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A07647 Immediate addresse vnto God alone First deliuered in a sermon before his Maiestie at Windsore. Since reuised and inlarged to a just treatise of inuocation of saints. Occasioned by a false imputation of M. Antonius De Dominis vpon the authour, Richard Montagu. Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641. 1624 (1624) STC 18039; ESTC S112845 131,862 253

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they_o do_v not_o no_o not_o what_o be_v necessary_a and_o require_v in_o this_o case_n and_o what_o they_o know_v or_o how_o much_o none_o but_o themselves_o or_o god_n can_v relate_v which_o be_v never_o yet_o discover_v that_o i_o can_v find_v to_o make_v they_o omniscious_a we_o know_v be_v to_o give_v they_o that_o of_o god_n which_o be_v incommunicable_a to_o a_o creature_n bellarmine_n right_o detest_v this_o and_o complain_v that_o melanthon_n do_v injurious_o cast_v this_o aspersion_n upon_o their_o church_n we_o be_v tell_v and_o have_v hear_v much_o talk_n of_o their_o morning_n and_o evening_n knowledge_n of_o their_o natural_a power_n and_o free_a disposition_n of_o divine_a supernatural_a dispensation_n of_o angelical_a information_n of_o almighty_a revelation_n but_o all_o these_o and_o other_o bring_v forth_o no_o better_a or_o strong_a issue_n than_o some_o thing_n at_o some_o time_n some_o of_o they_o we_o know_v not_o who_o by_o some_o mean_n or_o other_o we_o can_v tell_v what_o may_v attain_v unto_o god_n know_v how_o much_o and_o so_o leave_v we_o uncertain_a we_o know_v not_o where_o to_o rely_v upon_o some_o help_n we_o know_v not_o from_o who_o what_o or_o how_o far_o the_o great_a canuaser_n of_o controversy_n for_o all_o his_o confidence_n be_v fain_o to_o fall_v off_o with_o a_o flat_a ignoramus_n touch_v their_o knowledge_n resolve_v on_o by_o himself_o for_o a_o stay_n and_o cast_v we_o off_o at_o adventure_n with_o this_o resolution_n irresolute_a every_o way_n vnde_fw-la sciant_fw-la angeli_fw-la conversionem_fw-la peccatorum_fw-la pro_fw-la qua_fw-la tantoperè_fw-la gaudent_fw-la in_o coelis_fw-la ut_fw-la dicitur_fw-la luc._n 14._o indè_fw-la sciunt_fw-la sancti_fw-la nostri_fw-la nostras_fw-la preces_fw-la the_o question_n be_v ask_v by_o one_o in_o good_a earnest_n how_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n may_v come_v to_o take_v notice_n of_o our_o prayer_n his_o answer_n be_v in_o that_o very_a sort_n as_o the_o angel_n come_v to_o know_v the_o conversion_n of_o a_o sinner_n for_o which_o they_o so_o much_o and_o so_o great_o rejoice_v but_o good_a sir_n confuter_n of_o caluin_n resolve_v we_o of_o fellowship_n undè_fw-la be_v it_o that_o angel_n know_v that_o and_o then_o peradventure_o we_o may_v be_v still_o as_o far_o to_o seek_v for_o answer_n as_o he_o be_v say_v to_o be_v unto_o this_o indissoluble_a argument_n of_o intercession_n of_o saint_n depart_v because_o man_n live_v be_v employ_v as_o mediator_n unto_o god_n by_o prayer_n therefore_o the_o saint_n may_v be_v so_o employ_v communication_n whether_o by_o intuitive_a knowledge_n or_o communication_n but_o to_o come_v to_o the_o point_n whatsoever_o thing_n or_o substance_n have_v or_o can_v have_v a_o knowledge_n of_o the_o state_n and_o condition_n of_o another_o must_v have_v it_o original_o or_o by_o mean_n and_o communication_n original_a knowledge_n be_v plenary_a and_o intuitive_n peculiarly_a proper_a unto_o god_n alone_o who_o be_v intimi●r_n unto_o every_o thing_n than_o the_o thing_n be_v or_o can_v be_v to_o itself_o and_o understand_v more_o and_o more_o perfect_o than_o that_o thing_n