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for_o it_o behove_v the_o apostle_n to_o be_v choose_v immediate_o of_o god_n in_o the_o election_n of_o deacon_n luke_n have_v not_o set_v down_o what_o the_o church_n do_v observe_v but_o in_o another_o place_n we_o may_v gather_v by_o paul_n that_o they_o of_o asia_n use_v the_o hold_v up_o of_o hand_n which_o manner_n be_v usual_a with_o the_o most_o of_o the_o grecian_n wherefore_o there_o be_v no_o cause_n why_o any_o man_n shall_v overcurious_o prescribe_v here_o any_o certain_a rule_n etc._n etc._n now_o to_o rehearse_v what_o variety_n have_v be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n touch_v this_o election_n caluine_n uarietie_n use_v in_o the_o election_n in_o y_z e_z pr_v tive_a church_n caluine_n be_v needless_a it_o shall_v be_v sufficient_a only_o to_o set_v down_o that_o which_o m._n caluine_n speak_v of_o it_o in_o his_o insti_fw-la cap._n 8._o sect._n 60._o etc._n etc._n where_o first_o he_o declare_v that_o the_o rule_n of_o s._n paul_n touch_v the_o quality_n of_o a_o 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church_n io._n whitgifte_n this_o reason_n be_v build_v upon_o a_o false_a ground_n for_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o many_o pastor_n examine_v the_o second_o reason_n examine_v be_v dear_o belove_v of_o their_o flock_n which_o neither_o be_v elect_v by_o they_o desire_v of_o they_o nor_o know_v unto_o they_o before_o and_o i_o think_v very_o that_o there_o be_v not_o one_o parish_n in_o england_n which_o do_v the_o worse_a love_n or_o reverence_v their_o pastor_n in_o that_o respect_n except_v such_o only_a as_o you_o and_o your_o adherent_n have_v inflame_v not_o only_o with_o the_o spirit_n of_o discord_n but_o of_o disdain_n and_o contempt_n also_o towards_o all_o law_n order_n and_o person_n that_o be_v not_o in_o all_o point_n frame_v according_a to_o their_o imagination_n but_o will_v you_o that_o a_o papistical_a parish_n such_o as_o there_o may_v be_v diverse_a in_o england_n shall_v choose_v their_o pastor_n that_o they_o may_v love_v he_o sure_o then_o will_v they_o not_o 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offer_v twenty_o to_o one_o etc._n etc._n but_o to_o what_o purpose_n make_v you_o this_o offer_n the_o more_o difference_n there_o be_v between_o they_o the_o more_o be_v my_o cause_n iustify_v but_o you_o will_v be_v bold_a to_o show_v meehow_v that_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o break_v the_o order_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n and_o i_o will_v also_o be_v as_o bold_a to_o answer_v your_o reason_n several_o chap._n 6._o the._n 6._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 36._o sect._n 1_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n a_o church_n choose_v a_o unlearned_a minister_n or_o one_o that_o be_v wicked_a in_o life_n howesoever_o it_o be_v he_o be_v unfit_a the_o church_n round_o about_o by_o their_o minister_n or_o elder_n admonish_v this_o church_n of_o her_o fault_n and_o move_v to_o correct_v it_o the_o church_n will_v not_o by_o no_o mean_n be_v admonish_v what_o can_v now_o the_o other_o church_n do_v in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n if_o they_o excommunicate_v the_o whole_a church_n it_o 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diverse_a province_n yea_o diverse_a country_n and_o nation_n this_o be_v no_o good_a reason_n cyprian_n mislike_v the_o translate_n of_o cause_n from_o africa_n to_o rome_n ergo_fw-la there_o may_v be_v no_o cause_n remove_v from_o northampton_n to_o london_n chap._n 3._o the._n 13._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 77._o sect._n 5._o and_o whereas_o m._n doctor_n in_o both_o place_n of_o cyprian_a seem_v to_o stand_v much_o upon_o the_o word_n one_o bishop_n and_o priest_n the_o reason_n thereof_o do_v appear_v in_o another_o place_n of_o cyprian_n most_o manifest_o 13_o l_o 3._o epi._n 13_o and_o that_o it_o make_v no_o more_o to_o prove_v that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v one_o archebishop_n over_o a_o whole_a province_n than_o to_o say_v that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v but_o one_o husband_n prove_v that_o therefore_o there_o shall_v be_v but_o one_o husband_n in_o every_o country_n or_o province_n which_o shall_v see_v that_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o husband_n do_v their_o duty_n to_o their_o wife_n for_o this_o be_v the_o case_n a_o novatian_a heretic_n be_v condemn_v &_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n of_o africa_n by_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o bishop_n &_o not_o able_a by_o embassage_n send_v to_o they_o to_o obtain_v to_o be_v receyve_v to_o their_o communion_n &_o fellowship_n again_o o_v afterward_o to_o rome_n and_o be_v likewise_o there_o repel_v in_o time_n get_v himself_o by_o certain_a which_o favour_v his_o heresy_n to_o be_v choose_v bishop_n there_o at_o rome_n cornelius_n be_v the_o bishop_n or_o pastor_n of_o those_o which_o be_v there_o godly_a mind_v whereupon_o it_o come_v that_o cyprian_a urge_v one_o bishop_n one_o priest_n in_o the_o church_n because_o at_o rome_n there_o be_v two_o whereof_o one_o be_v a_o wolf_n
and_o hierome_n say_v that_o y_fw-es e_fw-es cause_v why_o among_o y_z e_z bishops_z one_z be_v choose_v to_o govern_v y_z e_o rest_n be_v to_o remedy_v schism_n do_v you_o not_o perceive_v how_o these_o two_o father_n join_v in_o one_o truth_n &_o direct_o affirm_v y_z e_o self_n same_o matter_n it_o be_v true_a y_fw-mi t_o time_n corrupt_v &_o therefore_o much_o more_o occasion_n be_v offer_v to_o appoint_v government_n according_a to_o y_z e_z time_n lest_o the_o corruption_n prevail_v &_o get_v the_o upper_a hand_n &_o for_o this_o cause_n hierome_n say_v that_o upon_o these_o corruption_n of_o time_n the_o church_n be_v constrain_v to_o appoint_v this_o order_n chap._n 3._o the._n 17._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 79._o sect._n 3_o and_o here_o i_o must_v put_v m._n doctor_n in_o remembrance_n how_o unfit_o he_o have_v dedicate_v his_o book_n unto_o y_z e_o church_n which_o have_v so_o patch_v it_o &_o peece_v it_o of_o a_o number_n of_o shredde_n of_o the_o doctor_n y_fw-fr t_o 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that_o be_v borrow_v the_o say_n of_o the_o doctor_n out_o of_o other_o man_n collection_n &_o not_o read_v y_z e_o author_n then selue_o a_o few_o book_n will_v serve_v &_o with_o very_o small_a charge_n they_o mightbe_n provide_v the_o patch_n piece_n &_o shred_n of_o doctor_n that_o be_v in_o my_o book_n be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o doctor_n themselves_o &_o they_o be_v whole_a sentence_n faithful_o allege_v but_o the_o shred_n of_o doctor_n that_o your_o book_n be_v stuff_v with_o you_o have_v borrow_v of_o other_o you_o have_v falsify_v they_o &_o cut_v they_o off_o by_o the_o half_a you_o have_v father_v upon_o they_o that_o which_o be_v not_o to_o be_v find_v in_o they_o and_o the_o word_n of_o late_a writer_n you_o have_v set_v down_o under_o the_o name_n of_o ancient_a father_n and_o the_o scripture_n you_o have_v false_o allege_v and_o untrue_o translate_v i_o will_v not_o glad_o have_v burst_v out_o into_o this_o accusation_n at_o this_o time_n be_v from_o the_o matter_n but_o that_o you_o have_v urge_v i_o thereunto_o chap._n 3._o the._n 18._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 79._o sect._n 4._o 5._o 6._o