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theodorus_n a_o martyr_n thus_o we_o want_v many_o benefit_n do_v thou_o become_v our_o legate_n with_o the_o king_n of_o heaven_n thou_o be_v not_o ignorant_a of_o humane_a necessity_n procure_v peace_n for_o we_o that_o we_o have_v be_v safe_a and_o sound_a hitherto_o we_o ascribe_v it_o to_o thou_o if_o you_o want_v more_o assistance_n take_v in_o the_o choir_n of_o your_o brethren_n the_o martyr_n the_o prayer_n of_o many_o saint_n wash_v away_o the_o sin_n of_o nation_n and_o people_n in_o the_o like_a manner_n he_o speak_v in_o his_o panegyric_n of_o another_o martyr_n theoph._n this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o your_o purpose_n you_o need_v look_v no_o further_o but_o i_o pray_v tell_v i_o do_v you_o take_v he_o for_o a_o orator_n or_o divine_a in_o these_o passage_n be_v it_o possible_a he_o shall_v in_o earnest_n ascribe_v the_o preservation_n of_o the_o faithful_a all_o along_o unto_o this_o martyr_n &_o hope_v for_o security_n from_o he_o for_o the_o future_a and_o never_o take_v into_o consideration_n the_o divine_a protection_n be_v it_o good_a divinity_n to_o say_v that_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o just_a wash_n away_o the_o guilt_n of_o nation_n and_o people_n and_o never_o mention_v the_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o effectual_a intercession_n phil._n that_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v as_o the_o principal_a the_o bless_a saint_n may_v be_v instrumental_a in_o these_o blessing_n theoph._n what_o you_o suppose_v be_v one_o thing_n and_o what_o he_o express_v another_o but_o it_o be_v neither_o good_a philosophy_n nor_o divinity_n to_o entitle_v the_o effect_n unto_o the_o instrument_n and_o leave_v out_o the_o principal_a agent_n shall_v i_o make_v such_o a_o harangue_n to_o a_o artist_n tool_n &_o give_v they_o all_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o excellent_a work_n he_o will_v reckon_v i_o beside_o my_o wit_n and_o himself_o put_v beside_o his_o due_a commendation_n &_o praise_n phil._n you_o ask_v question_n instead_o of_o give_v answer_n but_o i_o have_v now_o conclude_v to_o favour_v you_o and_o not_o overlade_v you_o with_o innumerable_a testimony_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o late_a father_n perhaps_o you_o will_v except_v against_o in_o this_o point_n such_o as_o bede_n and_o anselme_n &_o bernard_n &_o damascene_fw-la &_o the_o elder_n i_o have_v hitherto_o produce_v and_o yet_o there_o remain_v two_o of_o the_o greek_a church_n and_o two_o of_o the_o latin_a church_n who_o authority_n i_o will_v urge_v out_o of_o bellarmin_n in_o confirmation_n of_o this_o point_n &_o then_o i_o shall_v give_v you_o respite_n the_o greek_a father_n be_v chrysostome_n and_o theodoret_n the_o latin_a jerom_n and_o augustin_n theoph._n you_o have_v make_v a_o noble_a choice_n &_o herein_o you_o much_o oblige_v i_o whilst_o your_o wisdom_n and_o your_o zeal_n do_v prompt_v you_o to_o urge_v the_o most_o effectual_a testimony_n on_o your_o side_n that_o you_o determine_v to_o let_v the_o other_o pass_v which_o chief_o serve_v to_o fill_v up_o a_o number_n phil._n bellarmin_n quote_v a_o eminent_a passage_n out_o of_o antioch_n of_o homil._n 66_o add_v pop_n antioch_n chrysostom_n but_o we_o easy_o find_v it_o in_o his_o 26_o homily_n upon_o the_o second_o epistle_n to_o the_o corinthian_n from_o whence_o we_o suppose_v the_o homily_n be_v collect_v it_o be_v in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o that_o homily_n the_o word_n out_o of_o chrysostom_n be_v these_o he_o that_o wear_v purple_a go_v and_o salute_v the_o sacred_a body_n and_o