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godly_a conscience_n be_v not_o hurt_v by_o the_o unworthiness_n of_o a_o other_o either_o pastor_n or_o private_a man_n neither_o be_v the_o mystery_n less_o pure_a and_o healthful_a to_o a_o holy_a man_n because_o they_o be_v then_o handle_v of_o such_o as_o be_v impure_a ille_fw-la qui_fw-la accipit_fw-la si_fw-la homo_fw-la bone_fw-la ab_fw-la homine_fw-la malo_fw-la si_fw-la fidelis_fw-la à _fw-la perfido_fw-la si_fw-la pius_fw-la ab_fw-la impio_fw-la perniciosumerit_n danti_fw-la non_fw-la accipienti_fw-la illud_fw-la quip_n sanctum_fw-la malè_fw-la utentem_fw-la iudicat_fw-la bene_fw-la accipientem_fw-la sanctificat_fw-la aug._n contra_fw-la cresc_n gram_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 28._o that_o be_v he_o which_o receive_v if_o a_o good_a of_o a_o evil_a man_n if_o a_o faithful_a of_o a_o faithless_a man_n if_o a_o godly_a of_o a_o wicked_a man_n it_o will_v be_v hurtful_a to_o the_o giver_n not_o to_o the_o receiver_n for_o that_o holy_a thing_n he_o mean_v the_o sacrament_n do_v judge_v he_o which_o use_v it_o ill_o but_o do_v sanctify_v he_o which_o receive_v it_o well_o circumcision_n be_v one_o of_o the_o lord_n sacrament_n in_o the_o jewish_a church_n the_o jew_n which_o be_v circumcise_v of_o impure_a priest_n and_o apostate_n receive_v no_o hurt_n therefore_o no_o pollution_n calu._n institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 15._o sect._n 16._o the_o sacrament_n neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v the_o worse_a for_o the_o ignorance_n or_o unworthiness_n or_o better_o for_o the_o learning_n or_o worthiness_n of_o any_o man_n whatsoever_o whosoever_o think_v otherwise_o be_v a_o donatist_n touch_v this_o point_n of_o the_o sacrament_n i_o rest_v whole_o in_o augustine_n judgement_n his_o word_n be_v these_o ego_fw-la dieo_fw-la meliùs_fw-la per_fw-la bonum_fw-la ministrum_fw-la quà m_fw-la per_fw-la malum_fw-la dispensari_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la divina_fw-la verùm_fw-la hoc_fw-la propter_fw-la ipsum_fw-la ministrum_fw-la melius_fw-la est_fw-la uteis_fw-la rebus_fw-la quas_fw-la ministrat_n vita_fw-la &_o moribus_fw-la congruat_fw-la non_fw-la propter_fw-la illum_fw-la qui_fw-la etiam_fw-la si_fw-la incurrerit_fw-la in_o ministrum_fw-la malum_fw-la dispensantem_fw-la veritatem_fw-la securitatem_fw-la accipit_fw-la à _fw-la domino_fw-la svo_fw-la monente_fw-la ac_fw-la dicente_fw-la quae_fw-la dicunt_fw-la facite_fw-la quae_fw-la autem_fw-la faciunt_fw-la nolite_fw-la facere_fw-la dicunt_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o non_fw-la faciunt_fw-la addo_n etiam_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la esse_fw-la melius_fw-la ut_fw-la ille_fw-la cvi_fw-la ministratur_fw-la ministri_fw-la boni_fw-la probitatem_fw-la ac_fw-la sanctitatem_fw-la diligendo_fw-la faciliùs_fw-la imitetur_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la ideo_fw-la veriora_fw-la &_o sanctiora_fw-la sunt_fw-la quae_fw-la ministrantur_fw-la quia_fw-la per_fw-la meliorem_fw-la ministrantur_fw-la illa_fw-la namque_fw-la per_fw-la seipsa_fw-la vera_fw-la &_o sancta_fw-la sunt_fw-la propter_fw-la deum_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o sanctum_fw-la cvius_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o ideo_fw-la fieri_fw-la potest_fw-la ut_fw-la accedens_fw-la ad_fw-la societatem_fw-la populi_fw-la dei_fw-la alium_fw-la inveniat_fw-la à _fw-la quo_fw-la facilè_fw-la baptizetur_fw-la alium_fw-la eligat_fw-la quem_fw-la salubriter_fw-la imitetur_fw-la certus_n est_fw-la enim_fw-la sanctum_fw-la esse_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la christi_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la per_fw-la minùs_fw-la sanctum_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la sanctum_fw-la hominem_fw-la ministratum_fw-la est_fw-la se_fw-la autem_fw-la eiusdem_fw-la ipsius_fw-la sacramenti_fw-la sanctitate_fw-la puniri_fw-la si_fw-la indignè_fw-la acceperit_fw-la si_fw-la malè_fw-la