into all Churches and every particular Church where he cometh he hath all the priviledges of a baptised person in respect of his baptisme and is so to be esteemed by them Now the priviledge of a baptised person who is able to examine himself and walketh in the truth is to be admitted to the Lords Supper All circumcised persons had right thereby to eat the Passeover in any societie in the place which God should chuse to put his Name there Exod. 12. 4. 47. Deut. 16. 1 2. So all baptised persons have true and intire right to the Lords Supper in everie true Church where God hath set his Name Thirdly there is not the same reason of every Church priviledge for one may have right to some who is not to meddle with others The members of one society may hear the Word joyne in Prayer and receive the Sacraments in another when they are not to meddle in the election and ordination of their teachers The Ministers of the Gospel may preach the Word and administer the Sacraments in another congregation and hereto he needs no other calling but that God offers an opportunitie there is much need of his help and he is intreated or hath leave from them in place or office but he is not to admit members into the societie or cast them out that be admitted And if the Pastor of one Church shall preach or administer the Sacraments in another contrary to the liking and approbation of the Society and Governours though the act be irregular it was never esteemed a nullitie but if he shall presume to excommunicate the members of another societie without the consent or the Church and approbation of Pastors and Teachers under whose charge and jurisdiction they live it hath been judged a meer nullity Therefore the proposition is not so evident as to be taken without proofe that they have no power to admit a beleever into communion in any Church priviledge who have no power to excommunicate Fourthly that visible beleevers baptised into a true Church professing the true faith and walking in holy obedience and godly conversation that they and their seed should be judged such as are without in the Aposles sense because they be not externally joyned as set members to some particular congregation in Church-Covenant is affirmed not proved 1. It hath and may fall out many times through the ignorance rashnesse or pride of a prevailing faction in the Church that the true members of the Catholique Church and the best members of the orthodox visible flock or congregation of Christ may be no members of any distinct visible societie And shall their posteritie be esteemed Aliens and Strangers from the Covenant and debarred from the Sacraments because their parents are unjustly seperated from the inheritance of the Lord Surely as parents unjustly excommunicated do continue still not onely true members of the invisible body but visible members of the flock of Christ so the right of Baptisme doth belong to the Infants of such parents though not actuall and constant members of this or that present assembly in Church order 2. If they be without because no members of a politike bodie or spirituall fellowship then all members which are of one societie are without to another For they that be not of the bodie are not capable of Church censures or subject to the authoritie one of another And so not being under the judgement of that particular Church to it they are without whereas in ancient and moderne times distinct Societies did communicate together admit and receive each other as brethren to testifie their fellowship in the faith If the reason whereupon the Apostle saith the Church of Corinth was not to judge them that were without was because they were not within the Church of Corinth and so not under their censure or judgement this holds true of them that be of another society admitted to the Sacrament as well as of such as be no set members desiring to be received to the Lords Supper 3. The fornicators of this world do they not explaine whom the Apostle pointeth unto by the title of being without ver 10. 11. such as had not received the covenant of grace 4. Church order is necessarie we denie not but this order that a man should be a constant and set member of a particular societie by covenant to make him a true member of the visible Church or to give him title or interest to the publick order this is not taught of God 5. Paul divides all men into two ranks the first and greater without the last and lesser within but that beleevers who have received the holy Ghost and have been baptised into Jesus Christ that they and their children should be reckoned among them that are without that we read not in this nor any other Scripture but in phrase of Scripture hereticks themselves are within the Church 6. The beleevers not yet gathered as the godly learned think into a certain distinct body are called beleevers brethren disciples but that they should be comprehended under them that are without it hath not been beleeved in the Church 7. Without faith the Apostle whether alluding to this place or not let others judge are dogs inchanters whoremongers not such as are called faithfull and holy walking in integritie beleeving in and professing Jesus Christ to be their Saviour 8. They that are without in the Apostles sense are Aliens from the Common-wealth of Israel strangers from the covenant of promise having no hope and without God in the world but we hope you will not passe such rash and unadvised censure upon your brethren who be not gathered into your societie as set members 9. Let the interpretation stand and he is without not onely who is no set member of some congregationall Assembly but he that is not subject to the censure of the community of that particular combination few or many with or without Officers And