hierome_n say_v y_z e_z at_o the_o first_o a_o bishop_n &_o a_o elder_n which_o you_o call_v a_o priest_n be_v all_o one_o but_o afterward_o through_o faction_n &_o schism_n it_o be_v decree_v y_o t_o one_o shall_v rule_v over_o y_o e_o rest_n now_o i_o say_v against_o this_o order_n that_z y_z e_z bishop_n shall_v bear_v rule_n over_o all_o y_z e_z which_z our_o saviour_n christ_n say_v unto_o y_z e_o phariseis_n from_o y_z e_z beginning_z it_o be_v not_o so_o &_o therefore_o i_o require_v that_o y_z e_z first_o order_n may_v stand_v which_o be_v prax._n contr_n prax._n that_o a_o bishop_n &_o elder_n be_v all_o one_o and_o if_o you_o place_v so_o great_a authority_n against_o the_o institution_n of_o god_n in_o a_o mortal_a man_n hear_v what_o tertullian_n say_v unto_o you_o that_o be_v true_a whatsoever_o be_v first_o and_o that_o be_v false_a whatsoever_o be_v latter_a hierome_n &_o you_o confess_v y_z t_o this_o be_v first_o that_z y_z e_z bishop_z be_v all_o one_o with_o y_z e_z elder_n &_o first_o also_o by_o y_z e_z falsify_v tertullians_n meaning_n falsify_v word_n of_o god_n they_o i_o conclude_v y_fw-fr t_z that_o be_v true_a you_o both_o do_v likewise_o confess_v y_z t_z it_o come_v after_o that_o one_o bare_a rule_n over_o the_o rest_n than_o i_o conclude_v y_z e_z that_o be_v false_a for_o all_o that_o be_v false_a that_o be_v latter_a furthermore_o hierome_n in_o the_o same_o place_n of_o titus_n say_v after_o this_o sort_n as_z y_z e_z elder_n know_v themselves_o to_o be_v subject_a by_o a_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n unto_o he_o that_o be_v set_v over_o they_o so_o the_o bishop_n must_v know_v that_o they_o be_v great_a than_o the_o elder_n rather_o by_o custom_n than_o by_o any_o truth_n of_o the_o instatution_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o so_o they_o ought_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n in_o common_a io._n whitgifte_n it_o follow_v after_o in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o admonition_n that_o there_o be_v superiority_n among_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n e_o en_fw-fr in_o the_o apostle_n time_n which_o i_o 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o ripture_n &_o other_o testimony_n it_o be_v also_o 〈◊〉_d that_o great_a faction_n &_o schi_n mes_fw-fr do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n even_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n &_o therefore_o most_o like_a these_o that_o icrome_n sp_z k_v of_o to_o have_v be_v they_o determine_v the_o which_o to_o be_v true_a his_o word_n ad_fw-la 〈◊〉_d touch_v y_z e_o church_n of_o alexandria_n do_v evident_o declare_v for_o he_o say_v you_o to_o this_o order_n be_v keep_v 〈◊〉_d from_o s._n mark_n but_o admit_v these_o be_v not_o true_a which_o you_o will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v yet_o your_o argument_n be_v of_o no_o force_n &_o the_o place_n of_o tertullian_n be_v not_o understand_v for_o tertullian_n in_o that_o book_n after_o he_o have_v repeat_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v to_o believe_v in_o ▪_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ▪_o one_o god_n and_o in_o his_o son_n jesus_n ch_n ist_fw-mi etc._n etc._n he_o say_v that_o this_o rule_n have_v come_v from_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o gospel_n even_o before_o all_o former_a heretic_n much_o more_o before_o 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v but_o yesterdaye_n as_o well_o the_o posterity_n of_o all_o heretic_n as_o the_o very_a novelty_n of_o 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v of_o late_o will_v prove_v whereby_o judgement_n may_v hereof_o be_v indifferent_o give_v against_o all_o heresy_n that_o that_o be_v true_a whatsoever_o be_v first_o &_o that_o count_n rfeit_v whatsoever_o be_v last_o whereby_o it_o be_v e_o ident_a that_o tertullians_n rule_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v in_o matter_n of_o salvation_n veland_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d s_o ode_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d gin_n veland_n &_o of_o faith_n &_o not_o in_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n &_o kind_n of_o government_n which_o thing_n he_o himself_o in_o plain_a word_n declare_v in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr virginibus_fw-la velandis_fw-la where_o in_o like_a manner_n after_o he_o have_v recite_v this_o rule_n of_o faith_n he_o add_v this_o law_n of_o aith_v remain_v other_o thing_n of_o discipline_n &_o conversation_n admit_v newness_n of_o correction_n the_o grace_n of_o god_n work_v and_o go_v forward_o even_o to_o the_o end_n so_o that_o tertullian_n think_v that_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n and_o discipline_n may_v be_v alter_v y_o e_fw-la rule_n of_o faith_n remain_v 〈◊〉_d notwithstanding_o his_o former_a rule_n if_o you_o will_v not_o have_v this_o to_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o tertullian_n then_o will_v i_o reason_v thus_o 〈◊〉_d the_o reason_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d
same_o book_n quote_v in_o like_a manner_n but_o let_v it_o be_v of_o ignorance_n you_o take_v occasion_n by_o it_o to_o utter_v your_o cynical_a 〈◊〉_d but_o to_o your_o own_o shame_n the_o place_n allege_v make_v much_o for_o my_o purpose_n for_o it_o prove_v superiority_n to_o have_v 〈◊〉_d among_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o that_o it_o may_v be_v among_o minister_n which_o you_o deny_v ▪_o and_o i_o affirm_v which_o also_o be_v grant_v as_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v whatsoever_o i_o affirm_v either_o of_o archbyshop_n or_o bishop_n will_v soon_o be_v pron_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v the_o proof_n of_o this_o new_a devise_n of_o you_o in_o solute_v this_o and_o such_o like_a place_n that_o one_o rule_v the_o action_n etc._n etc._n chap._n 3._o the._n 44._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 84._o sect._n 3_o and_o that_o it_o may_v appear_v what_o superiority_n it_o be_v which_o be_v lawful_a among_o the_o minister_n and_o what_o it_o be_v that_o m._n caluine_n speak_v of_o what_o also_o the_o father_n and_o counsel_n do_v mean_a when_o they_o give_v more_o to_o the_o bishop_n of_o any_o one_o church_n than_o to_o the_o elder_a of_o the_o same_o church_n and_o that_o no_o man_n be_v deceive_v by_o the_o name_n of_o governoure_n or_o ruler_n over_o the_o rest_n to_o fansic_v any_o such_o authority_n and_o domination_n or_o lordship_n as_o we_o see_v use_v in_o our_o church_n it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v that_o among_o the_o pastor_n elder_n and_o beacon_n of_o every_o particular_a church_n and_o in_o the_o meeting_n and_o company_n of_o the_o minister_n or_o elder_n of_o diverse_a church_n before_o church_n this_o be_v a_o devise_n never_o hard_a or_o before_o there_o be_v one_o choose_v by_o the_o voice_n and_o suffrage_n of_o they_o all_o or_o the_o most_o pair_v which_o do_v propound_v the_o matter_n that_o be_v to_o be_v handy_v whether_o they_o be_v difficulty_n to_o be_v solute_v or_o punishment_n and_o censure_n to_o be_v decree_v upon_o those_o which_o have_v fault_v or_o whether_o there_o be_v election_n to_o be_v make_v or_o what_o other_o matter_n soever_o occasion_n be_v give_v to_o entreat_v of_o the_o which_o also_o gather_v the_o voice_n and_o reason_n of_o those_o which_o have_v interest_n to_o speak_v in_o such_o