do_v by_o or_o of_o itself_o for_o he_o only_o have_v knowledge_n comprehensive_a the_o knowledge_n that_o saint_n and_o angel_n have_v for_o in_o this_o question_n as_o be_v specify_v they_o be_v not_o divide_v by_o the_o persuader_n to_o their_o intercession_n be_v communicate_v not_o original_a they_o be_v not_o creator_n but_o creature_n communicate_v from_o god_n two_o way_n as_o be_v avouch_v in_o himself_o without_o himself_o that_o supernatural_o to_o saint_n and_o angel_n by_o which_o they_o that_o behold_v his_o face_n in_o glory_n do_v withal_o in_o he_o as_o in_o a_o glass_n behold_v infinite_a form_n of_o thing_n and_o being_n the_o other_o natural_o proceed_v from_o the_o power_n of_o that_o endowment_n wherewith_o saint_n and_o holy_a angel_n be_v endow_v quatenus_fw-la tale_n in_o that_o their_o bless_a estate_n antiquity_n take_v up_o the_o phrase_n from_o a_o passage_n in_o saint_n augustine_n have_v name_v these_o two_o different_a degree_n and_o kind_n of_o knowledge_n in_o man_n and_o angel_n matutinam_fw-la &_o vespertinam_fw-la cognitionem_fw-la their_o morning_n and_o evening_n knowledge_n that_o which_o they_o know_v in_o behold_v of_o god_n most_o perfect_a and_o pure_a by_o way_n of_o resultation_n from_o his_o alsufficiencie_n that_o which_o reside_v in_o themselves_o and_o proceed_v from_o themselves_o not_o so_o eminent_a excellent_a nor_o so_o far_o extend_v as_o the_o other_o whether_o by_o effluxe_n and_o emanation_n out_o of_o themselves_o by_o species_n congenitas_fw-la which_o be_v not_o probable_a or_o else_o which_o be_v most_o likely_a though_o themselves_o be_v not_o persuade_v nor_o yet_o resolve_v of_o it_o by_o species_n abstractas_fw-la from_o the_o creature_n concern_v their_o morning_n knowledge_n more_o anon_o when_o we_o come_v to_o take_v a_o view_n of_o their_o glass_n of_o the_o deity_n but_o as_o touch_v their_o evening_n or_o natural_a knowledge_n enough_o for_o their_o knowledge_n may_v be_v strict_a enough_o see_v it_o be_v uncertain_a whence_o and_o what_o it_o be_v or_o how_o far_o it_o extend_v who_o can_v determine_v or_o of_o what_o capacity_n and_o efficacy_n it_o be_v for_o either_o we_o must_v determine_v of_o it_o from_o the_o effect_n or_o conclude_v of_o it_o by_o the_o cause_n the_o cause_n be_v uncertain_a because_o unknown_a the_o effect_n uncertain_a because_o unapprehend_v who_o can_v say_v how_o far_o it_o extend_v who_o can_v measure_v or_o bound_v it_o out_o that_o never_o yet_o speak_v with_o any_o saint_n or_o angel_n to_o be_v inform_v and_o take_v thence_o resolution_n and_o for_o any_o experimental_a knowledge_n thereof_o it_o be_v absolute_o without_o the_o verge_n of_o man_n walk_n how_o little_a how_o much_o soever_o it_o be_v it_o be_v put_v down_o by_o themselves_o as_o a_o rule_v case_n their_o natural_a disposition_n or_o understanding_n do_v not_o reach_v home_o to_o such_o a_o power_n or_o ability_n as_o necessary_o must_v concur_v and_o be_v require_v absolute_o unto_o invocation_n but_o be_v of_o a_o assize_n by_o much_o short_a and_o more_o curtayled_a than_o will_v serve_v as_o thus_o the_o prayer_n petition_n and_o desire_v of_o man_n upon_o any_o occasion_n at_o any_o time_n be_v either_o conceptus_fw-la animi_fw-la mere_o mental_a and_o not_o express_v by_o voice_n or_o withal_o vocal_a thereby_o make_v know_v unto_o such_o as_o be_v within_o distance_n mental_a prayer_n mere_o they_o apprehend_v not_o nor_o understand_v at_o all_o for_o how_o can_v any_o understand_v the_o spirit_n of_o man_n the_o thought_n of_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n but_o the_o man_n