so all the reformed Churches in the world who ascribe the power of the keyes to the Presbitry or Classes and not to the community and some amongst your selves if not the most shall be without also And therefore we cannot think approved Christians desiring to be received unto the Sacrament either to be without or uncapable of Church censures for the time being if they should offend though not set members of any particular congregation for desiring baptisme for their children or themselves to be admitted to the Lords Supper for the time they put themselves under the ordinance of Jesus Christ there And as they are members for the time so they might be proceeded against according to the rule prescribed by our Saviour as they would proceed with an offending member 10. If upon just and good reason a passage of Scripture can be cleared to prove that for which it was never alledged by any writer we are not to except against any truth of God because it wanteth mans testimonie Onely if we desire
were assembled at that time in his house whilest he spake these words To him give all the Prophets witnesse that through the Name of Jesus whosoever beleeveth on him shall receive remission of sinnes Peter demanded Can any man forbid water that these should not be baptised which have received the holy Ghost as well as we In this catalogue we see profession of faith and repentance required in them that were admitted to partake in the seals but there is not a word of Church-Covenant either in the Institution or administration of the Seales before they were admitted to them That Christians are solemnly ingrafted into the body of Christ and into particular Societies by the Seales is a truth acknowledged on all sides but that ever it was deemed necessarie that a Christian should be a set member of a particular Congregationall Church before he were admitted to the Seales or that by divine institution any such thing is ordained as necessarie thereunto that upon the grounds before mentioned we denie and cannot account it lesse then an addition to the institution For if the Sacraments be seales of the Covenant of grace and baptisme by divine Institution belong to Disciples faithfull Saints who have gladly received the Word of grace are justified by faith sanctified by the Spirit adopted to be the children of God by grace and heires apparent to the kingdom of heaven then to debarre such from the Seales and their seed from Baptisme because they be not in Church-Covenant as you speake is an addition to the ordinance of grace and many wayes injurious to the people of God V. POSITION That the power of Excommunication is so in the body of the Church that what the Major part shall allow must be done though the Pastors and Governors and the rest of the Assembly be of another minde and that peradventure upon more substantiall reasons Answer IF the Question had been Whether the power of Excommunication lies in the body of the Congregation consisting of officers and members our Answer should be Affirmative and according hereunto is also our practise and wee hope your judgement and ours are not different herein But seeing the Question is Whether it is so in the body of the Congregation that what the Major part doth allow that must be done though the Pastors and Governors and the rest of the Assembly doe dissent upon more substantiall reasons Our Answer is Negative viz. that the power of Excommunication is not sealed in the Congregation neither ought it to be so in any of the Churches of the Lord Jesus who ought not to carry matters by number of votes against God as this Position implyeth but by strength of rule and reason according to God The power of the Apostles was not to doe things against the truth but for the truth 2 Cor. 13. 8 and not for destruction but for edification 2 Cor. 10. 8. And the same may be said concerning the power which God hath given to the Church and if any Church among us have swerved from the rule which is more then we know we doe not allow them in such a practise but should be ready as the Lord should helpe to convince them of their sin therein Reply THis Question is much mistaken for the demand is not whether in the Congregation matters should be carryed by number of votes against God as you interpret the Position but whether the power of Excommunication so lye in the body of the Congregation as that sentence must proceed in externo foro according to the vote and determination of the Major part and so whether power of admission of members doe so reside in the communitie as that they must be refused whom the Major part refuse though the Pastors and Governors and part of the Congregation be of another judgement and he admitted whom the Major part doth approve And though the Church hath received no power against God but for God yet in the execution of the power no doubt the members of that Church may be of different judgements and affections wherein the one side or other doth erre and is deceived Now the Question hereupon moved is whether the power of the keyes be so given and committed to the society of the faithfull as that in externall Court that act or sentence must stand and be in force which the greater part shall determine amongst them which hold the power of the keyes to be given to the Church Some distinguish betwixt the power it self which they give to the Church and the execution and exercise of it which they confine to the Presbytery Others give the power of the keyes with the exercise thereof to the whole body of the Church or if in the dispensation they attribute any thing to the Officers it is but as servants of the Church from whom they derive their authoritie By Church also some understand the communitie of the faithfull together with their officers