lay_v aside_o his_o state_n etc._n state_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n stand_v pray_v unto_o the_o saint_n that_o they_o will_v appear_v before_o god_n in_o his_o behalf_n he_o that_o wear_v the_o diadem_n beesech_v the_o tentmaker_n and_o fisherman_n be_v dead_a to_o become_v his_o advocate_n theoph._n this_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o passage_n whereunto_o we_o find_v not_o a_o second_o like_o it_o in_o all_o the_o work_n of_o chrysostom_n bellarmine_n refer_v to_o other_o pâ—â—ces_n of_o this_o father_n but_o according_a to_o his_o accoustumed_a manner_n without_o truth_n and_o reason_n it_o be_v strange_a therefore_o if_o he_o be_v of_o the_o opinion_n &_o the_o practice_n in_o his_o day_n be_v usual_a to_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n before_o their_o shrine_n that_o any_o where_o else_o he_o shall_v not_o speak_v of_o it_o and_o therefore_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o the_o original_a greek_a do_v not_o altogether_o warrant_v bellarmin_n translation_n but_o equal_o admit_v another_o which_o will_v fall_v short_a of_o his_o proof_n for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o well_o signify_v stand_v in_o need_n of_o the_o saint_n intercession_n as_o pray_v for_o it_o and_o so_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o want_v their_o protection_n now_o we_o may_v stand_v in_o need_n and_o may_v reap_v the_o benefit_n of_o the_o saint_n supplication_n in_o heaven_n for_o the_o people_n of_o god_n here_o on_o earth_n &_o yet_o have_v no_o warrant_n to_o call_v upon_o
against_o any_o desire_n that_o the_o faithful_a live_n shall_v assist_v we_o with_o their_o prayer_n theoph._n you_o shall_v not_o join_v together_o the_o mediation_n &_o intercession_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o the_o saint_n whether_o in_o heaven_n or_o earth_n and_o you_o may_v observe_v the_o father_n speak_v of_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d intercessor_n in_o the_o plural_a as_o of_o many_o imply_v that_o one_o be_v our_o mediator_n between_o god_n and_o man_n even_o the_o man_n christ_n jesus_n 1_o tim._n 2._o 5._o and_o withal_o the_o testimony_n be_v sufficient_a against_o that_o fond_a conceit_n that_o we_o be_v unworthy_a to_o draw_v near_o to_o god_n in_o our_o own_o person_n but_o by_o other_o intercession_n phil._n you_o will_v draw_v out_o your_o discourse_n in_o infinitum_fw-la by_o your_o rejoinder_n and_o remark_n but_o i_o have_v to_o a_o end_n the_o second_o greek_a father_n i_o propose_v be_v theodoret_n a_o learned_a bishop_n of_o cyprus_n who_o in_o his_o history_n of_o the_o life_n of_o holy_a father_n conclude_v each_o life_n after_o this_o manner_n cuxil_n manner_n huic_fw-la narrationi_fw-la finem_fw-la imponens_fw-la rogo_fw-la ut_fw-la per_fw-la horum_fw-la intercess_n div_o con_fw-la cuxil_n i_o put_v a_o period_n to_o this_o relation_n and_o history_n do_v pray_v and_o beseech_v that_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o these_o saint_n i_o may_v obtain_v divine_a assistance_n theoph._n it_o be_v not_o here_o express_v that_o he_o do_v pray_v unto_o these_o saint_n but_o we_o rather_o suppose_v to_o god_n upon_o the_o opinion_n of_o their_o intercession_n that_o he_o may_v reap_v the_o benefit_n thereof_o &_o withal_o he_o be_v infect_v with_o the_o hereâ—y_n of_o nestorius_n and_o write_v bitter_o against_o cyrill_n of_o alexanria_n his_o twelve_o thesis_n and_o that_o work_v of_o his_o be_v condemn_v in_o the_o five_o general_a council_n and_o himself_o through_o the_o violence_n of_o opposition_n be_v compel_v against_o his_o judgement_n to_o pronounce_v