who_o thought_n they_o be_v who_o be_v privy_a to_o his_o own_o mind_n only_o god_n who_o make_v and_o fashion_v the_o heart_n who_o understand_v all_o thing_n long_o before_o they_o come_v to_o pass_v who_o see_v from_o everlasting_a to_o everlasting_a intuitive_o know_v the_o secret_n discover_v the_o bought_n and_o turn_n of_o the_o heart_n because_o he_o be_v intimior_fw-la near_o unto_o man_n than_o man_n be_v or_o can_v be_v to_o himself_o vocal_a prayer_n they_o can_v be_v out_o of_o distance_n not_o present_a with_o or_o near_o unto_o they_o that_o call_v now_o in_o case_n of_o petition_n and_o invocation_n it_o often_o stand_v thus_o man_n in_o diverse_a and_o those_o remote_a and_o distanced_a place_n far_o asunder_o may_v and_o often_o do_v at_o one_o and_o the_o same_o time_n and_o instant_n call_v and_o cry_v out_o for_o help_n and_o assistance_n in_o their_o exigent_n necessity_n how_o shall_v they_o help_v who_o can_v hear_v how_o can_v they_o hear_v that_o be_v not_o present_a or_o near_o either_o actual_o or_o virtual_o by_o contiguitie_n or_o continuitie_n unto_o and_o with_o those_o that_o call_v as_o saint_n in_o heaven_n and_o man_n upon_o earth_n nor_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v so_o present_a each_o with_o other_o ordinary_o except_o perhaps_o and_o but_o also_o perhaps_o by_o some_o particular_a dispensation_n i_o grant_v that_o the_o soul_n be_v a_o substance_n of_o exceed_v quick_a dispatch_n and_o of_o wondrous_a agility_n every_o way_n especial_o sole_a itself_o entire_a separate_a from_o the_o encumbrance_n of_o the_o body_n and_o yet_o ultra_fw-la posse_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la esse_fw-la the_o activeness_n of_o it_o be_v not_o indetermine_v or_o uncircumscribed_a the_o soul_n be_v a_o substance_n confine_v to_o where_o it_o be_v and_o work_v determinate_o if_o here_o not_o there_o if_o in_o one_o place_n at_o instant_a not_o in_o another_o and_o though_o mooveable_a yet_o how_o in_o what_o fashion_n with_o what_o disposition_n who_o can_v say_v or_o determinate_o resolve_v it_o be_v a_o idle_a as_o be_v many_o more_o in_o he_o speculation_n that_o i_o say_v not_o profane_a which_o pinell●s_v the_o jesuite_n have_v it_o lib._n 1._o ca._n 17._o de_fw-fr alterâ_fw-la vita_fw-la
himself_o his_o seed_n ero_n deus_fw-la tuus_fw-la &_o seminis_fw-la tui_fw-la and_o do_v he_o not_o renew_v it_o unto_o isaac_n for_o a_o law_n and_o confirm_v it_o unto_o jacob_n for_o a_o everlasting_a testament_n because_o he_o say_v in_o his_o holiness_n i_o will_v not_o fail_v david_n be_v we_o not_o often_o put_v in_o mind_n what_o thing_n how_o great_a he_o do_v for_o david_n sake_n be_v it_o not_o yet_o upon_o record_n to_o stand_v for_o ever_o that_o they_o be_v the_o sure_a mercy_n of_o david_n who_o he_o love_v once_o he_o love_v everlasting_o on_o his_o part_n his_o gift_n and_o promise_n be_v all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d without_o repentance_n as_o much_o as_o appertain_v unto_o he_o if_o man_n break_v not_o covenant_n in_o thou_o shall_v be_v my_o people_n god_n will_v not_o fail_v on_o his_o part_n i_o will_v be_v thy_o god_n and_o the_o god_n of_o thy_o seed_n man_n so_o interest_v be_v most_o what_o it_o it_o have_v be_v the_o confidence_n of_o all_o the_o faithful_a so_o to_o take_v it_o many_o of_o they_o well_o persuade_v for_o the_o point_n it_o be_v a_o strong_a confidence_n &_o strange_a resolution_n of_o some_o psalm_n 46.2_o we_o will_v not_o fear_v though_o the_o earth_n be_v move_v and_o the_o hill_n be_v carry_v into_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o