and guides And here lyeth the stone at which they of the Seperation stumble and which we conceive to be your judgement and practise wherein we required your plaine answer with your reasons but have received no satisfaction You referre us to Mr. Parkers reasons to prove the power of the keyes to belong to the whole Church who are of farre different judgement from Mr. Parker in the point it selfe And if your judgement and practise be according to that of the Seperation which we feare you dissent from him and we cannot but dissent from you upon these considerations 1. No power agreeth to the multitude or communitie of the faithfull but that which is given them of the Lord by his positive Law For the whole spirituall power for the gathering and government of his Church is given to Christ as Mediator And if the power of the keyes be derived from and communicated by Christ unto his Church of necessitie it must draw its originall from divine positive Law and can agree to none but as it is communicated But the communicated power of the keyes with the execution thereof Christ hath not given immediately to the whole multitude but to some persons and Officers designed and appointed thereunto Peruse the severall passages of Scripture wherein power and authoritie of preaching the Gospel administring the Sacraments binding and loosing is given to the Church and it is apparent that distinct severall persons are spoken of and not the whole communitie Goe teach all Nations and baptize them c. Whose sinnes yee remit they are remitted c. Feed my Lambes feed my sheepe c. Were these things spoken to the whole communitie or to speciall persons 2. If Christ gave this power to the communitie was it from the beginning of the Church or tooke it effect after the Churches were planted and established by the Apostles Not the first for then the Apostles themselves should derive their power from the communitie and societie of the faithfull which they did not but
from Christ immediately both in respect of gifts and graces their calling it selfe and the designation of their persons It is said the power of the keyes given to the Apostles was given to the Church In tuitu ejusdem tanquam finis totius And it is true the Apostles were given to the Church and the power they received was for the good of the whole but this is not enough That power may be said to be received immediately by the Church as the first receptacle of it and from it derived to others But this power must be in the communitie as the first subject from whom it commeth to the Officers As the power of seeing is not onely given in tuitu hominis as the end of it and the totum to whom it agreeth but is in homine as the first subject from which it commeth to the eyes The Apostles and other Governors were given of Christ for the Church as for their end and all their authoritie was given unto them for the Church as for the whole but the authoritie it selfe was immediately derived from Christ and is not in the Church as the immediate subject nor derived from the Church but from Christ the King of the Church The authoritie of Governors is given of Christ for a gift to the Church but not for a gift absolute that it may reside in the power of the whole Church to whom it is given but for a conditionall gift communicated to the Governors themselves for the good of the whole It is one thing then to aske for what end or use the keyes are given another to whom To every one is given the declaration of the Spirit for profit i. e. for the good of the Church But was this gift given to the communitie of the faithfull first and immediately No By gift and possession it was given â—o some but for use and profit it was publick After the Churches were established it tooke not effect for then it must be shewed where Christ committed the power of God first to the Apostles and after to the communitie of the faithfull But that is no where to be found in holy scripture The Ministers and guides of the Church were immediately of Jesus Christ from whom immediately they derive their power and authoritie by whom they are set over their charge in whose Name they must execute their office whose Stewards Legates and Ambassadors they are and unto whom they must give an account Yea Pastorship is the gift of Christ no lesse then Apostleship and that the more because it is perpetuall in the Church every Pastor is not immediately called but the Office and order of Pastors the calling authoritie and jurisdiction is immediately from Christ and not from the Church The Steward is appointed of the Master of the family alone and hath all his authoritie and jurisdiction from him Every Ambassador in the cause of his ambassage doth immediately depend upon him from whom he is sent But if the function order and authoritie of Pastors and Teachers be immediately from Christ then it is not received from the Church as the immediate receptacle Thus Protestant Divines dispute against Papists If Bishops receive their power and authority of exercising immediately from Christ by mandate mission and commission from him then they derive it not from the Pope And if Presbyters receive their order jurisdiction and power of execution from Christ by his mandate and Commission then they receive it not from the Bishop And by the same reason if the power of the keyes be the immediate gift of Christ to his Ministers then they derive not their power and authoritie from the people It is usually objected that the Church cannot convey what she never had but the people may Elect their Pastor Whereunto the answer is direct and plaine Nothing can give that which it had not formally or virtually unlesse it give it as an instrument ministring to one who hath it but so it may give what it never had nor is