case_n which_o also_o do_v pronounce_v according_a to_o the_o number_n of_o the_o voice_n which_o be_v give_v which_o be_v also_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o rest_n to_o admonish_v or_o to_o comfort_n or_o to_o rebuke_v sharp_o such_o as_o be_v to_o receule_fw-fr admonishment_n consolation_n or_o rebuke_v and_o which_o in_o a_o word_n do_v moderate_v that_o whole_a action_n which_o be_v do_v for_o the_o time_n they_o be_v assemble_v which_o thing_n we_o do_v not_o deny_v may_v be_v but_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v fit_v and_o necessary_a to_o be_v to_o the_o avoid_n of_o confusion_n io._n whitgifte_n all_o this_o be_v speak_v of_o your_o own_o head_n and_o a_o devise_n without_o proof_n or_o reason_n as_o yet_o and_o contrary_a to_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o history_n counsel_n and_o father_n affirm_v by_o no_o learned_a writer_n as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v hitherto_o allege_v out_o of_o the_o canon_n attribute_v to_o the_o apostle_n the_o council_n also_o of_o nice_a antioch_n arelat_n carthage_n chalcedon_n likewise_o out_o of_o cyprian_a eusebius_n epiphanius_n athanasius_n gregory_n nazian_n ambrose_n jerome_n socrates_n sozom._n theodoret_n caluin_n illiricus_fw-la all_o which_o manifest_o declare_v that_o the_o office_n of_o a_o archbishop_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o a_o bishop_n be_v permanent_a and_o affix_v to_o certain_a place_n not_o movable_a nor_o during_o one_o action_n only_o and_o undoubted_o i_o marvel_n what_o urge_v you_o to_o such_o absurd_a and_o unlearned_a paradox_n unless_o it_o be_v ignorance_n and_o lack_n of_o read_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v your_o reason_n chap._n 3._o the._n 45._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 84._o sect._n 3_o for_o it_o be_v a_o absurd_a hear_n that_o many_o shall_v at_o once_o attempt_v to_o speak_v neither_o can_v it_o proof_n a_o needless_a proof_n be_v do_v without_o great_a reproach_n that_o many_o man_n begin_v to_o speak_v some_o shall_v be_v bid_v to_o hold_v their_o peace_n which_o will_v come_v to_o pass_v if_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o order_n keep_v nor_o none_o to_o appoint_v when_o every_o one_o shall_v speak_v or_o not_o to_o put_v they_o to_o silence_n when_o they_o attempt_v confuse_o to_o speak_v and_o out_o of_o order_n moreover_o when_o many_o minister_n meet_v together_o and_o in_o so_o great_a diversity_n of_o gift_n as_o the_o lord_n have_v give_v to_o his_o church_n there_o be_v find_v that_o excel_v in_o memory_n facility_n of_o tongue_n and_o expedition_n or_o quickness_n to_o dispatch_v matter_n more_o than_o the_o rest_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v fit_n that_o the_o brethren_n that_o have_v that_o dexterity_n shall_v especial_o be_v prefer_v unto_o this_o office_n that_o 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tell_v you_o the_o truth_n it_o may_v be_v use_v in_o place_n where_o there_o be_v no_o government_n no_o law_n no_o form_n of_o a_o common_a wealth_n no_o order_n but_o in_o a_o kingdom_n in_o a_o church_n und_fw-ge r_o civil_a government_n in_o a_o place_n of_o order_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v the_o very_a high_a way_n to_o subversion_n and_o confusion_n chap._n 3._o the._n 46._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 85._o sect._n 1_o and_o if_o any_o man_n will_v call_v this_o ▪_o this_o and_o what_o scripture_n hau_o you_o for_o this_o ▪_o a_o rule_n or_o presidentship_n and_o he_o that_o execute_v this_o office_n precedent_n or_o moderator_n or_o a_o governor_n we_o will_v not_o strive_v so_o that_o it_o be_v with_o these_o caution_n that_o he_o be_v not_o call_v simple_o governor_n or_o moderator_n but_o governor_n or_o moderator_n of_o that_o action_n and_o for_o that_o time_n and_o subject_a to_o the_o order_n that_o other_o be_v and_o to_o be_v censure_v by_o the_o company_n of_o the_o brethren_n as_o well_o as_o other_o if_o he_o be_v judge_v any_o way_n faulty_a and_o that_o after_o that_o action_n end_v and_o meet_v dissolve_v he_o sit_v he_o down_o in_o his_o old_a place_n and_o set_v himself_o in_o equal_a estate_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n three_o that_o this_o government_n or_o presidentship_n or_o whatsoever_o like_a name_n you_o will_v gyve_v it_o be_v not_o so_o tie_v unto_o that_o minister_n but_o that_o at_o the_o next_o meeting_n it_o shall_v be_v lawful_a to_o take_v another_o if_o another_o be_v think_v meet_a io._n whitgifte_n these_o caution_n be_v meet_v for_o such_o a_o devise_n and_o apt_a for_o a_o tumultuous_a company_n and_o a_o congregation_n of_o proud_a and_o arrogant_a person_n that_o can_v abide_v any_o superiority_n or_o government_n this_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v of_o and_o it_o be_v evident_a both_o by_o that_o which_o be_v already_o speak_v and_o that_o which_o be_v to_o be_v say_v herea_fw-la ter_z that_o there_o can_v neither_o pattern_n nor_o only_o bishops_n governor_n simple_o not_o of_o one_o action_n only_o form_n be_v find_v of_o it_o in_o any_o church_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n record_v in_o any_o writer_n of_o credit_n but_o the_o clean_a contrary_n for_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n do_v both_o call_v bishop_n governor_n simple_o and_o manifest_o also_o declare_v that_o their_o office_n of_o government_n be_v not_o for_o one_o action_n only_o but_o during_o their_o life_n or_o at_o the_o least_o during_o their_o continuance_n in_o that_o seat_n or_o bishopric_n ▪_o and_o it_o be_v plain_a by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v say_v before_o that_o the_o office_n of_o the_o metropolitan_a which_o be_v to_o call_v synod_n and_o to_o moderate_v they_o to_o ordain_v place_n the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ix_v
authorem_fw-la universorum_fw-la &_o dominum_fw-la episcopum_fw-la autem_fw-la ut_fw-la sacerdotum_fw-la principem_fw-la imagi_n they_o dei_fw-la ferentem_fw-la dei_fw-la quidem_fw-la per_fw-la principatum_fw-la christi_fw-la verò_fw-la per_fw-la sacerdotium_fw-la honour_n god_n as_o the_o author_n and_o lord_n of_o all_o thing_n and_o a_o bishop_n as_o the_o chief_a of_o priest_n bear_v the_o image_n of_o god_n of_o god_n because_o of_o his_o superiority_n of_o christ_n by_o reason_n of_o his_o priesthood_n and_o a_o little_a after_o let_v lay_v man_n be_v subject_n to_o deacon_n deacon_n to_o priest_n and_o priest_n to_o bishop_n the_o bishop_n to_o christ._n and_o again_o let_v no_o man_n do_v any_o thing_n which_o perteyn_v to_o the_o church_n without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o bishop_n and_o again_o he_o that_o attempt_v to_o do_v any_o thing_n without_o the_o bishop_n break_v peace_n and_o confound_v good_a order_n the_o like_a say_n he_o have_v in_o his_o epistle_n ad_fw-la magnesianos_fw-la these_o three_o epistle_n do_v eusebius_n make_v mention_n of_o lib._n 3._o cap._n 35._o &_o 36._o and_o hiero._n de_fw-fr viris_fw-la illustribus_fw-la t._n c._n pag._n 87._o sect._n 4._o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n although_o you_o take_v up_o the_o author_n of_o the_o admonition_n for_o want_n of_o logic_n for_o you_o utter_v great_a skill_n yourself_o in_o writing_n which_o keep_v no_o order_n but_o confound_v your_o reader_n in_o that_o thing_n which_o even_o the_o common_a logic_n of_o