o even_o the_o wicked_a for_o the_o day_n of_o evil_a from_o whence_o my_o brethren_n deduce_v that_o god_n make_v or_o creat_v wicked_a man_n to_o eternity_n of_o damnation_n which_o may_v be_v true_o call_v the_o day_n of_o evil_a arminius_n do_v your_o brethren_n ârge_v this_o ãâã_d to_o prove_v that_o god_n make_v ãâã_d man_n to_o be_v wicked_a if_o so_o how_o thââ_n ãâã_d they_o free_a god_n from_o be_v the_o ãâã_d of_o sin_n a_o paradox_n or_o rather_o a_o blaspheme_v my_o 524_o my_o as_o d._n fulk_n in_o his_o defence_n of_o the_o english_a translation_n pag._n 500_o d._n whitak_n contra_fw-la duraeum_n 1._o 8._o pag._n 524_o beside_o that_o diverse_a of_o themselves_o shame_n at_o least_o in_o word_n to_o be_v repute_v patroness_n thereof_o direct_o repugnant_a to_o other_o text_n of_o scripture_n ãâã_d where_o 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âf_n he_o since_o in_o this_o late_a sense_n god_n ââould_v be_v the_o cause_n and_o author_n of_o his_o ââckednes_n whereas_o his_o wickedness_n be_v ââom_n himself_o and_o so_o if_o he_o be_v wicked_a ââen_o god_n ordain_v he_o to_o the_o day_n of_o evil_a that_o be_v to_o the_o day_n of_o punishment_n ând_v this_o he_o do_v for_o himself_o that_o be_v for_o ãâã_d own_o glory_n the_o like_a say_n by_o anaââgy_n may_v be_v use_v of_o prince_n who_o may_v ãâã_d a_o restrain_v sense_n be_v say_v to_o ordain_v malefactor_n to_o punishment_n ãâã_d yet_o the_o prince_n be_v neither_o willing_a âor_a author_n of_o their_o subject_n offence_n this_o our_o exposition_n of_o the_o former_a place_n ãâã_d so_o natural_a and_o genuine_a as_o that_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v for_o true_a by_o 404._o by_o in_o his_o decade_n in_o english_a p._n 404._o builinger_n 438._o builinger_n in_o method_n theolog._n pag._n 438._o hiperius_n and_o philp_n 1â7_n philp_n ân_v his_o disput_n theolog._n de_fw-fr providenâia_n ãâã_d sect_n 1â7_n marbachius_n all_o learned_a protestant_n enthusiastus_n what_o answer_v arminius_n can_v be_v give_v to_o that_o at_o least_o seem_a pregnant_a text_n 9_o text_n rom._n 9_o have_v not_o the_o potter_n 554._o potter_n m._n willeâ_n iâ_n synop_n 554._o power_n over_o the_o clay_n even_o of_o the_o same_o lump_n to_o make_v one_o vessel_n unto_o honour_n and_o another_o unto_o dishonour_n what_o if_o god_n witâing_v to_o show_v his_o wrath_n etc._n etc._n suffer_v with_o long_a patience_n the_o vessel_n of_o wrath_n ordain_v to_o ãâ¦ã_o now_o this_o place_n seem_v to_o ââict_v ãâã_d god_n even_o without_o any_o provision_n ãâ¦ã_o ordain_v some_o man_n be_v ãâã_d the_o mass_n or_o lump_n of_o mankind_n ãâã_d damnation_n arminius_n i_o will_v be_v partly_o silent_a herein_o &_o aâstin_n with_o some_o learned_a brethren_n of_o ãâã_d own_o &_o the_o apostle_n himself_o shall_v ãâã_d be_v thereto_o for_o i_o and_o first_o i_o ãâã_d austin_n to_o paraphrase_n this_o text_n in_o ãâã_d word_n sixtum_fw-la word_n epist_n 100l_n ad_fw-la paulinum_n &_o epist_n 105._o ad_fw-la sixtum_fw-la haec_fw-la massa_n etc._n etc._n if_o this_o ãâã_d he_o mean_v the_o mass_n or_o lumpââ_n whereof_o the_o apostle_n speak_v be_v ãâã_d indifferent_a that_o as_o it_o deserve_v no_o good_a ãâã_d so_o it_o deserve_v no_o evil_a not_o without_o cause_n iâ_n may_v be_v think_v iniquity_n that_o thereof_o there_o shall_v be_v make_v certain_a vessel_n to_o dishonour_n but_o see_a that_o by_o the_o freewill_n of_o the_o first_o man_n the_o whole_a mass_n do_v become_v guilty_a of_o condemnation_n it_o be_v without_o doubt_n of_o god_n mercy_n that_o thereof_o be_v make_v certain_a vessel_n to_o honour_n etc._n etc._n and_o of_o his_o judgââââ_n mean_v his_o justice_n that_o other_o ãâã_d be_v make_v to_o dishonour_n thus_o far_o austin_n according_a to_o who_o judgement_n we_o ãâã_d that_o it_o be_v not_o god_n absolute_a ãâã_d without_o respect_n to_o man_n wickedness_n o'erseen_v but_o it_o be_v sin_n which_o be_v the_o ââuse_n why_o some_o vessel_n be_v make_v to_o âââhonour_n or_o damnation_n now_o hyperius_n a_o learned_a proteââant_n shall_v further_o answer_v for_o i_o âho_fw-mi say_v that_o 438._o that_o in_o method_n theolog._n l._n 2._o pag._n 438._o the_o long_a patience_n mention_v in_o the_o text_n wherewith_o god_n suffer_v the_o vessel_n of_o wrath_n demonstrate_v that_o they_o be_v create_v good_a and_o afterward_o ãâã_d come_v evil_a of_o their_o proper_a will_n they_o be_v âade_v vessel_n of_o wrath_n because_o voluntary_o they_o be_v to_o become_v evil_a thus_o hiperius_n so_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o their_o creation_n of_o be_v vessel_n be_v of_o god_n but_o be_v vessel_n of_o wrath_n be_v from_o their_o sin_n foresee_v i_o will_v conclude_v this_o point_n even_o with_o the_o apostle_n explanation_n of_o this_o place_n who_o express_o say_v that_o tim._n that_o 2._o tim._n if_o a_o vessel_n unto_o dishonour_n shall_v 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