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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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of_o baptism_n chap._n 18._o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o i●_n he_o do_v allow_v it_o as_o mr_n t._n add_v it_o be_v only_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n as_o may_v appear_v by_o his_o word_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr animâ_fw-la chap._n 39_o we_o reply_v to_o this_o 1._o that_o both_o these_o place_n of_o tertullian_n be_v before_o allege_v translate_v and_o discuss_v animadver_n animadver_n to_o be_v for_o infant-baptisme_n chap._n 13._o of_o our_o animadvers_fw-la at_o the_o word_n tertul_n in_o the_o margin_n which_o we_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o peruse_v over_o again_o where_o you_o may_v see_v that_o tertullian_n have_v nothing_o of_o allowance_n of_o infant-baptisme_n only_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n but_o if_o the_o place_n be_v well_o weigh_v he_o say_v that_o which_o he_o say_v for_o infant-baptisme_n without_o any_o such_o limitation_n which_o infant-baptisme_n among_o other_o passage_n be_v assert_v by_o tertullian_n in_o those_o word_n that_o the_o child_n 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vehement_o which_o be_v say_v mr_n t._n as_o all_o know_v that_o read_v his_o work_n the_o opinion_n he_o have_v that_o without_o baptism_n infant_n must_v be_v damn_v by_o reason_n of_o original_a sin_n which_o be_v not_o take_v away_o but_o by_o baptism_n and_o for_o this_o quote_v several_a place_n out_o of_o augustine_n t._n 7._o de_fw-fr nat._n &_o gra._n c._n 8._o t._n 2._o ep._n 28._o for_o the_o distinction_n of_o the_o chatechise_v and_o the_o baptise_a and_o that_o the_o use_n of_o catechise_n afore_o baptism_n still_o continue_v and_o a_o great_a while_n after_o he_o mean_v augustine_n time_n all_o this_o do_v not_o overthrow_v the_o common_a tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o that_o antiquity_n and_o upward_o as_o well_o as_o downward_o in_o baptise_v christian_n child_n the_o catechise_n be_v for_o the_o child_n of_o those_o who_o parent_n be_v not_o suppose_v christian_n as_o before_o we_o abundant_o show_v out_o of_o tertullian_n and_o junius_n upon_o he_o and_o out_o of_o pareus_n calvin_n bullinger_n marlorat_n etc._n etc._n on_o heb._n 6.2_o and_o this_o be_v practise_v in_o all_o protestant_a kingdom_n to_o this_o day_n notwithstanding_o the_o constancy_n of_o baptise_v infant_n if_o there_o be_v not_o use_v a_o right_a judgement_n to_o determine_v who_o be_v christian-parent_n that_o be_v the_o fault_n of_o man_n not_o of_o the_o ordinance_n or_o its_o institution_n if_o i_o shall_v go_v about_o to_o answer_v that_o quotation_n of_o augustine_n with_o other_o out_o of_o augustine_n i_o may_v abound_v with_o his_o sentence_n for_o infant_n baptism_n as_o his_o collation_n of_o baptism_n and_o circumcision_n in_o many_o place_n of_o his_o work_n his_o collation_n of_o baptism_n with_o the_o flood_n the_o cloud_n and_o red_a sea_n divers_a time_n his_o say_n that_o baptism_n be_v not_o to_o be_v defer_v that_o repentance_n be_v not_o absolute_o universal_o necessary_a before_o baptism_n his_o several_a tract_n of_o the_o baptism_n of_o little_a one_o etc._n etc._n which_o we_o need_v not_o quote_v to_o they_o that_o be_v acquaint_v with_o augustine_n all_o which_o show_v in_o what_o sense_n augustine_n speak_v of_o catechise_n before_o baptism_n viz._n of_o those_o who_o parent_n be_v not_o christian_n if_o with_o nazianzen_n he_o have_v hold_v that_o little_a child_n of_o three_o year_n old_a be_v chatechise_v to_o answer_v that_o they_o understand_v not_o may_v be_v baptize_v what_o be_v that_o more_o to_o the_o purpose_n then_o to_o baptize_v they_o while_o