the_o country_n which_o be_v reason_n may_v have_v direct_v you_o in_o for_o what_o a_o confusion_n of_o time_n be_v this_o to_o begin_v with_o cyprian_a and_o then_o come_v to_o jerome_n and_o chrysostome_n and_o after_o to_o the_o scripture_n and_o back_o again_o to_o ignatius_n that_o be_v before_o cyprian_a which_o time_n be_v ill_o dispose_v of_o you_o and_o that_o in_o a_o matter_n wherein_o it_o stand_v you_o upon_o to_o have_v observe_v the_o order_n of_o the_o time_n io._n whitgifte_n be_v patient_a a_o while_n the_o matter_n be_v not_o great_a the_o author_n be_v know_v and_o the_o answer_n the_o order_n ob_n serve_v in_o place_v the_o authority_n in_o y_o e_o answer_n antiquity_n of_o they_o my_o mind_n be_v of_o the_o matter_n and_o there_o be_v reason_n why_o i_o shall_v thus_o place_v they_o cyprian_n tell_v the_o necessity_n of_o such_o superiority_n and_o so_o do_v chrysostome_n hierome_n the_o cause_n and_o the_o original_n paul_n timothy_n and_o titus_n be_v example_n hereof_o ignatius_n and_o the_o rest_n be_v bring_v in_o as_o witness_n of_o the_o continuance_n of_o such_o office_n and_o superiority_n in_o the_o church_n even_o from_o the_o apostle_n now_o first_o to_o prove_v the_o name_n of_o these_o office_n not_o to_o be_v antichristian_a then_o to_o show_v the_o necessity_n of_o the_o office_n three_o the_o cause_n and_o last_o of_o all_o to_o declare_v the_o use_n of_o the_o same_o to_o have_v be_v in_o the_o church_n even_o from_o s._n paul_n time_n to_o this_o hour_n be_v to_o keep_v a_o better_a order_n than_o you_o shall_v be_v able_a to_o disorder_v with_o all_o the_o logic_n rhetoric_n and_o hot_a eloquence_n you_o have_v chap._n 3._o the._n 61._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 87._o sect._n 4._o but_o as_o for_o ignatius_n place_n it_o be_v sufficient_o answer_v before_o in_o that_o which_o be_v answer_v to_o cyprian_n his_o place_n for_o when_o he_o say_v the_o bishop_n have_v rule_v over_o all_o he_o mean_v no_o more_o all_o in_o the_o province_n than_o in_o all_o the_o world_n but_o mean_v that_o flock_n and_o congregation_n whereof_o he_o be_v bishop_n or_o minister_n and_o when_o be_v call_v he_o prince_n of_o the_o priest_n although_o the_o title_n be_v to_o excessive_a and_o big_a condemn_v by_o cyprian_a and_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n yet_o he_o mean_v no_o more_o the_o prince_n of_o all_o in_o the_o diocese_n as_o we_o take_v it_o or_o of_o the_o province_n than_o he_o mean_v the_o prince_n of_o all_o the_o priest_n in_o the_o world_n but_o he_o mean_v those_o fellow_n minister_n and_o elder_n that_o have_v the_o rule_n and_o government_n of_o that_o particular_a church_n and_o congregation_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o bishop_n as_o the_o great_a church_n have_v for_o the_o most_o part_n both_o elder_n which_o govern_v only_o and_o minister_n also_o to_o aid_v one_o a_o other_o and_o the_o principality_n that_o he_o which_o they_o call_v the_o bishop_n have_v over_o the_o rest_n have_v be_v before_o at_o large_a declare_v io._n whitgifte_n you_o very_o light_o shake_v of_o ignatius_n word_n but_o they_o have_v more_o pith_n in_o they_o if_o it_o please_v you_o better_a to_o consider_v of_o they_o for_o he_o make_v degree_n of_o minister_n and_o the_o bishop_n to_o be_v the_o chief_a he_o place_v deacon_n under_o priest_n and_o priest_n under_o bishop_n so_o that_o he_o give_v to_o the_o bishop_n superiority_n and_o government_n over_o both_o priest_n and_o deacon_n which_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o this_o cause_n and_o it_o be_v grant_v as_o it_o must_v needs_o neither_o can_v this_o authority_n of_o ignatius_n be_v avoid_v aerius_n heresy_n fall_v and_o so_o do_v your_o whole_a assertion_n what_o be_v mean_v by_o prince_n of_o priest_n ignatius_n himself_o declare_v say_v obtinens_fw-la principatum_fw-la &_o potestatem_fw-la supra_fw-la omnes_fw-la have_v chiefty_a and_o power_n over_o all_o how_o this_o name_n may_v be_v well_o use_v i_o have_v show_v before_o where_o i_o have_v also_o declare_v the_o meaning_n of_o cyprian_n word_n utter_v in_o the_o heretical_a council_n of_o carthage_n and_o therefore_o not_o count_v in_o the_o number_n of_o those_o counsel_n chap._n 3._o the._n 62._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 88_o sect._n 1._o 2._o but_o m._n doctor_n do_v not_o remember_v that_o while_o he_o thus_o reason_v for_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o bishop_n he_o overthrow_v his_o archbishop_n quite_o and_o clean_o for_o ignatius_n will_v have_v none_o above_o the_o bishop_n but_o christ_n and_o he_o will_v have_v a_o archbishop_n i_o see_v a_o man_n can_v well_o serve_v two_o master_n but_o either_o he_o must_v displease_v the_o one_o and_o please_v the_o other_o or_o by_o please_v of_o one_o offend_v the_o other_o for_o m._n doctor_n will_v fain_o please_v and_o uphold_v both_o and_o yet_o his_o proo_o es_fw-mi be_v such_o that_o every_o prop_n that_o he_o set_v under_o one_o be_v a_o axe_n to_o strike_v at_o the_o other_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o remember_v it_o very_o well_o and_o i_o know_v that_o a_o archbishop_n be_v a_o bishop_n and_o that_o therefore_o there_o may_v be_v superiority_n among_o bishop_n and_o yet_o nothing_o detract_v from_o the_o word_n of_o ignatius_n i_o know_v likewise_o that_o as_o well_o the_o one_o as_o the_o other_o be_v condemn_v by_o you_o and_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v that_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o one_o be_v the_o proof_n of_o the_o other_o and_o therefore_o m._n doctor_n may_v well_o serve_v two_o master_n but_o they_o be_v such_o as_o be_v not_o only_o not_o contrary_a one_o to_o the_o other_o but_o so_o near_o link_v and_o join_v together_o that_o what_o soever_o please_v the_o one_o do_v also_o please_v the_o other_o m._n doctor_n prop_n and_o proof_n be_v such_o as_o m._n t._n c._n be_v compel_v to_o use_v rail_v &_o flout_v in_o stead_n of_o answer_v which_o be_v a_o shift_n but_o how_o honest_a and_o christian_n let_v the_o world_n judge_v chap._n 3._o the._n 63._o division_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 73._o sect._n 1_o justinus_n martyr_n one_o of_o the_o most_o ancient_a writer_n of_o the_o greek_n martyr_n justine_n martyr_n in_o his_o second_o apology_n ad_fw-la antoninum_fw-la pium_fw-la allow_v this_o superiority_n &_o call_v he_o that_o bare_a rule_n over_o the_o other_o minister_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d t._n c._n pag._n 88_o sect._n 2._o but_o that_o m._n doctor_n delit_v always_o where_o he_o may_v fetch_v at_o the_o fountain_n to_o be_v rake_v in_o ditch_n he_o need_v not_o to_o have_v go_v to_o justine_n martyr_n for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d when_o as_o s._n paul_n call_v ▪_o 1._o tim._n 5_z ▪_o the_o minister_n and_o elder_n by_o this_o title_n and_o if_o this_o place_n of_o justine_n make_v for_o a_o archbishop_n then_o in_o stead_n of_o a_o archbishop_n in_o every_o province_n we_o shall_v have_v one_o in_o every_o congregation_n for_o justine_n declare_v there_o the_o leyturgie_n or_o manner_n of_o serve_v god_n that_o be_v in_o every_o church_n use_v of_o the_o christian_n and_o i_o pray_v you_o let_v it_o be_v consider_v what_o be_v the_o office_n of_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o see_v whether_o there_o be_v any_o resemblance_n in_o the_o world_n between_o he_o and_o a_o archbishop_n for_o he_o place_v his_o office_n to_o be_v in_o
