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subject_a but_o supreme_a and_o consequent_o the_o
punishment_n not_o only_o by_o the_o way_n of_o command_n but_o also_o of_o coercion_n and_o constraint_n that_o be_v to_o punish_v they_o actual_o whether_o they_o will_v or_o no_o with_o spiritual_a punishment_n when_o they_o shall_v refuse_v to_o obey_v his_o just_a command_n for_o that_o this_o manner_n of_o punish_v by_o way_n of_o coercion_n do_v not_o exceed_v the_o limit_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n 10._o now_o if_o my_o adversary_n demand_n or_o i_o why_o the_o spiritual_a power_n may_v of_o herself_o command_v temporal_a action_n and_o yet_o neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o that_o be_v neither_o for_o temporal_a nor_o spiritual_a good_a exercise_v temporal_a action_n may_v command_v civil_a punishment_n when_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n and_o yet_o neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o punish_v actual_o with_o civil_a punishment_n without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n i_o answer_v they_o by_o 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large_a impugn_v 13._o last_o in_o what_o manner_n s._n gregory_n nazianzene_n do_v compare_v the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n or_o rather_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a prince_n to_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n i_o have_v sufficient_o declare_v before_o 3._o before_o cap._n 3._o to_o wit_n not_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o union_n or_o subjection_n but_o only_o in_o nobility_n and_o in_o that_o temporal_a prince_n be_v in_o as_o excellent_a and_o worthy_a manner_n subject_a to_o temporal_a prince_n as_o spiritual_a thing_n be_v more_o excellent_a and_o worthy_a then_o temporal_a so_o that_o neither_o from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n gregory_n nazianzene_n nor_o from_o the_o similitude_n itself_o of_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n as_o it_o be_v declare_v and_o urge_v by_o card_n bellarmine_n can_v it_o with_o any_o probability_n be_v gather_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v of_o herself_o exercise_v any_o temporal_a action_n belong_v to_o the_o civil_a power_n 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exercise_v or_o draw_v
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virtue_n of_o religion_n in_o use_v their_o power_n unlawful_o but_o they_o shall_v not_o sin_v for_o do_v that_o which_o they_o have_v no_o power_n to_o do_v as_o he_o who_o be_v no_o priest_n or_o bishop_n shall_v in_o consecrate_v or_o give_v order_n offend_v for_o that_o the_o power_n of_o a_o priest_n to_o consecrate_v and_o of_o a_o bishop_n to_o give_v order_n can_v either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n be_v take_v away_o from_o they_o by_o the_o pope_n so_o likewise_o although_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n shall_v for_o just_a cause_n forbid_v a_o temporal_a prince_n who_o be_v his_o spiritual_a child_n and_o subject_a to_o excercise_n his_o regal_a power_n and_o authority_n over_o clergy_n man_n if_o that_o temporal_a prince_n shall_v herein_o transgress_v the_o command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a he_o shall_v indeed_o offend_v against_o religion_n in_o use_v his_o regal_a power_n and_o authority_n contrary_a to_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o 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