infant_n we_o must_v understand_v that_o in_o most_o of_o the_o father_n time_n there_o be_v no_o whole_a kingdom_n or_o for_o the_o most_o part_n convert_v or_o religious_a worship_n set_v up_o by_o allowance_n of_o the_o state_n but_o the_o general_a of_o they_o be_v heathen_n therefore_o of_o necessity_n there_o must_v have_v be_v some_o catechise_n afore_o the_o baptise_v of_o some_o and_o for_o baptise_v infant_n for_o bodily_a health_n etc._n etc._n name_v but_o not_o quote_v out_o of_o augustine_n as_o his_o opinion_n we_o can_v answer_v it_o out_o of_o augustine_n who_o say_v 55._o t._n 7._o col._n 84._o c._n edit_n basil_n ibid._n col._n 55._o that_o baptism_n do_v not_o profit_n all_o that_o baptism_n profit_v not_o without_o charity_n that_o one_o baptism_n by_o faith_n purge_v and_o that_o the_o virtue_n of_o baptism_n be_v not_o in_o the_o water_n but_o in_o the_o word_n which_o we_o forbear_v to_o quote_v and_o translate_v at_o large_a as_o have_v too_o much_o if_o it_o may_v have_v be_v prevent_v trouble_v the_o reader_n with_o quotation_n already_o they_o be_v obvious_a to_o he_o that_o read_v augustine_n but_o mr_n t._n 8._o examen_fw-la §._o 8._o object_n that_o catechise_n afore_o baptism_n continue_v in_o augustine_n time_n and_o after_o a_o great_a while_n in_o asia_n because_o peter_n cluniacensis_fw-la say_v that_o there_o have_v be_v none_o but_o infant_n baptize_v in_o all_o europe_n for_o 300_o or_o 500_o year_n afore_o his_o time_n but_o do_v not_o deny_v the_o baptism_n of_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n in_o asia_n we_o answer_v first_o touch_v cluniacensis_fw-la we_o have_v say_v abundance_n afore_o second_o animadver_n animadver_n that_o this_o argument_n do_v no_o more_o determine_v any_o thing_n about_o asia_n then_o about_o africa_n which_o be_v mr_n t._n his_o qu._n in_o hand_n and_o for_o africa_n we_o have_v hear_v abundant_o out_o of_o all_o sort_n of_o antiquity_n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n three_o cluniacensis_fw-la profess_v himself_o a_o latin_a ignorant_a of_o greek_a and_o other_o tongue_n and_o therefore_o do_v not_o determine_v here_o any_o thing_n concern_v place_n out_o of_o europe_n but_o be_v silent_a concern_v they_o four_o touch_v baptism_n of_o infant_n in_o asia_n we_o hear_v afore_o to_o that_o mr_n t._n object_n augustine_n and_o ambrose_n his_o judgement_n for_o infant-baptisme_n as_o put_v too_o much_o in_o the_o ordinance_n as_o conduce_v to_o salvation_n
most_o ordinance_n as_o to_o preach_v pray_v sacrament_n fast_v thanksgiving_n yet_o we_o leave_v the_o error_n doubt_v not_o of_o the_o institution_n and_o administration_n of_o those_o ordinance_n according_a thereunto_o 5._o mr_n t._n think_v that_o adult-baptisme_n may_v be_v sever_v from_o to_o use_v his_o own_o word_n 13._o word_n exercitat_fw-la §._o 17._o p._n 29._o l._n 13._o the_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n of_o former_a anabaptist_n therefore_o may_v infant_n baptism_n be_v sever_v from_o some_o error_n that_o have_v accompany_v it_o 6._o if_o the_o error_n accompany_v infant-baptisme_n have_v make_v it_o doubtful_a to_o mr_n t._n so_o have_v the_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o former_a age_n which_o mr_n t._n have_v confess_v make_v their_o baptism_n doubtful_a to_o we_o mr_n t._n add_v in_o his_o 17._o 17._o exercitat_fw-la §._o 17._o sect_n of_o his_o exercitation_n towards_o the_o close_a of_o his_o 5._o argument_n that_o of_o old_a 1._o other_o invention_n of_o man_n under_o the_o name_n of_o apostolical_a tradition_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 2._o a_o wrong_n like_v of_o judaisme_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 3._o the_o use_v of_o it_o as_o a_o main_a argument_n against_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 4._o