capable of A Steward may give all the offices in his Masters house as ministerially executing his Masters pleasure Electors have not evermore authoritie over him whom they elect but power and authoritie onely to apply that power to him whom they choose The power and authoritie whereunto a Minister is elected is not in the people that elect him but from Christ the King and head of his Church who out of power doth conferre that office upon him If we consider what men give or give 〈◊〉 universally it must be deemed that any men can make Ministers because they give not the office gifts or authoritie which are from Christ â—â—ene 3. If Ecclesiasticall and spirituall power be in the multitude and community of the faithfull the Church doth not onely call but make Officers out of power and vertue received into her selfe and then should the Church have a true lordlike power in regard of her Ministers In the Church the Officers are the Ministers of the people whose service the people is to use for administration and executing their judgements that is pronouncing the judgement of the Church and of God first against the obstinate Rob. against Ber. p. 136. The Officers in the Church are both Christs and the peoples Servants and Ministers Id. p. 165. For as he that will derive authority to the Church maketh himselfe Lord of the Church so if the Church derive authoritie to the Ministers of Christ she maketh herself Lady and Mistris over them in the exercise of that authoritie over them For all men know it is the property of the Lord and Master to impart authoritie Did the Church give power and authoritie to the Pastors and Teachers she might make the Sacraments and preaching which one doth in order no Sacraments no preaching For it is the order instituted of God that gives being and efficacie to these ordinances And if the power of ruling feeding and dispensing the holy things of God do reside in the faithfull the Word and Sacraments in respect of dispensation and efficacie shall depend upon the order and institution of the Societie If the power of the keyes be derived from the community of the faithfull then are Officers immediately and formally servants to the Church and must do every thing in the name of the Church Rule feed bind loose remit and retaine sinnes preach and administer the Sacraments then they must performe their Office according to the direction of the Church more or lesse seldome or frequent remisse or diligent For from whom are they to receive direction how to carry themselves in their Office but from him or them from whom they receive their Office whose works they do and from whom they expect their reward If their power and office be of God immediately they must do the duties of their place according to his designement and to be accountable unto God But if their power
formes is questioned and doubted of by many faithfull servants of God such also as come over occasionally who withdraw themselvs from the Sacraments in the congregation doe it on this pretence that a stinted Liturgie is a humane invention And if we examine the reasons brought against stinted formes and Liturgies we shall finde them to strike at all formes and Liturgies though devised by men of the same age and congregation and to be used but now and then or but once on set purpose and that either in publike or in private as elsewhere we may have occasion to shew You say it is evident many Preachers constantly use a set forme of Prayer of their own making before their Sermons with whom the people refuse not to joyne And you know we doubt not that such set formes are disliked also And if the grounds be examined in our understanding they make as much against the one as the other View but the reasons why you admit not a stinted Liturgie and forme of prayer and see whether the two last will not in the same terms directly conclude gainst both But what ever is to be thought herein or whether mens practises agree with their opinions we now dispute not This is plaine and manifest that mens opinions are to be judged by their expresse words and reasons not by their practises The Brownists as they are commonly called can separate from no stinted Liturgie amongst us but that which is in use and for ought we know they may joyne with their owne Pastors though they oft use the same forme of prayer in whole or in part in thanksgiving before meat or in prayer before Sermon or the like And yet their opinion is that all stinted Liturgies and set Formes of prayer be unlawfull humane inventions forbidden by the second Commandement But if any thing had beene left doubtfull in the Letter that it might be strained to another sence either because we were short in expression or many of you not informed in the passages which gave occasion to the question it is well knowne what the words meane in ordinary construction And we doubt not but many brethren among you might and could fully informe you of our meaning that there need no such straining to find it out That which followeth in your answer to the position as you interpret it wee passe over because it is not to the matter intended And wee are as unwilling to trouble you with the affaires of other Churches taking you from your owne weightie occasions as you are unwilling to be interrupted Onely in regard of promise and because plaine dealing serves to maintaine love we thinke good to advertise you these few things 1 That your reasons why you accept not of a stinted Lyturgie be ambiguously propounded for sometimes you plead onely for your libertie herein and that a stinted forme is not necessary and sometime you speake so as they that looke at Stinted Lyturgies as Images forbidden in the second Commandement will easily draw your words to their meaning 2 The reasons