nestorius_n accurse_v yet_o we_o honour_v his_o great_a learning_n and_o let_v his_o memory_n be_v precious_a phil._n i_o be_o glad_a to_o discover_v your_o moderation_n for_o there_o be_v another_o most_o considerable_a testimony_n out_o of_o he_o full_a to_o the_o point_n of_o saint_n invocation_n affectibus_fw-la invocation_n libro_fw-la 8._o de_fw-fr curandis_fw-la graec_fw-la affectibus_fw-la the_o temple_n of_o the_o martyr_n be_v magnificent_a &_o beautiful_a in_o they_o we_o often_o keep_v festival_n &_o such_o as_o enjoy_v health_n pray_v to_o the_o martyr_n to_o preserve_v it_o such_o as_o be_v sick_a desire_n health_n of_o they_o man_n and_o woman_n who_o be_v unfruitful_a ask_v of_o they_o child_n such_o as_o go_v a_o journey_n desire_v their_o conduct_n and_o after_o their_o safe_a return_n they_o pay_v their_o thanks_o to_o they_o owe_v their_o security_n to_o their_o favour_n now_o say_v he_o they_o do_v not_o pray_v to_o these_o martyr_n as_o to_o god_n but_o as_o unto_o holy_a man_n who_o intercession_n they_o desire_v and_o that_o they_o often_o obtain_v their_o request_n the_o numerous_a gift_n devote_v to_o these_o martyr_n do_v testify_v hang_v up_o in_o the_o martyr_n temple_n the_o picture_n of_o they_o eye_n and_o hand_n and_o leg_n in_o gold_n which_o their_o votary_n recover_v by_o their_o merit_n and_o prayer_n and_o intercession_n theoph._n these_o be_v high_a thing_n and_o great_a assignment_n unto_o the_o martyr_n methinks_v there_o shall_v of_o right_n have_v be_v some_o reflection_n upon_o god_n in_o these_o deliverance_n and_o cure_n &_o sure_o there_o be_v something_o in_o the_o wind_n that_o bellarmin_n only_o refer_v to_o this_o passage_n and_o do_v not_o set_v it_o down_o in_o full_a length_n be_v so_o full_a to_o his_o purpose_n in_o the_o 18_o the_o chap._n he_o have_v part_n of_o this_o quotation_n but_o not_o the_o whole_a perhaps_o the_o cardinal_n be_v not_o full_o satisfy_v with_o the_o person_n of_o theodoret_n or_o rather_o with_o the_o book_n itself_o which_o 54._o which_o niceph._n l._n 44_o c._n 54._o nicephorus_n do_v not_o reckon_v up_o among_o theodoret_n work_n when_o he_o give_v a_o account_n of_o all_o his_o book_n these_o 8_o book_n de_fw-fr curandis_fw-la graecorum_n affectibus_fw-la be_v not_o mention_v etc._n mention_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n those_o which_o he_o write_v be_v these_o etc._n etc._n and_o withal_o your_o learned_a cardinal_n know_v well_o that_o what_o theodoret_n if_o this_o book_n be_v he_o do_v build_v with_o one_o hand_n he_o pull_v down_o with_o another_o as_o to_o this_o point_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n or_o angel_n for_o in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o 2_o do_v chap._n of_o s_n t_o paul_n to_o the_o colossian_n vers_fw-la 18_o let_v no_o man_n beguile_v you_o of_o your_o reward_n in_o a_o voluntary_a humility_n and_o worship_v of_o angel_n i_o say_v theodoret_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o this_o place_n cut_v off_o the_o sinew_n and_o foundation_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n invocation_n he_o show_v how_o some_o jewish_a christian_n in_o phrygia_n and_o pisidia_n be_v zealous_a of_o the_o law_n do_v worship_n angel_n by_o who_o the_o law_n be_v give_v and_o build_v temple_n to_o s_o t_o michael_n and_o other_o and_o that_o this_o course_n continue_v long_o among_o they_o etc._n they_o bin._n council_n lacd_a tom._n 1._o can_v 35._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o that_o in_o the_o 4_o the_o century_n a_o council_n of_o bishop_n in_o laodicea_n the_o metropolis_n of_o phrygia_n near_o neighbour_n to_o colosse_n do_v express_o