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sing_v esau_n himself_o receyve_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n notwithstanding_o he_o be_v before_o reject_v 9_o rom._n 9_o and_o that_o his_o posterity_n be_v not_o so_o far_o estrange_v from_o the_o people_n of_o god_n as_o those_o that_o never_o be_v in_o the_o church_n it_o may_v appear_v by_o that_o which_o be_v write_v in_o deutronomie_n where_o the_o israelite_n be_v will_v to_o acknowledge_v they_o for_o their_o etc._n deut._n 23._o vers_fw-la 7._o 8._o the_o papist_n lie_v e_o o_o the_o 〈◊〉_d v_o der_fw-mi jeroboani_n etc._n etc._n brethren_n and_o to_o admit_v their_o child_n in_o the_o third_o generation_n into_o the_o congregation_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o yet_o be_v not_o the_o papist_n like_v unto_o ishmael_n and_o esau_n but_o rather_o the_o same_o with_o the_o israelite_n under_o jeroboam_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o as_o they_o profess_v the_o law_n of_o moses_n have_v circumcision_n and_o be_v not_o in_o all_o point_n strange_a from_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o jew_n but_o yet_o join_v thereunto_o idolatry_n and_o the_o false_a worship_v of_o god_n even_o so_o the_o papist_n pretend_v the_o law_n of_o god_n use_v the_o sacrament_n profess_v christianity_n and_o be_v not_o in_o all_o point_n strange_a from_o christian_a faith_n but_o yet_o have_v corrupt_v the_o same_o with_o idolatrous_a worship_v and_o diverse_a other_o kind_n of_o superstition_n and_o error_n therefore_o say_v m._n beza_n very_o well_o in_o the_o word_n before_o recite_v 10._o beza_n epist._n 10._o papismus_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la christianae_n aberratio_fw-la papisme_n be_v the_o err_a of_o the_o christian_a church_n and_o ecclesia_fw-la est_fw-la velut_fw-la immersa_fw-la in_o papatu_fw-la quod_fw-la de_fw-fr turcis_n dici_fw-la nullo_n modo_fw-la potest_fw-la qui_fw-la nunquà m_fw-la cbristo_fw-la nomen_fw-la dederunt_fw-la the_o church_n be_v as_o it_o be_v cover_v or_o drown_v in_o papisme_n which_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v say_v of_o turk_n which_o never_o give_v 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church_n neither_o have_v i_o write_v one_o word_n tend_v to_o that_o end_n but_o this_o i_o say_v again_o whether_o the_o apostle_n mean_v one_o ruler_n in_o every_o congregation_n or_o mo_z be_v not_o here_o determine_v and_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n as_o i_o have_v say_v why_o in_o this_o place_n of_o the_o apostle_n this_o word_n governor_n may_v not_o either_o signify_v the_o christian_a magistrate_n o_o ecclesiastical_a as_o archbishop_n bishop_n or_o whatsoever_o other_o by_o lawful_a authority_n be_v appoint_v in_o the_o church_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o reason_n to_o be_v show_v why_o he_o shall_v rather_o mean_v your_o senior_n than_o any_o other_o magistrate_n sure_o i_o be_o that_o there_o be_v learn_v man_n which_o think_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o this_o word_n do_v comprehend_v ecclesiae_fw-la
point_n wherein_o the_o question_n especial_o lie_v which_o be_v whether_o this_o function_n be_v perpetual_a and_o aught_o to_o remain_v always_o in_o the_o church_n and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v by_o the_o way_n that_o whereas_o there_o be_v dyvers_a sort_n of_o adversary_n to_o this_o discipline_n o_o the_o church_n m._n doctor_n be_v among_o the_o worst_a for_o there_o be_v that_o say_v that_o this_o order_n may_v be_v use_v or_o not_o use_v now_o at_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n but_o m._n doctor_n say_v that_o this_o order_n be_v not_o for_o these_o time_n but_o only_o for_o those_o time_n when_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o so_o do_v flat_o pinch_n at_o those_o church_n which_o have_v christian_n magistrate_n yet_o notwithstanding_o retain_v this_o order_n still_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o say_v so_o still_o and_o i_o be_o able_a to_o defend_v my_o say_n against_o all_o that_o you_o have_v show_v to_o the_o contrary_n and_o yet_o do_v i_o not_o pinch_n at_o any_o church_n that_o use_v it_o if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o so_o that_o they_o have_v the_o consent_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n who_o may_v if_o he_o will_v depart_v from_o his_o right_n &_o abridge_v himself_o of_o the_o authority_n commit_v unto_o he_o by_o god_n but_o he_o need_v not_o so_o do_v except_o he_o listen_v and_o whether_o it_o be_v well_o do_v or_o no_o i_o will_v not_o determine_v this_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v of_o that_o in_o a_o monarchy_n &_o in_o a_o kingdom_n such_o as_o this_o realm_n of_o england_n be_v it_o can_v not_o be_v practise_v without_o untollerable_a contention_n &_o extreme_a confusion_n except_o you_o can_v devise_v to_o make_v every_o several_a parish_n a_o kingdom_n within_o itself_o and_o exempt_v it_o from_o all_o ecclestastical_a &_o civil_a jurisdiction_n of_o prince_n prelate_n &_o whosoever_o which_o undoubted_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v your_o seek_v as_o will_v appear_v hereafter_o chap._n 2._o the._n 2._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 139._o sect._n ult._n &_o pag._n 140._o sect._n 1_o and_o to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o vanity_n of_o this_o distinction_n which_o be_v that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v senior_n or_o ancient_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n &_o not_o of_o peace_n under_o tyrant_n &_o not_o under_o christian_n magistrate_n may_v appear_v the_o cause_n why_o these_o senior_n or_o ancient_n be_v appoint_v in_o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v consider_v which_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v for_o that_o the_o pastor_n not_o be_v able_a to_o oversee_v all_o himself_o &_o to_o have_v his_o eye_n in_o every_o corner_n of_o the_o church_n &_o place_n where_o y_o e_o churches_n abode_n may_v be_v help_v of_o the_o ancient_n wherein_o the_o wonderful_a love_n of_o god_n towards_o his_o church_n do_v manifest_o appear_v that_o for_o the_o great_a assurance_n of_o the_o salvation_n of_o he_o do_v not_o content_v himself_o to_o appoint_v one_o only_a ourseer_n of_o every_o church_n but_o many_o over_o every_o church_n and_o therefore_o see_v that_o the_o pastor_n be_v now_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n not_o able_a to_o oversee_v all_o himself_o nor_o his_o eye_n can_v not_o be_v in_o every_o place_n of_o the_o parish_n present_a to_o behold_v the_o behaviour_n of_o the_o people_n it_o follow_v that_o as_o well_o now_o as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n as_o well_o under_o a_o christian_n prince_n as_o under_o a_o tyrant_n the_o office_n of_o a_o ancient_a or_o senior_n be_v require_v onlesse_a you_o will_v say_v that_o god_n have_v less_o care_n of_o his_o church_n in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o under_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n than_o he_o have_v in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n and_o under_o a_o tyrant_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o say_v there_o may_v be_v senior_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n when_o