the_o mere_a authority_n of_o the_o council_n under_o cyprian_a the_o council_n of_o milevis_n augustine_n and_o jerome_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n to_o the_o 1._o we_o shall_v answer_v in_o mr_n t._n his_o next_o argument_n in_o number_n the_o 6._o which_o be_v touch_v humane_a invention_n 2._o we_o have_v answer_v already_o indiscuss_v of_o the_o aforesaid_a antiquity_n 3._o we_o say_v now_o that_o we_o have_v produce_v sufficient_a proof_n afore_o out_o of_o approve_a antiquity_n that_o the_o tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o infant_n baptism_n be_v common_a in_o the_o church_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n hundred_o of_o year_n before_o pelagianisme_n be_v know_v in_o the_o world_n see_v before_o all_o our_o 13._o chap._n and_o chap._n 14._o from_o the_o begin_n thereof_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o quotation_n of_o ambrose_n p._n 148._o 4._o we_o have_v answer_v afore_o chap._n 14._o last_o mr_n t._n add_v these_o word_n as_o the_o close_a of_o his_o five_o argument_n and_o section_n of_o his_o exercit._n 17._o exercita●_n §._o 17._o so_o in_o this_o last_o age_n say_v he_o some_o modern_a man_n seem_v to_o embrace_v this_o tenet_n of_o infant_n baptism_n out_o of_o horror_n of_o mind_n lest_o they_o shall_v go_v headlong_o into_o the_o pernicious_a error_n of_o former_a anabaptist_n and_o their_o mad_a fury_n or_o 2_o lest_o they_o shall_v seem_v to_o desert_n the_o lead_a man_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n or_o 3_o move_v trouble_n in_o the_o church_n rather_o then_o from_o perspicuous_a foundation_n in_o the_o scripture_n which_o they_o will_v think_v that_o i_o have_v not_o say_v as_o one_o that_o dream_n who_o shall_v read_v what_o robert_n lord_n brooke_n have_v in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o treatise_n concern_v episcopacy_n daniel_n rogers_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o baptism_n and_o other_o elsewhere_o we_o answer_v to_o the_o 1_o particular_a thus_o that_o the_o modern_a man_n can_v be_v just_o abhor_v animadver_n animadver_n for_o their_o horror_n of_o mind_n lest_o they_o shall_v by_o any_o tenet_n fall_v headlong_o into_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n and_o if_o mr_n t._n do_v but_o approve_v his_o own_o seven_o argument_n for_o a_o right_a rule_n viz._n that_o which_o have_v occasion_v many_o error_n that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a whether_o it_o be_v right_a etc._n etc._n then_o it_o will_v follow_v uncontradict_v by_o mr_n t._n that_o as_o he_o doubt_v of_o infant_n baptism_n because_o of_o error_n that_o have_v follow_v it_o so_o we_o doubt_v of_o adult_n baptism_n according_a to_o the_o tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n because_o of_o the_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n that_o have_v follow_v it_o chap._n it_o we_o shall_v give_v instance_n anon_o in_o the_o due_a place_n in_o answer_n to_o mr._n t._n his_o 6_o 7.8.9_o argument_n in_o our_o 13._o chap._n to_o the_o second_o particular_a we_o answer_v thus_o that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o convenient_a sudden_o to_o desert_n the_o lead_a man_n of_o reformation_n then_o in_o their_o debate_n before_o they_o have_v declare_v themselves_o and_o we_o mean_v while_o not_o engage_v necessary_o to_o practice_v against_o our_o conscience_n and_o in_o such_o point_n as_o will_v no_o way_n stand_v in_o the_o line_n of_o any_o concord_n so_o much_o as_o negative_o the_o church_n way_n or_o independency_n as_o they_o nick_v name_v it_o differ_v from_o the_o intend_a presbytery_n as_o we_o guess_v ungain_o in_o point_n of_o appeal_v especial_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o it_o which_o may_v breed_v no_o distraction_n in_o