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A13168 The examination of M. Thomas Cartvvrights late apologie wherein his vaine and vniust challenge concerning certaine supposed slanders pretended to haue bene published in print against him, is answere and refuted, By Matthevv Sutcliffe. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1596 (1596) STC 23463; ESTC S120443 107,902 121

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m._n cartwright_n do_v not_o as_o well_o subject_a prince_n to_o excommunication_n as_o sander_n or_o allen_n or_o other_o papist_n and_o whether_o his_o doctrine_n be_v not_o as_o pernicious_a to_o princess_n authority_n as_o they_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v and_o therefore_o he_o pass_v by_o and_o say_v just_a nothing_o 12._o 49._o answer_v to_o the_o petit_fw-fr qu._n 49._o a_o doubt_n be_v make_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n do_v believe_v that_o subject_n may_v rebel_v against_o such_o king_n as_o they_o account_v papist_n or_o tyrant_n as_o some_o of_o that_o side_n have_v teach_v and_o he_o pass_v by_o in_o a_o grave_a silence_n 13._o 51._o ibidem_fw-la qu._n 51._o it_o be_v ask_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n and_o his_o fellow_n have_v not_o assemble_v in_o synod_n or_o rather_o conventicle_n and_o there_o enact_v &_o decree_v certain_a rule_n &_o order_n contrary_a to_o her_o majesty_n law_n and_o also_o subscribe_v they_o &_o procure_v other_o to_o subscribe_v they_o 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i_o ask_v m._n cartwright_n whether_o he_o &_o his_o adherent_n have_v not_o put_v the_o great_a part_n of_o their_o discipline_n in_o practice_n without_o her_o majesty_n consent_n authority_n or_o allowance_n and_o likewise_o without_o her_o authority_n or_o knowledge_n have_v not_o both_o make_v secret_a meeting_n and_o establish_v diverse_a new_a order_n and_o broach_v new_a opinion_n and_o all_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n faith_n and_o government_n of_o this_o church_n of_o england_n this_o string_n m._n cartwright_n dare_v not_o touch_v 17._o 55._o ibidem_fw-la q._n 55._o i_o ask_v he_o whether_o he_o be_v not_o presumptuous_a if_o no_o more_o in_o do_v these_o thing_n and_o whether_o he_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v bring_v public_o to_o submit_v himself_o for_o his_o fault_n likewise_o it_o may_v be_v here_o ask_v of_o he_o whether_o have_v both_o in_o fenner_n book_n and_o his_o reply_n and_o writing_n teach_v write_v and_o allow_v diverse_a point_n of_o false-doctrine_n 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not_o answer_v direct_o and_o plain_o 19_o 58._o ibidem_fw-la qu._n 58._o i_o will_v also_o understand_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n and_o his_o fellow_n have_v not_o confess_v on_o their_o oath_n take_v in_o the_o star-chamber_n that_o notwithstanding_o all_o that_o care_n that_o have_v be_v take_v for_o the_o perfect_a of_o their_o platform_n of_o discipline_n they_o be_v not_o yet_o resolve_v upon_o diverse_a point_n and_o whether_o they_o do_v wise_o to_o subscribe_v to_o such_o order_n or_o dutiful_o to_o animate_v certain_a gentleman_n of_o mean_a understanding_n in_o divinity_n to_o present_v such_o a_o confuse_a &_o imperfect_a platform_n of_o government_n to_o the_o parliament_n that_o it_o may_v be_v confirm_v and_o receive_v throughout_o the_o whole_a realm_n and_o last_o of_o all_o whether_o it_o be_v wisdom_n to_o dissolve_v a_o state_n already_o settle_v &_o to_o embrace_v a_o government_n whereupon_o the_o author_n themselves_o be_v not_o yet_o resolve_v nor_o i_o 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prince_n by_o the_o eldership_n and_o other_o point_n of_o fenner_n book_n do_v not_o maintain_v doctrine_n as_o dangerous_a as_o sander_n rosse_n and_o allen_n that_o maintain_v the_o excommunication_n of_o prince_n by_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o pope_n proceed_n and_o yet_o m._n cartwright_n resolve_v i_o not_o 23._o 75._o ibidem_fw-la q._n 75._o i_o demand_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n do_v reveile_v to_o any_o magistrate_n the_o letter_n of_o copinger_n or_o his_o strange_a deseignement_n but_o he_o deign_v not_o to_o satisfy_v any_o such_o demand_n 24._o 92._o ibidem_fw-la qu._n 92._o i_o ask_v whether_o m._n cartwrights_n answer_n to_o the_o rhemish_a annotation_n upon_o the_o new_a testament_n contain_v not_o diverse_a point_n of_o doctrine_n contrary_n to_o all_o the_o father_n to_o the_o faith_n of_o this_o church_n and_o all_o sound_a divinity_n and_o why_o if_o it_o be_v otherwise_o he_o do_v not_o subject_v it_o to_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o learned_a and_o what_o say_v 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