there_o be_v no_o christian_n magistrate_n not_o that_o there_o aught_o of_o necessity_n to_o be_v god_n have_v provide_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o other_o gonernour_n to_o punish_v and_o to_o correct_v vice_n and_o other_o disorder_n in_o the_o church_n who_o have_v his_o officer_n and_o deputy_n in_o every_o place_n for_o that_o purpose_n neither_o may_v the_o pastor_n or_o any_o other_o to_o who_o that_o charge_n be_v not_o commit_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n usurp_v that_o office_n unto_o themselves_o wherefore_o that_o cause_n by_o you_o allege_v be_v no_o cause_n at_o all_o why_o there_o shall_v be_v any_o such_o senior_n where_o there_o be_v christian_n magistrate_n neither_o be_v that_o kind_n of_o government_n any_o part_n of_o the_o pastor_n charge_n the_o pastor_n if_o he_o be_v a_o meet_a man_n be_v able_a to_o o_o all_o that_o that_o be_v require_v of_o a_o pastor_n else_o may_v it_o be_v say_v which_o you_o before_o deny_v that_o god_n appoint_v office_n &_o function_n and_o give_v not_o sufficient_a gift_n to_o execute_v &_o do_v they_o neither_o can_v it_o be_v say_v that_o god_n have_v esse_fw-la care_n of_o his_o church_n when_o he_o place_v civil_a and_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o the_o stead_n of_o senior_n than_o when_o he_o place_v senior_n and_o leave_v it_o destitute_a of_o christian_a mastrate_n for_o one_o of_o the_o most_o ingular_a benefit_n that_o god_n bestow_v on_o his_o church_n in_o this_o world_n be_v that_o he_o give_v unto_o it_o christian_n king_n &_o prince_n from_o who_o office_n and_o authority_n whosoever_o do_v detract_v and_o withdraw_v we_o any_o thing_n iniuri_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n and_o show_v himself_o unthankful_a for_o so_o great_a a_o benefit_n chap._n 2._o the._n 3._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 140._o sect._n 1_o in_o deed_n if_o so_o be_v the_o auncientes_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n &_o under_o a_o tyrant_n have_v meddle_v with_o any_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n or_o have_v supply_v the_o room_n of_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n in_o handle_v of_o any_o of_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v unto_o he_o than_o there_o have_v be_v some_o cause_n why_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n be_v i_o the_o church_n the_o office_n of_o the_o senior_n or_o at_o the_o least_o so_o much_o as_o he_o exercise_v of_o the_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n shall_v have_v cease_v but_o when_o as_o the_o ancient_a neither_o do_v nor_o by_o any_o manner_n may_v meddle_v with_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v unto_o a_o magistrate_n no_o more_o under_o a_o tyrant_n than_o under_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o the_o magistrate_n enter_v into_o the_o church_n the_o elder_a shall_v be_v therefore_o thrust_v out_o scripture_n out_o where_o find_v you_o this_o in_o all_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o elder_n office_n be_v to_o admonish_v several_o those_o that_o do_v amiss_o to_o comfort_v those_o which_o he_o see_v weak_a and_o shake_a and_o to_o have_v need_n of_o comfort_n to_o assist_v the_o pastor_n in_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n of_o reprehension_n sharp_a or_o mild_a as_o the_o fault_n require_v also_o to_o assist_v in_o the_o suspention_n from_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n until_o some_o trial_n be_v have_v of_o the_o repentance_n of_o that_o party_n which_o have_v confess_v himself_o to_o have_v offend_v or_o else_o if_o he_o remain_v stubborn_a to_o assist_v he_o in_o the_o excommunication_n these_o be_v those_o thing_n which_o the_o elder_a do_v which_o for_o so_o much_o as_o they_o may_v do_v as_o well_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n as_o under_o a_o tyrant_n as_o well_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n it_o follow_v that_o as_o touch_v the_o office_n of_o elder_n there_o be_v no_o distinction_n in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o persecution_n of_o a_o christian_n prince_n and_o of_o a_o tyrant_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o will_v glad_o know_v by_o what_o place_n of_o scripture_n you_o can_v i_o stifie_v this_o office_n that_o you_o matter_n the_o office_n ascri_fw-la ed_z to_z senior_n 〈◊〉_d the_o gistrate_n o_o his_o authoriti_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n here_o appoint_v unto_o senior_n in_o so_o weighty_a a_o matter_n in_o my_o judgement_n you_o shall_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v use_v some_o authority_n of_o scripture_n or_o other_o ancient_a writer_n the_o admonition_n say_v that_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n be_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n to_o consult_v to_o admo_fw-la sh_n to_o correct_v &_o to_o order_v all_o thing_n appertain_a to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o congregation_n which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a i_o pray_v you_o what_o authority_n remain_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a and_o church_n matter_n in_o d_o ede_fw-mi if_o you_o make_v such_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o church_n &_o
the_o common_a wealth_n the_o ci_fw-fr ill_a magistrate_n &_o the_o ecclesiastical_a as_o you_o do_v throughout_o your_o whole_a book_n it_o be_v not_o mar_v ell_n though_o you_o think_v turk_n no_o more_o authoriti_n 〈◊〉_d ed_z to_o a_o i_fw-mi istian_a magistrate_n tha_z t_o the_o turk_n the_o office_n of_o senior_n to_o be_v perpetual_a for_o you_o give_v no_o more_o authority_n to_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a government_n than_o you_o will_v do_v to_o the_o turk_n if_o you_o be_v under_o he_o and_o therefore_o according_a to_o your_o platform_n the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v all_o one_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n and_o under_o the_o great_a turk_n but_o to_o l_o have_v the_o admonition_n what_o have_v you_o speak_v of_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n which_o be_v not_o either_o proper_a to_o the_o pastor_n or_o common_a to_o all_o christian_n or_o such_o as_o may_v be_v much_o better_o bring_v to_o pass_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n than_o by_o the_o ignorance_n simplicity_n and_o rudeness_n of_o the_o most_o of_o your_o senior_n but_o first_o let_v we_o hear_v more_o of_o your_o 〈◊〉_d before_o we_o come_v to_o utter_v the_o absurdity_n of_o your_o cause_n chap._n 2._o the._n 4._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 140._o in_o the_o midst_n but_o i_o will_v yet_o come_v near_o that_o without_o the_o which_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v be_v necessary_a and_o always_o to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o church_n but_o the_o office_n of_o ancient_n &_o elder_n be_v such_o as_o without_o which_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v not_o be_v exercise_v therefore_o it_o follow_v that_o this_o office_n be_v necessary_a that_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v without_o this_o order_n of_o ancient_n it_o may_v appear_v for_o that_o he_o which_o have_v fault_v and_o amend_v not_o after_o he_o be_v admonish_v once_o pri_fw-la ate_o and_o then_o before_o one_o witness_n or_o two_o can_v