you bring against a set forme of prayer or Liturgie doe hold as strong against a set forme of Catechisme confession and profession of faith blessing baptizing and singing of Psalmes 3 Wee have not called upon you at this time to witnesse for or against the corruptions in the Communion-Booke This you fall upon by straining the sense of our demands contrary to the true meaning thereof The reasons which you bring against it we cannot approve them all The exceptions which have bin taken both from the matter and manner thereof we know But to esteeme the whole for some corruptions found therein a monument of Idolatry that we have not learned The Argument in the abridgement which is used against conformity to the Ceremonies did not in their judgement who were authors of the Booke hold against the Lyturgie of which opinion we are also 4 If these reasons be intended onely to shew why you receive not our forme of administration it is that which we are perswaded you know we never required of you If to disallow the use of the Booke amongst us altogether in things lawfull good and pertinent they will not hold weight 5 You are generally as you say loath to meddle with the affaires of other Churches unlesse you have been necessarily called thereunto But when some upon the request as we suppose of private friends and others out of their zeale and forwardnesse have laboured to draw many to separation from the Sacrament because ministred in a stinted Lyturgie wee cannot apprehend any just ground of this apologie The Rent is wide and some brethren had their hands deepe therein which made us at this present to crave your judgements and the reasons thereof to make up the breach 6 I. D. objecteth to Master P. that his manner of preaching was disorderly in carrying that matter he speakes of to the Classes before he had declared to the Church the equity of his refusing the Ministers desired by the Scriptures And may not we with like reason object that this manner of proceeding is disorderly in seeking to draw men to Separation because of stinted Liturgie before you had shewed to us or other brethren whom it may concerne by Scripture or reasons drawne from thence that a stinted Liturgie was unlawfull but of this wee may intreat more fully elsewhere II. POSITION That it is not lawfull to joyne in prayer or receive the Sacraments where a stinted Liturgie is used or as we conceive your meaning to be in this as in the former question viz. where and when that stinted Liturgie is used Answer IT seemeth by this your letter the ground of this Position hath beene the separation of divers from your assemblies because of a stinted Liturgie and we are not ignorant of the rigid separation of divers people who withdraw themselves from an able faithfull ministry as no ministry of Christ and from their godly congregations as no Churches of Christ because of some corruptions from which through want of light not love of the truth they are not throughly cleansed Against which practise we have ever witnessed As for our Judgement concerning the Position it selfe we would promise two things First concerning the persons reading this Liturgie which may be either an ungodly or unable Minister or an able and a godly Secondly concerning the Liturgie it selfe which may be either of the whole or some select prayers which may be conceived to be the least offensive Now if the question be of joyning in prayer with and when that whole Liturgie is used or where that which is used is read by an unable and ungodly Minister we then see not how it can be lawfull to joyne in prayer in such cases For 1 The prayers of the Minister are not his private prayers but the publike prayers of the whole assembly whose mouth he is to God And when the prayers offered up by the Minister as a living holy and acceptable
service to God are not through humane frailty but otherwise for matter and manner corrupt wee see not what warrant any one hath to joyne with such prayers Mal. 1. 13 14. 2 When men ioyne therein with an insufficient Ministry they doe not only countenance them in their place and office whom the Lord hath rejected from being his Priests Hos 4. 6. but also set up those Idolls and means of worship to edifie themselves by which God never appointed in his holy word Ezeck 11. 17. But if the question be of joyning in some few select prayers read by an able and painfull Minister out of that booke as on the one side wee are very tender of imputing sin to the men that so joyne so on the other side we are not without feare least that such joyning may be found to be unlawfull unlesse it may appeare that the Ministers with whom the people have communion in reading those prayers doe neither give any scandall by reading of them nor give unlawfull honour to a thing abused to Idolatry and superstition nor doe suffer themselves to be sinfully limited in the reading of them Reply SUfficient hath been spoken of the meaning of the position and the grounds thereof and if we have not mistaken your judgment practice both you have born witnesse against both that you call the rigid seperation and this more moderate also And we humbly wish the moderate doe not degenerate into the rigid ere long It is very strange if they take not great incouragement upon your grounds The truth of our ministery Churches Ordinances and calling is questioned and where men will stay the Lord knoweth and what more common then that our Liturgie is unlawfull because it is the devise of man The Author or publisher at least of a letter against our Service booke beginneth with such like distinction Against this Prayer-booke saith he divers have pleaded in a different manner First some arguments are proper to the Separatists qua tales viz. that it is offered in a false