sea_n in_o effect_n though_o the_o fabric_n of_o the_o world_n be_v out_o of_o frame_n though_o heaven_n and_o earth_n and_o all_o those_o mother_n element_n of_o the_o world_n be_v blend_v shake_v and_o upon_o point_n of_o dissipation_n why_o upon_o what_o ground_n be_v they_o so_o confident_a the_o lord_n of_o host_n this_o be_v the_o reason_n be_v with_o we_o the_o god_n of_o jacob_n be_v our_o refuge_n the_o lord_n of_o host_n who_o can_v resist_v he_o the_o god_n of_o jacob_n who_o need_n doubt_v of_o he_o god_n almighty_a can_v do_v what_o he_o will_v god_n of_o jacob_n will_v do_v what_o he_o can_v answerable_a to_o his_o promise_n of_o old_a ero_n deus_fw-la tuus_fw-la &_o seminis_fw-la tui_fw-la thy_o god_n i_o be_o and_o the_o god_n of_o thy_o seed_n after_o thou_o for_o ever_o our_o god_n now_o this_o be_v their_o resolution_n as_o our_o father_n god_n in_o time_n of_o old_a at_o hand_n to_o help_v we_o in_o time_n of_o trouble_n as_o he_o have_v be_v good_a and_o gracious_a unto_o all_o our_o kin_n he_o that_o be_v i_o be_o can_v not_o become_v i_o have_v be_v or_o i_o will_v be_v hereafter_o therefore_o verse_n 7._o as_o in_o propriety_n i_o be_o god_n so_o in_o appropriation_n i_o be_o thy_o god_n mine_n and_o thou_o be_v possessive_a relative_n each_o have_v deep_a interest_n in_o other_o so_o that_o my_o god_n thou_o be_v holy_a my_o soul_n thou_o be_v happy_a in_o have_v so_o good_a a_o god_n as_o be_v our_o god_n so_o ready_a so_o willing_a to_o do_v thou_o good_a to_o come_v home_o to_o the_o purpose_n he_o that_o can_v divert_v or_o prevent_v a_o mischief_n will_v not_o sit_v still_o and_o look_v on_o in_o the_o ruin_n of_o his_o house_n nor_o irrelentles_o see_v the_o desolation_n of_o those_o who_o be_v indeed_o &_o be_v call_v psalm_n 83.3_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o hide_a secret_a the_o receive_v once_o of_o god_n nor_o the_o utter_a destruction_n of_o his_o dear_a friend_n the_o devil_n indeed_o will_v no_o doubt_n antiquum_fw-la obtinere_fw-la suggest_v in_o extremity_n to_o dismay_v and_o drive_v we_o into_o despair_n there_o be_v no_o help_n for_o he_o in_o his_o god_n but_o loquor_fw-la è_fw-la proprijs_fw-la who_o bid_v he_o say_v so_o or_o put_v this_o word_n into_o his_o mouth_n god_n never_o do_v it_o he_o speak_v it_o only_o of_o himself_o and_o himself_o be_v a_o liar_n from_o the_o beginning_n absit_fw-la enim_fw-la ut_fw-la credat_fw-la aliquis_fw-la cuilibet_fw-la minimus_fw-la quicquam_fw-la d●futurum_fw-la in_o confession_n nominis_fw-la constituto_fw-la believe_v not_o he_o therefore_o who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o lie_n believe_v his_o word_n rather_o who_o be_v truth_n itself_o who_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o in_o all_o in_o this_o present_a question_n and_o dispute_v of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n which_o ordinary_o they_o seem_v not_o to_o have_v of_o themselves_o nor_o yet_o possibility_n to_o be_v inform_v thereof_o they_o or_o show_v how_o they_o shall_v be_v acquaint_v with_o they_o prove_v i_o this_o that_o they_o have_v or_o may_v have_v notice_n thereof_o and_o prove_v all_o i_o will_v no_o more_o contend_v against_o their_o intercession_n if_o any_o papist_n living_n or_o all_o the_o papist_n living_n can_v prove_v that_o i_o may_v make_v my_o necessity_n know_v unto_o they_o ordinary_o but_o instant_o subscribe_v without_o more_o ado_n i_o grant_v they_o know_v much_o and_o that_o ordinary_o of_o themselves_o their_o own_o endowment_n or_o else_o by_o infuse_v or_o reveal_v knowledge_n know_v all_o