further_o be_v proceed_v against_o 18._o math._n 18._o according_a to_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n onlesse_a there_o be_v in_o the_o church_n ancient_n d_o elder_n therefore_o this_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n which_o tend_v to_o the_o amendment_n of_o he_o which_o have_v not_o profit_v by_o those_o two_o former_a admonition_n can_v not_o be_v exercise_v without_o they_o for_o it_o be_v command_v of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o in_o such_o a_o case_n when_o a_o brother_n do_v not_o profit_n by_o these_o two_o warning_n it_o shall_v be_v tell_v the_o church_n now_o i_o will_v ask_v who_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o church_n here_o if_o he_o say_v by_o the_o church_n be_v mean_v all_o y_fw-mi e_z people_n than_o i_o will_v ask_v how_o a_o man_n can_v convenient_o complayn_v to_o all_o the_o whole_a congregation_n or_o how_o can_v the_o whole_a congregation_n convenient_o meet_v to_o decide_v of_o this_o matter_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o the_o people_n have_v a_o interest_n in_o the_o excommunication_n as_o shall_v be_v note_v hereafter_o but_o the_o matter_n be_v not_o so_o far_o come_v for_o he_o must_v first_o refuse_v to_o obey_v the_o admonition_n of_o the_o church_n or_o ever_o they_o can_v proceed_v so_o far_o well_o if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o people_n that_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o church_n who_o be_v it_o i_o hear_v m._n doctor_n say_v it_o be_v the_o pastor_n but_o if_o he_o will_v say_v so_o &_o speak_v so_o strange_o he_o must_v warrant_v it_o with_o some_o other_o place_n of_o scripture_n where_o the_o church_n be_v take_v for_o one_o which_o be_v as_o much_o to_o say_v as_o one_o man_n be_v many_o one_o member_n be_v a_o body_n one_o alone_o be_v a_o company_n and_o beside_o this_o strangeness_n of_o speech_n it_o be_v clean_o contrary_a to_o the_o meaning_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n and_o destroy_v the_o soveraintie_n of_o the_o medicine_n which_o our_o 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it_o be_v say_v tell_v 17_o tell_v math._n 18._o 17_o the_o church_n now_o it_o be_v speak_v complain_v to_o my_o lord_n grace_n primate_n and_o metropolitan_a of_o all_o england_n or_o to_o his_o inferior_a my_o lord_n bishop_n of_o the_o diocese_n if_o not_o to_o he_o show_v the_o chancellor_n or_o official_a or_o commissary_n or_o doctor_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 135._o sect._n 1_o as_o it_o be_v say_v then_o so_o ought_v you_o and_o may_v you_o say_v now_o in_o private_a offence_n if_o private_a admonition_n will_v not_o serve_v then_o must_v you_o declare_v they_o to_o the_o church_n either_o by_o reprehend_v of_o they_o public_o before_o the_o whole_a congregation_n if_o you_o be_v call_v thereunto_o for_o that_o be_v church_n church_n signify_v those_o that_o have_v authority_n in_o the_o church_n one_o kind_n of_o tell_v the_o church_n or_o else_o by_o complain_v to_o such_o as_o have_v authority_n in_o the_o church_n for_o in_o that_o place_n of_o mathewe_n 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the_o whole_a order_n whereof_o he_o do_v in_o that_o place_n describe_v but_o be_v it_o that_o they_o have_v to_o do_v also_o in_o excommunication_n which_o i_o will_v not_o deny_v for_o i_o do_v never_o so_o give_v the_o authority_n of_o excommunicate_v to_o the_o bishop_n alone_o that_o he_o the_o bishop_n may_v have_v assistance_n join_v with_o he_o i_o think_v he_o may_v not_o have_v other_o assistance_n join_v unto_o he_o for_o the_o execution_n of_o it_o if_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n so_o require_v yet_o this_o prove_v not_o but_o that_o the_o bishop_n may_v excommunicate_v alone_o if_o that_o authority_n be_v give_v unto_o he_o by_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n this_o place_n rather_o make_v against_o you_o for_o first_o it_o be_v like_a that_o these_o senior_n be_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n than_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o multitude_n have_v not_o to_o do_v in_o the_o execution_n of_o this_o disciplyne_n which_o you_o labour_n to_o 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and_o that_o those_o which_o do_v receyve_v the_o excommunicate_a without_o the_o knowledge_n and_o consent_n ep_v lib._n 3._o ep_v 8._o 10._o 14._o 19_o 1._o lib._n 3._o ep_v of_o the_o church_n be_v reprehend_v it_o may_v appear_v almost_o in_o every_o page_n of_o cyprian_n epistle_n and_o namely_o in_o these_o which_o i_o have_v note_v in_o the_o margin_n io._n whitgifte_n thus_o you_o drive_v i_o to_o seek_v that_o which_o in_o those_o epistle_n by_o you_o quote_v i_o can_v not_o find_v how_o much_o better_a deal_n have_v it_o be_v to_o have_v set_v down_o the_o word_n of_o cyprian_a that_o they_o may_v have_v be_v view_v and_o consider_v in_o the._n 8._o epistle_n of_o the_o third_o book_n cyprian_n do_v find_v himself_o gréen_v with_o one_o therapius_n because_o he_o give_v peace_n to_o one_o victor_n a_o priest_n before_o he_o have_v show_v himself_o full_o repentant_a and_o have_v satisfy_v for_o his_o offence_n before_o also_o the_o time_n be_v come_v appoint_v unto_o he_o 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prove_v and_o we_o can_v forbid_v no_o man_n from_o the_o communion_n although_o this_o prohibition_n be_v not_o mortal_a but_o medicinable_a except_o he_o either_o willing_o confess_v it_o or_o be_v accuse_v and_o convict_v either_o in_o some_o secular_a or_o ecclesiastical_a court_n for_o who_o dare_v take_v unto_o himself_o to_o be_v both_o accuser_n and_o judge_n and_o this_o be_v my_o judgement_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o bishop_n in_o excommunicate_v the_o abuse_v creep_v into_o this_o church_n in_o the_o execute_n of_o it_o i_o do_v not_o defend_v as_o it_o be_v manyfeste_a in_o my_o answer_n but_o wish_v they_o by_o due_a order_n and_o authority_n with_o speed_n reform_v chap._n 1._o the._n 19_o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 150._o lin._n 7._o and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v here_o that_o both_o in_o this_o part_n of_o the_o discipline_n and_o also_o in_o all_o other_o part_n of_o it_o as_o i_o have_v show_v as_o in_o hard_a and_o difficulter_v cause_n thing_n be_v refer_v unto_o the_o synod_n provincial_a national_a or_o general_a as_o the_o case_n require_v so_o if_o the_o elder_n of_o any_o church_n shall_v determine_v any_o thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o inconuenient_o in_o any_o matter_n that_o fall_v into_o their_o determination_n the_o party_n which_o be_v greeve_v may_v have_v recourse_n for_o remedy_n unto_o the_o elder_n and_o pastor_n of_o diverse_a church_n that_o be_v to_o say_v unto_o synod_n of_o shire_n or_o diocese_n or_o province_n or_o nation_n of_o as_o great_a or_o of_o as_o small_a compass_n as_o shall_v be_v think_v conventent_a by_o the_o church_n according_a to_o the_o difficulty_n or_o weight_n of_o the_o matter_n which_o be_v in_o controversy_n which_o meeting_n ought_v to_o be_v as_o often_o as_o can_v be_v convenient_o not_o only_o for_o the_o decision_n of_o such_o difficulty_n which_o the_o several_a presoytery_n can_v so_o well_o judge_v of_o but_o also_o to_o the_o end_n that_o common_a counsel_n 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of_o a_o new_a popedom_n