forbid_v the_o worship_n of_o angel_n call_v it_o idolatry_n that_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o leave_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o depart_v and_o call_v upon_o the_o angel_n and_o make_v assembly_n and_o if_o any_o be_v find_v to_o be_v conversant_a in_o this_o hide_a idolatry_n let_v he_o be_v accurse_v now_o this_o voluntary_a humility_n which_o s_n to_o paul_n mention_n refer_v to_o that_o humble_a pretence_n that_o sinner_n be_v not_o worthy_a to_o draw_v near_o to_o god_n themselves_o but_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n &_o angel_n intrude_a into_o those_o thing_n which_o he_o have_v not_o see_v vain_o puff_v up_o in_o his_o fleshly_a mind_n say_v the_o apostle_n that_o be_v say_v theodoret_n cogitationibus_fw-la theodoret_n propriis_fw-la utens_fw-la rationibus_fw-la &_o cogitationibus_fw-la use_v his_o own_o reason_n and_o imagination_n etc._n etc._n now_o say_v he_o the_o angelos_n the_o synodus_fw-la volens_fw-la veteri_fw-la illi_fw-la morbo_fw-la mederi_fw-la cavit_fw-la ne_fw-la precarentur_fw-la angelos_n synod_n of_o laodicea_n desire_v to_o cure_v this_o old_a decease_n forbid_v they_o to_o pray_v unto_o angel_n and_o you_o will_v grant_v if_o we_o must_v not_o pray_v to_o angel_n neither_o to_o the_o saint_n for_o you_o have_v derive_v chief_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n from_o that_o of_o angel_n phil._n 20._o phil._n ibid._n cap._n 20._o bellarmin_n have_v answer_v this_o passage_n of_o theodoret_n and_o of_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n and_o the_o text_n of_o the_o apostle_n together_o namely_o etc._n namely_o apostolum_n damnare_fw-la haeresin_fw-la simenis_fw-la magi_n qui_fw-la decuit_fw-la angelos_n quasi_fw-la minres_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o the_o apostle_n condemn_v the_o heresy_n of_o simon_n magus_n who_o teach_v like_a plato_n that_o the_o angel_n shall_v be_v worship_n as_o lesser_a deity_n and_o that_o none_o can_v please_v the_o invisible_a god_n but_o by_o the_o angel_n and_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o council_n propria_fw-la council_n concilium_fw-la non_fw-la damnat_fw-la quamvis_fw-la venerationem_fw-la ang._n sed_fw-la quae_fw-la deo_fw-la propria_fw-la do_v not_o condemn_v all_o worship_n of_o angel_n but_o only_o such_o veneration_n as_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n theoph._n observe_v the_o incongruity_n of_o this_o answer_n as_o to_o several_a particular_n he_o say_v the_o council_n condemn_v not_o all_o veneration_n of_o angel_n but_o only_o such_o as_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n the_o supreme_a deity_n and_o yet_o according_a to_o his_o own_o relation_n simon_n magas_n and_o the_o jewish_a christian_n that_o worship_v angel_n do_v not_o worship_v they_o as_o the_o supreme_a deity_n but_o only_o as_o subordinate_a intercessor_n and_o s_o t_o paul_n and_o the_o council_n of_o laoduea_n condemn_v this_o that_o in_o voluntary_a humility_n they_o shall_v deprive_v themselves_o of_o that_o privilege_n to_o come_v to_o god_n themselves_o and_o so_o make_v way_n unto_o he_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o angel_n the_o apostle_n therefore_o and_o the_o council_n sorbid_v this_o inferior_a worship_n as_o theodoret_n observe_v angelos_n observe_v ne_fw-fr precarentur_fw-la angelos_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o pray_v to_o the_o angel_n to_o make_v way_n for_o they_o unto_o the_o great_a god_n and_o in_o the_o next_o chap._n of_o s._n paul_n to_o the_o colossian_n vers_fw-la 17._o the_o apostle_n
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