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A63200 A tryall of the nevv-church vvay in New-England and in old ... by that learned and godly minister of Christ, John Ball of Whitmore ; penned a little before his death and sent over to the New England ministers, anno 1637, as a reply to an answer of theirs in justification of the said positions ... ; now published ... by William Rathband and Simeon Ash. Ball, John, 1585-1640.; Rathband, William, d. 1695.; Ashe, Simeon, d. 1662. Letter of many ministers in old England requesting the judgement of their reverend bretheren in New England. 1644 (1644) Wing T2229; ESTC R20975 106,044 100

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office_n in_o another_o congregation_n or_o to_o they_o that_o be_v not_o set_v member_n of_o their_o proper_a assembly_n for_o first_o to_o dispense_v the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n be_v a_o ministerial_a act_n a_o act_n of_o office_n and_o not_o a_o exercise_n of_o gift_n only_o but_o the_o pastor_n of_o one_o assembly_n may_v dispense_v the_o sacrament_n to_o the_o set_a member_n of_o another_o society_n upon_o occasion_n as_o you_o confess_v in_o this_o and_o in_o your_o answer_n to_o the_o nine_o position_n and_o if_o the_o member_n of_o one_o church_n may_v lawful_o upon_o occasion_n receive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o supper_n in_o another_o society_n from_o the_o pastor_n thereof_o then_o may_v the_o pastor_n of_o one_o congregation_n perform_v a_o ministerial_a act_n to_o the_o member_n of_o another_o and_o if_o to_o the_o member_n of_o another_o then_o in_o another_o congregation_n with_o consent_n and_o upon_o occasion_n second_o as_o the_o minister_n be_v exhort_v to_o feed_v their_o flock_n so_o be_v every_o christian_n and_o minister_n to_o try_v and_o examine_v himself_o whether_o he_o be_v in_o the_o faith_n but_o you_o will_v not_o allow_v this_o conclusion_n 28._o i_o must_v examine_v myself_o ergo_fw-la no_o man_n be_v debar_v from_o the_o sacrament_n for_o his_o unworthiness_n 5._o or_o to_o be_v try_v or_o examine_v by_o other_o to_o be_v observe_v admonish_v and_o bring_v to_o repentance_n for_o notorious_a sin_n 32_o no_o more_o can_v it_o be_v right_o gather_v from_o the_o former_a passage_n of_o scripture_n that_o the_o minister_n be_v not_o upon_o occasion_n to_o perform_v any_o ministerial_a act_n to_o any_o other_o people_n or_o society_n 252._o because_o ordinary_o he_o be_v to_o attend_v his_o own_o flock_n three_o as_o the_o minister_n have_v peculiar_a relation_n to_o their_o particular_a flock_n so_o the_o people_n unto_o their_o particular_a minister_n unto_o who_o they_o be_v tie_v in_o special_a manner_n as_o to_o their_o overseer_n who_o must_v give_v account_n for_o theirsoul_n and_o if_o this_o peculiar_a relation_n betwixt_o the_o people_n &_o the_o minister_n do_v not_o hinder_v the_o people_n from_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n at_o the_o hand_n of_o another_o minister_n nor_o the_o minister_n from_o perform_v the_o ministerial_a act_n to_o the_o member_n of_o another_o congregation_n neither_o do_v his_o peculiar_a relation_n to_o his_o own_o flock_n hinder_v he_o from_o administer_a unto_o other_o upon_o just_a occasion_n be_v entreat_v thereunto_o as_o the_o combine_a of_o the_o people_n to_o their_o peculiar_a minister_n do_v not_o quite_o cut_v off_o their_o communion_n with_o other_o minister_n so_o neither_o do_v the_o restrain_v of_o a_o minister_n to_o a_o peculiar_a flock_n quite_o cut_v he_o off_o from_o administer_a upon_o occasion_n unto_o another_o people_n paul_n appoint_v the_o ephesian_a elder_n unto_o the_o care_n &_o charge_n only_o of_o their_o own_o particular_a flock_n 1●_n but_o so_o to_o attend_v they_o ordinary_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o scripture_n that_o as_o occasion_n be_v offer_v may_v perform_v some_o ministerial_a act_n in_o another_o congregation_n the_o take_a heed_n unto_o their_o flock_n which_o paul_n require_v in_o this_o place_n do_v comprehend_v under_o it_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n 13._o prayer_n and_o sacrament_n and_o if_o it_o must_v be_v restrain_v to_o their_o own_o particular_a church_n only_o it_o be_v unlawful_a for_o a_o pastor_n to_o preach_v or_o call_v upon_o the_o name_n of_o god_n in_o any_o public_a assembly_n save_o his_o own_o upon_o any_o occasion_n as_o these_o be_v duty_n prtain_v to_o common_a confession_n or_o profession_n of_o faith_n ordinary_a pastor_n and_o teacher_n it_o be_v true_a be_v not_o apostle_n who_o be_v to_o go_v from_o place_n to_o place_n from_o country_n to_o country_n to_o plant_v and_o erect_v