Church 2. By a false minister 3. In the behalfe of the subjects of the Kingdome of Antichrist These are properly theirs being the grounds whereupon they make a totall separation from all the Churches in this Land as no Churches of Christ These I approve not yet note them that yee may see upon what different grounds the same Position is maintained by severall persons and that yee may be delivered from the prejudice which hinders many from receiving those truths because they feare the reproach of Brownisme Secondly there are other grounds which are common to all that plead for the the puritie of Christs ordinances and which doe not necessarily inferre such separation but only serve to shew the unlawfulnesse of that practise and our communicating therein Thus the Epistle wherein the same distinction of separation is noted but how truly let the indifferent judge If none must be counted Separatists but such as have pleaded against the booke of Common prayer as unlawfull because offered up in a false Church c. then are there none such in the world that we have knowne or heard of for it is apparent they cast us off as no Churches of Christ because our Service is a humane devise will-worship Idolatry And not on the contrary that our Service is will-worship or Idolatry because our Churches are false Churches Against all Communion with us they plead because we are a false Church but against our stinted Liturgie they argue not in that manner The grounds on which that Authour builds which he saith are common to all that plead for the purity of Gods ordinances are one and the same with the grounds of the Separatists shafts taken out of the same quiver and peculiar to them some few brethren onely excepted who of late have looked towards that opinion See how affection will transport Those reasons shall be common to all that plead for the purity of Christs Ordinances which were never taken to be sound and true either by the reformed Churches abroad or by the godly Brethren at home whether now at rest with the Lord or for the present living or yet by the most of the brethren among whom they live and with whom they hold societie or by any minister or Societie which did hold the unitie of the spirit in the bond of peace for the space of this 1400 yeares and upwards by your owne confession unlesse within these few dayes and that by a few onely If this be not to strengthen the hands of the Separatists or at least to lay blocks of offence in their way what is As yet we thinke most of them that have separated are not so farre gone as to condemne all our Assemblies as no Churches of Christ but we judge they have proceeded further then Christ the Lord and Saviour of his Church hath given them commission or allowance that the grounds whereon they build are unsound and such as make way for further danger if the Lord prevent not And that the reasons mentioned in the letters are the proper grounds of Separatists and not common to all them that seeke the purity of religion for they are not approved by your selves and if all this tend not to turne them who halt out of the right way wee heartily intreate you to consider Your judgement concerning the Position you deliver in three propositions for so many they be for substance In respect of the persons reading the Liturgie or the thing it selfe that is read As if any part of the Liturgie bee read put case some few selected prayers onely by an unable and ungodly minister it is unlawfull say you for the people to joyne in that case But if it be unlawfull for the people to joyne when an ungodly minister readeth some few select prayers it is either in respect of the Minister or the prayers themselves Not of the prayers themselves for they be select and choyce faultlesse both in respect of matter and manner as it is taken for granted unlesse this distribution be to no purpose if in respect of the Minister then it is not lawfull to joyne with such a one in any ordinance of God whatsoever For if the Minister make it unlawfull then all communion in any part of Gods worship with such Ministers is unlawfull and so the Church in all ages of the world the Prophets our Saviour Christ the Apostles and the faithfull in the primitive Churches sinned in holding Communion with such when the Priests were dumbe dogges that could not barke and greedy dogges that could never have enough when the Prophets prophefied lies and the Priests bare rule by their meanes when the Priests bought and sold Doves in the Temple and tooke upon them to provide such things for them that were to offer when the Pharisees corrupted the Law by false glosses taught for doctrines mens precepts made the commandements of God of none effect through their traditions under pretence of long prayer
the Sacrament Secondly we see not how you can apply that text to Preaching by office which according to our exposition must bee a dispensing of a fit portion of food to everie one of the houshould For it is plaine the Apostles were sent forth to preach to everie Creature or unto the world to convert men unto God to make them disciples and not to preach unto disciples only or members of the houshold The Apostles certainly had authority and preached by authority but they preached not to Infidells and Heathens as to disciples or members of the Church much lesse did they give a portion to them as to the houshold which is the preaching by office which you acknowledge Thirdly if under the power of the keyes you comprehend preaching by office dispensing the seales casting out and receiving againe into the bosome of the Church wee deny the power of the keyes to belong to the Church or community of the faithfull we cannot find in Scripture that Christ ever granted such power to the faithfull as faithfull