case_n particular_a church_n walk_v so_o wise_o as_o not_o to_o need_v appeal_n as_o some_o discreet_a parish_n do_v in_o the_o worset_n time_n of_o episcopal_a court_n rest_v in_o a_o song_n whereby_o to_o sing_v only_o when_o the_o concord_n will_v bear_v it_o and_o rest_n where_o not_o till_o they_o symphonise_v again_o do_v not_o mar_v but_o grace_v the_o harmony_n but_o whether_o anabaptism_n or_o catapaedobaptisme_n deny_v baptism_n to_o believer_n infant_n wherein_o the_o great_a part_n of_o a_o sad_a distract_a kingdom_n be_v interest_v will_v for_o the_o present_a so_o well_o fag_n i_o leave_v to_o mr_n t._n to_o make_v out_o which_o if_o he_o can_v it_o shall_v not_o be_v a_o sorrow_n to_o i_o we_o be_v unwilling_a indeed_o to_o admit_v those_o beleiver_n to_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n that_o will_v not_o some_o how_o intimate_a to_o we_o that_o they_o yield_v to_o a_o relation_n of_o pastor_n and_o flock_n between_o they_o and_o that_o minister_n of_o who_o they_o require_v that_o ordinance_n and_o to_o walk_v with_o we_o submissive_o to_o all_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n till_o god_n provide_v better_o for_o they_o that_o we_o may_v know_v how_o they_o live_v as_o well_o as_o when_o they_o receive_v and_o be_v willing_a also_o to_o receive_v christian_a admonition_n where_o they_o live_v amiss_o but_o for_o baptise_v of_o beleiver_n infant_n several_a church_n of_o we_o do_v hold_v that_o we_o may_v baptise_v they_o though_o neither_o of_o those_o parent_n be_v of_o our_o particular_a church_n baptism_n as_o we_o conceive_v be_v but_o a_o admission_n into_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n as_o those_o baptise_a matthew_n the_o 3._o the_o centurion_n act._n 10._o the_o gaoler_n act._n 16_o be_v baptise_a neither_o in_o a_o particular_a christian_a church_n nor_o into_o such_o a_o particular_a church_n to_o the_o three_o particular_a we_o answer_v that_o it_o can_v but_o be_v a_o considerable_a thing_n to_o godly_a and_o wise_a man_n how_o they_o move_v trouble_n in_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o in_o capitulate_v as_o i_o may_v say_v with_o point_n of_o argument_n for_o reformation_n they_o think_v it_o not_o seasonable_a to_o indeavoure_n for_o the_o inward_a hold_n till_o they_o can_v take_v the_o outwork_n reformation_n from_o adam_n fall_n to_o the_o high_a pitch_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n come_v on_o by_o degree_n so_o from_o john_n baptist_n time_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o so_o in_o every_o kingdom_n since_o from_o the_o first_o sit_v down_o of_o religion_n there_o to_o its_o growth_n or_o from_o the_o lapse_n thereof_o to_o its_o restitution_n we_o can_v come_v to_o the_o end_n but_o by_o mean_n and_o it_o can_v but_o be_v dangerous_a in_o a_o unwieldy_a kingdom_n to_o jump_v from_o the_o lesser_a to_o the_o great_a thing_n of_o that_o we_o count_v reformation_n at_o one_o leap_n for_o my_o part_n i_o shall_v desire_v rather_o to_o suspend_v my_o own_o interest_n then_o to_o be_v a_o coadjutor_n to_o further_a a_o general_a dangerous_a distraction_n for_o that_o clause_n that_o infant-baptisme_n have_v be_v hold_v rather_o upon_o the_o say_v three_o particular_n then_o upon_o any_o perspicuous_a ground_n of_o scripture_n we_o anser_fw-la we_o have_v hold_v it_o upon_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o scripture_n if_o our_o animadversion_n may_v be_v count_v worthy_a to_o be_v one_o witness_n but_o if_o mr_n t._n mean_v by_o perspicuous_a any_o thing_n more_o than_o sufficient_a we_o answer_v we_o conceive_v we_o have_v as_o perspicuous_a scripture_n for_o infant-baptisme_n as_o mr_n t._n have_v for_o the_o lord_n day_n and_o for_o woman_n partake_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n to_o master_n