man_n be_v not_o alive_a when_o they_o be_v dead_a that_o be_v do_v not_o converse_v with_o man_n then_o as_o sometime_o they_o do_v while_o yet_o they_o live_v natural_o though_o bellarmine_n be_v dispose_v thus_o to_o toy_n and_o t●flle_n s._n augustine_n mean_v serious_o that_o the_o soul_n depart_v be_v not_o interest_v at_o all_o do_v know_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o the_o passage_n and_o affair_n in_o the_o world_n as_o his_o whole_a discourse_n the_o instance_n of_o his_o mother_n the_o example_n of_o josiah_n well_o declare_v if_o by_o natural_o he_o mean_v ordinary_o as_o it_o seem_v he_o will_v have_v do_v if_o he_o dare_v have_v touch_v it_o because_o he_o straight_o oppose_v supernatural_a interest_n thereunto_o it_o be_v most_o true_a that_o saint_n augustine_n do_v resolve_v that_o ordinary_o they_o meddle_v not_o at_o all_o know_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o our_o affair_n and_o no_o other_o intercourse_n betwixt_o they_o and_o we_o dispensation_n unless_o by_o some_o 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prayer_n make_v unto_o they_o yea_o or_o no._n whether_o it_o be_v possible_a that_o petitioner_n suit_n shall_v come_v unto_o their_o notice_n and_o understanding_n certain_o it_o be_v no_o very_o easy_a matter_n to_o set_v down_o a_o conclusion_n resolute_a in_o question_n of_o this_o nature_n for_o how_o can_v we_o be_v ascertain_v and_o resolve_v in_o our_o knowledge_n concern_v they_o we_o be_v not_o able_a to_o conceive_v nor_o find_v out_o what_o knowledge_n they_o have_v of_o we_o and_o our_o affair_n and_o by_o what_o mean_v they_o attain_v unto_o it_o this_o be_v most_o sure_a and_o certain_a that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o righteous_a reside_v with_o god_n in_o the_o secret_a place_n of_o divine_a contemplation_n where_o they_o both_o do_v see_v god_n and_o have_v so_o far_o forth_o information_n of_o thing_n do_v abroad_o as_o may_v only_o extend_v to_o advance_v and_o augment_v their_o own_o joy_n &_o enlarge_v their_o assistance_n tender_v unto_o us._n he_o mean_v in_o 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he_o this_o testimony_n in_o my_o understanding_n speak_v to_o another_o purpose_n not_o for_o intercession_n by_o invocation_n the_o prayer_n here_o intend_v be_v make_v not_o to_o saint_n nor_o soul_n nor_o angel_n but_o to_o god_n he_o suppose_v so_o do_v all_o that_o those_o holy_a one_o with_o god_n god_n and_o of_o prayer_n make_v only_o to_o god_n do_v continual_o pray_v unto_o god_n for_o the_o church_n which_o prayer_n he_o desire_v god_n will_v merciful_o hear_v and_o grant_v unto_o they_o for_o the_o good_a of_o his_o choose_a upon_o earth_n both_o part_n in_o this_o passage_n militant_a triumphant_a employ_v in_o prayer_n the_o prayer_n of_o either_o direct_v unto_o god_n this_o only_a difference_n the_o one_o as_o in_o necessity_n pray_v for_o themselves_o the_o other_o in_o security_n themselves_o intercede_v for_o other_o neither_o invocate_a other_n for_o to_o do_v it_o but_o de_fw-la motu_fw-la proprio_fw-la and_o correspondent_a to_o their_o state_n prayer_n 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their_o maker_n to_o give_v they_o the_o honour_n due_a unto_o their_o maker_n this_o i_o must_v not_o i_o can_v i_o dare_v not_o presume_v to_o do_v for_o how_o can_v i_o answer_v it_o unto_o my_o master_n who_o have_v denounce_v my_o honour_n shall_v no_o man_n have_v nor_o will_v i_o part_v stake_n with_o any_o other_o nay_o how_o unto_o those_o grandee_n themselves_o the_o saint_n so_o jealous_a of_o their_o redeemer_n honour_n that_o before_o