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s._n athanasius_n upon_o these_o word_n go_v into_o a_o village_n you_o shall_v find_v a_o colt_n tie_v say_v let_v we_o examine_v ourselves_o whether_o the_o fetter_n of_o our_o sin_n be_v loose_v that_o we_o may_v amend_v our_o life_n and_o if_o they_o be_v not_o yet_o loose_v let_v we_o present_v ourselves_o unto_o the_o disciple_n of_o jesus_n for_o they_o be_v present_a that_o by_o authority_n which_o they_o have_v receive_v from_o our_o saviour_n can_v loose_v you_o peccatricem_fw-la math._n 18._o vers_fw-la 18._o joh._n 20._o vers_fw-la 23._o regula_n 228._o oratione_fw-la in_o mulierem_fw-la peccatricem_fw-la for_o he_o say_v whatsoever_o you_o bind_v upon_o earth_n shall_v be_v bind_v in_o heaven_n and_o whatsoever_o you_o lose_v on_o earth_n shall_v be_v loose_v in_o heaven_n and_o who_o sin_n you_o forgive_v they_o be_v forgive_v s._n basil_n of_o necessity_n must_v we_o confess_v our_o sin_n to_o they_o unto_o who_o the_o dispensation_n of_o the_o mystery_n of_o god_n be_v 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