have_v you_o show_v this_o confuse_a order_n to_o have_v be_v in_o y_z e_o apostles_n time_n or_o in_o y_z e_z primitive_a church_n apostle_n t._n c._n ascribe_v his_o own_o devise_n to_o the_o apostle_n where_o have_v you_o show_v it_o or_o when_o will_v you_o prove_v it_o synod_n there_o be_v indeed_o and_o necessary_a it_o be_v that_o when_o occasion_n serve_v they_o shall_v be_v but_o your_o signiory_n in_o every_o town_n or_o parish_n under_o a_o christian_a prince_n never_o be_v neither_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o without_o confusion_n it_o shall_v be_v as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v but_o what_o audacity_n be_v this_o to_o ascribe_v a_o order_n invent_v by_o yourself_o upon_o the_o which_o scarce_o three_o of_o you_o do_v agree_v if_o you_o be_v well_o examine_v and_o in_o the_o which_o yourself_o or_o ever_o it_o be_v long_o will_v espy_v some_o thing_n to_o be_v alter_v unto_o the_o apostle_n of_o bishops_n court_n and_o their_o officer_n chap._n 2._o the._n 1._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 150._o sect._n 1_o these_o thing_n stand_v in_o this_o sort_n all_o those_o court_n of_o bishop_n and_o archbyshop_n must_v needs_o fall_v which_o be_v by_o antichrist_n erect_v against_o this_o lawful_a jurisdiction_n of_o eldership_n as_o the_o court_n of_o faculty_n and_o those_o which_o be_v hold_v by_o chancellor_n commissary_n officialls_n and_o such_o like_a the_o describe_v of_o the_o corruption_n whereof_o will_v require_v a_o whole_a book_n of_o which_o i_o will_v note_v the_o principal_a head_n and_o sum_n io._n whitgifte_n and_o not_o these_o court_v only_o but_o all_o the_o court_n in_o england_n will_v be_v devour_v up_o of_o your_o signiory_n yea_o each_o the_o prince_n regal_a authority_n as_o may_v appear_v partly_o by_o that_o which_o be_v say_v before_o and_o partly_o by_o that_o which_o shall_v follow_v hereafter_o for_o what_o jurisdiction_n will_v not_o your_o signiory_n usurp_v what_o matter_n will_v it_o not_o 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the_o church_n with_o the_o pastor_n and_o deacon_n to_o provide_v for_o the_o poor_a touch_v elder_n the_o judgement_n of_o m._n caluine_n have_v be_v before_o declare_v in_o the_o first_o of_o these_o proposition_n io._n whitgifte_n and_o in_o the_o same_o place_n have_v i_o answer_v that_o which_o be_v there_o by_o you_o allege_v out_o of_o m._n caluine_n t._n c._n m._n beza_n in_o his_o book_n of_o divorce_n page_n 161._o say_v that_o the_o eldership_n of_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o be_v where_o there_o be_v a_o christian_a magistrate_n io._n whitgifte_n m._n beza_n do_v not_o say_v in_o that_o place_n that_o the_o eldership_n of_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o be_v where_o there_o be_v a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o that_o it_o may_v be_v and_o that_o it_o have_v be_v which_o he_o only_o speak_v and_o prove_v not_o and_o yet_o if_o he_o mean_v that_o presbytery_n whereof_o the_o canon_n speak_v by_o he_o only_o in_o generality_n name_v then_o be_v it_o no_o other_o than_o we_o 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a_o little_a after_o he_o say_v that_o he_o can_v not_o omit_v those_o business_n without_o the_o omit_v of_o his_o duty_n to_o the_o same_o effect_n do_v he_o speak_v in_o that_o treatise_n that_o be_v among_o his_o episile_n in_o number_n a_o hundred_o and_o ten_o where_o he_o desire_v the_o people_n that_o they_o will_v not_o mole_v he_o for_o the_o space_n of_o fyve_o day_n with_o their_o worldly_a matter_n by_o reason_n of_o certain_a business_n commit_v unto_o he_o as_o it_o appear_v in_o these_o word_n it_o please_v i_o and_o you_o for_o the_o care_n of_o the_o scripture_n which_o the_o brethren_n and_o father_n my_o fellow_n bishop_n dydde_v vouchsafe_v to_o lay_v upon_o i_o in_o 110._o ang._n epi._n 110._o the_o counsel_n of_o numidia_n and_o carthage_n for_o the_o space_n of_o fyve_o day_n no_o man_n shall_v trouble_v i_o these_o thing_n be_v propound_v you_o be_v content_a your_o decree_n and_o consent_n be_v rehearse_v it_o be_v keep_v but_o a_o small_a time_n and_o 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authority_n of_o a_o secular_a prince_n and_o do_v challenge_v the_o same_o jure_fw-la divino_fw-la by_o the_o authority_n of_o god_n word_n he_o speak_v not_o of_o such_o bishop_n to_o who_o so_o much_o civil_a authority_n be_v commit_v by_o the_o prince_n as_o may_v serve_v to_o the_o correction_n of_o vice_n and_o good_a and_o quiet_a government_n of_o the_o church_n forsomuch_o as_o he_o do_v himself_o exercise_v the_o same_o and_o sure_o it_o be_v not_o well_o do_v of_o you_o thus_o to_o charge_v that_o worthy_a man_n with_o contrariety_n unjust_o for_o do_v he_o that_o confute_v the_o pope_n unjust_a claim_n and_o ungodly_a usurpation_n of_o both_o the_o sword_n in_o that_o manner_n y_fw-mi t_z he_o claim_v &_o use_v they_o condemn_v all_o manner_n &_o kind_n of_o civil_a iurisdction_n by_o christian_n prince_n commit_v to_o bishop_n be_v help_n unto_o they_o in_o do_v their_o duty_n and_o tend_v to_o the_o good_a and_o quiet_a government_n of_o the_o church_n sure_o you_o be_v 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appeal_v from_o the_o civil_a court_n to_o their_o authority_n sozomene_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 9_o 9_o bishop_n give_v sentence_n in_o civil_a cause_n cent._n 4._o cap._n 7._o sozom._n li._n 1._o cap._n 9_o write_v thus_o of_o constantine_n the_o emperor_n this_o be_v a_o great_a argument_n of_o his_o good_a affection_n towards_o christian_a religion_n that_o he_o make_v a_o law_n for_o the_o freedom_n of_o clerk_n in_o all_o place_n and_o also_o he_o give_v liberty_n for_o those_o that_o be_v call_v into_o judgement_n to_o appeal_v to_o the_o bishop_n if_o they_o be_v dispose_v to_o refuse_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o he_o command_v that_o their_o sentence_n shall_v stand_v and_o be_v of_o more_o force_n than_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o bishop_n appeal_v graun_n t_v from_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o bishop_n other_o judge_n even_o as_o though_o it_o have_v proceed_v from_o the_o emperor_n himself_o and_o that_o the_o magistrate_n and_o their_o minister_n shall_v see_v that_o 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emperor_n in_o civil_a business_n theodosius_n the_o emperor_n make_v a_o law_n wherein_o it_o be_v decree_v that_o all_o civil_a strife_n and_o controversy_n shall_v be_v refer_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n if_o either_o 1._o dorotheus_n duaren_n lib._n 1._o of_o the_o party_n do_v desire_v it_o and_o the_o same_o law_n do_v carolus_n magnus_n afterward_o renew_v and_o confirm_v and_o yet_o do_v you_o say_v that_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n do_v confirm_v that_o bishop_n may_v not_o meddle_v with_o civil_a office_n if_o you_o flee_v to_o reason_n be_v it_o not_o good_a reason_n that_o a_o bishop_n shall_v have_v that_o office_n reason_n some_o civil_a jurisdiction_n give_v to_o bishop_n be_v agreeable_a to_o reason_n and_o that_o authority_n that_o may_v help_v he_o in_o do_v his_o du_o in_o correct_v vice_n in_o procuring_a peace_n in_o maynteyn_v good_a order_n in_o cut_v off_o sect_n schism_n and_o such_o like_a in_o accomplysh_v all_o which_o be_v that_o 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