joyned together in Covenant in those passages which speake of this power the execution of this authority is given to them to whom the authoritie is committed If the power of the keyes be given to the whole Church the Apostles themselves must derive their authoritie immediatly from the Church and not from Christ for the power must be derived from them unto whom it was give but their power and authority was not from the Church but from Christ immediatly And if the dispensation and exercise of the keyes be concredited to the Ministers Doth it hold in all things or onely in the dispensation of the Sacraments and preaching by office Doe they dispense the seales as the Stewards of Christ from whom they receive their authority immediately or as the servants of the Church from which they derive their authority If in the first sense the power of the keys is not in the community of the faithfull If in the second the office of a Minister is not the immediate gift of Christ nor the Minister so much the servant of Christ as of the Church from whom he must receive lawes in whose name he must doe his office and to whom he must give an account We could wish you had explained in what sense you hold the dispensation and execution of the power of the keyes is concredited to the Ministers and by whom For if the community of the faithfull have to doe in all matters concerning the body to admit members and cast them out to make and depose Ministers to bind and loose by authority derived from Christ wee cannot see how in your judgement the dispensation and execution of the power of the keyes is concredited to the Ministers Fourthly That which you add that God will not vouchsafe his presence and blessing to an ordinance but when it is dispenced by those whom hee hath ordayned and appointed thereunto must bee warily understood or it may occasion errors and distractions not a few You know what corruptions soone entred into the Church of God both in respect of Doctrine Worship Offices and entrance thereunto and how ready and apt is the conclusion from your words That Christ hath not vouchsafed his presence and blessing in his Ordinances to his Church But of this before And on the contrary seeing God hath vouchsafed his blessing in his Ordinances dispensed by your selves when you stood as visible Ministers in the congregation and Churches of old England you must confesse did approve both your standings and his Ordinances dispensed by you Secondly as for the Assumption that Pastors and Teachers are limited to a particular charge or society but that flock is not ever one congregationall assembly meeting in one place neither the band so streight whereby they are tied to that one society that they may not upon occasion performe some Ministeriall Act or Office in another congregation or to them that be not set members of their proper assembly For first to dispence the Seals of the covenant is a ministeriall act an act of Office and not an exercise of gifts onely But the Pastors of one Assembly may dispence the Sacrament to the set members of another society upon occasion as you confesse in this and in your answer to the ninth position And if the members of one Church may lawfully upon occasion receive the Sacrament of the Supper in another society from the Pastor thereof then may the Pastor of one congregation performe a Ministeriall act to the members of another and if to the members of another then in another congregation with consent and upon occasion Secondly As the Ministers are exhorted to feed their flock so is every Christian and Minister to try and examine himselfe whether hee be in the faith but you will not allow this conclusion I must examine my self Ergo no man is debarred from the Sacrament for his unworthinesse or to be tried or examined by others to be observed admonished and brought to repentance for notorious sin No more can it be rightly gathered from the former passages of Scripture that the Minister is not upon occasion to performe any Ministeriall act to any other people or society because ordinarily he is to attend his own flock Thirdly As the Ministers have peculiar relation to their particular flocks so the people unto their particular Ministers unto whom they are tied in speciall manner as to their Overseers who must give account for theirsouls And if this peculiar relation betwixt the people the Minister doth not hinder the people from receiving the Lords Supper at the hands of another Minister nor the minister from performing the Ministeriall act to the members of another congregation Neither doth his peculiar Relation to his own flock hinder him from administring unto others upon just occasion being intreated thereunto As the combining of the people to their peculiar Minister doth not quite cut off their communion with other Ministers so neither doth the restraining of a Minister to a peculiar flock quite cut him off from administring upon occasion unto another people Paul appointeth the Ephesian Elders unto the care charg onely of their own particular flock but so to attend them ordinarily according to the rules of the Scripture that as occasion was offered might performe some Ministeriall acts in another congregation The taking heed unto their flocks which Paul requires in this place doth cōprehend under it the administration of the Word Prayer and Sacrament and if it must be restrained to their owne particular Churches onely it is unlawfull for a Pastor to preach or call upon the name of God in any publike Assembly save his own upon any occasion as these be duties prtaining to common confession or profession of faith Ordinary Pastors and Teachers it is true are not Apostles who are to go from place to place from Country to Country to plant and erect