all_o they_o first_o will_v plead_v against_o i_o and_o cast_v i_o upon_o enditement_n of_o high_a treason_n so_o far_o be_v they_o from_o admit_v or_o patronise_a my_o excess_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i_o confess_v with_o origen_n they_o deserve_v to_o be_v honour_v 1._o contra_fw-la cell_n 1._o but_o not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o to_o be_v worship_v or_o adore_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o honour_n they_o expect_v the_o most_o and_o great_a we_o can_v do_v unto_o they_o say_v chrysostome_n 625._o to._n 5._o pa._n 625._o be_v to_o go_v after_o they_o in_o their_o worth_n and_o to_o be_v follower_n of_o their_o good_a deserve_n nazianzene_n enlarge_v himself_o much_o upon_o this_o point_n and_o conclude_v hoc_fw-la honorum_fw-la genere_fw-la magis_fw-la oblectatur_fw-la cyprianus_n 18._o o●at_n 18._o quam_fw-la cunctis_fw-la alijs_fw-la in_o unum_fw-la congestis_fw-la haec_fw-la et_fw-la cum_fw-la apud_fw-la homines_fw-la versaretur_fw-la vita_fw-la moribusque_fw-la praesiabat_fw-la et_fw-la absens_fw-la per_fw-la nostram_fw-la vocem_fw-la omnibus_fw-la in_o mandatis_fw-la that_fw-mi quam_fw-la obsecro_fw-la ne_fw-la contemnatis_fw-la si_fw-la tamen_fw-la aut_fw-la illius_fw-la in_o dolorum_fw-la acerbitatibus_fw-la tolerantiae_fw-la ac_fw-la certaminum_fw-la pro_fw-la virtutis_fw-la defension_n susceptorum_fw-la aut_fw-la etiam_fw-la mei_fw-la qui_fw-la hac_fw-la legatione_fw-la fungor_fw-la apud_fw-la vos_fw-la ulla_fw-la habetur_fw-la ratio_fw-la nazianzene_n do_v not_o in_o this_o nor_o do_v we_o with_o he_o and_o all_o antiquity_n undervalue_n their_o worth_n or_o esteem_v light_o of_o their_o achievement_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d man_n say_v chrysostome_n that_o fear_n god_n 721._o ●o_o 5._o pa._n 721._o when_o they_o refuse_v to_o adore_v the_o creature_n do_v not_o vilify_v or_o despise_v the_o creature_n but_o rather_o give_v honour_n to_o the_o creator_n the_o godly_a man_n hate_v not_o the_o sun_n because_o with_o pagan_a infidel_n he_o adore_v not_o the_o light_n thereof_o but_o give_v that_o respect_n thereto_o which_o be_v due_a thus_o we_o answer_v in_o this_o point_n of_o invocation_n and_o make_v our_o apology_n against_o detraction_n for_o dishonour_v or_o disparage_v god_n holy_a saint_n that_o god_n glorious_a in_o they_o now_o and_o ever_o grant_v we_o of_o his_o grace_n through_o their_o intercession_n for_o his_o church_n in_o christ_n that_o we_o may_v so_o pass_v through_o thing_n temporal_a that_o final_o we_o lose_v not_o thing_n eternal_a but_o together_o with_o all_o the_o saint_n depart_v may_v rise_v again_o to_o immortal_a life_n finis_fw-la errata_fw-la pag._n 2._o lin_v 29._o mere_a p._n 3._o l._n 3._o love_n l._n 17._o miserentur_fw-la p._n 8._o l._n 1._o alongè_a p._n 14_o l_o 2_o reserve_v p._n 20_o l._n 7._o nor_o man_n p._n 26.14_o which_o do_v l._n 27_o cas●e_fw-mi this_fw-mi patch_n p._n 35.27_o know_v not_o what_o p._n 37.19_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 107._o l._n 11_o ius_fw-la petes_fw-la p._n 110._o l._n pen._n non_fw-la enim_fw-la p._n 136._o l._n 14_o possunt_fw-la p._n 145._o l._n 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p_o 146._o l._n 5._o unto_o p._n 178_o l._n 8_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 23._o for_o we_o to_o p._n 182._o l._n 13_o to_o a_o christian_a virgin_n by'r_a l._n 28._o and_o of_o p._n 189._o l._n 15._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 18._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 210._o l._n 19_o exercitui_fw-la end_n