usus_fw-la fuerit_fw-la si_fw-la ei_fw-la non_fw-la convenienter_fw-la &_o congruè_fw-fr vixerit_fw-la august_n contra_fw-la cresc_n gram._n lib._n 4._o cap._n 20._o the_o sum_n of_o augustine_n word_n be_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v administer_v better_a by_o a_o good_a then_o by_o a_o bad_a minister_n yet_o that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o themselves_o be_v true_a and_o holy_a etc._n etc._n by_o what_o minister_n so_o ever_o they_o be_v deliver_v etc._n etc._n if_o any_o shall_v ask_v i_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o omit_v the_o partake_n of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n in_o such_o church_n over_o which_o ignorant_a minister_n be_v set_v and_o to_o present_v ourselves_o and_o our_o infant_n to_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n in_o other_o church_n my_o answer_n be_v that_o i_o refer_v they_o to_o the_o magistrate_n and_o governor_n of_o our_o church_n etc._n etc._n objection_n by_o who_o a_o thing_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v deliver_v by_o another_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v receive_v but_o ignorant_a minister_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o sacrament_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n answer_n the_o mayor_n be_v false_a my_o reason_n be_v a_o evil_a man_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o we_o ought_v to_o receive_v it_o a_o evil_a man_n ought_v not_o to_o give_v alm_n but_o a_o poor_a man_n may_v receive_v it_o a_o absurd_a minister_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o sacrament_n but_o they_o be_v not_o pollute_v which_o receive_v it_o objection_n they_o of_o who_o ministry_n there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n although_o they_o have_v a_o outward_a call_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v account_v minister_n therefore_o not_o to_o be_v communicate_v with_o i._o penry_n pag._n 43_o 44._o answer_n i_o deny_v your_o antecedent_n my_o reason_n be_v first_o there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n of_o caiphas_n priesthood_n for_o he_o enter_v by_o money_n and_o the_o priesthood_n be_v divide_v between_o he_o and_o annas_n against_o the_o lord_n order_n calu._n luc._n 3._o yet_o caiphas_n be_v call_v the_o high_a priest_n by_o the_o evangelist_n mat._n 26._o joh._n 18._o second_o there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n of_o the_o ministry_n of_o some_o in_o philippos_n which_o preach_v christ_n of_o contention_n and_o to_o add_v more_o affliction_n to_o paul_n band_n philip._n chap._n 1._o verse_n 15_o 16._o but_o these_o be_v account_v minister_n by_o the_o apostle_n vers_fw-la 15_o 18._o if_o any_o shall_v deny_v that_o there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n of_o their_o ministry_n i_o prove_v it_o thus_o they_o have_v not_o a_o inward_a call_n m._n penry_n say_v that_o a_o inward_a call_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o
fufficiencie_n of_o gift_n and_o willingness_n to_o practice_v they_o pag._n 45._o if_o m._n penry_n mean_v the_o practice_n of_o gift_n to_o god_n glory_n i_o say_v amen_o unto_o it_o i_o confess_v that_o they_o of_o philippos_n have_v gift_n in_o some_o measure_n but_o they_o have_v not_o willingness_n to_o practice_v those_o gift_n to_o god_n glory_n which_o willingness_n etc._n etc._n be_v one_o of_o the_o necessary_a branch_n of_o a_o inward_a call_n that_o they_o of_o philippos_n have_v not_o this_o willingness_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v manifest_a for_o they_o seek_v themselves_o and_o practise_v their_o gift_n whole_o to_o increase_v the_o apostle_n affliction_n last_o if_o your_o antecedent_n be_v true_a what_o say_v you_o to_o this_o proposition_n they_o of_o who_o magistracy_n there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n though_o they_o have_v a_o outward_a call_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v account_v magistrate_n do_v you_o not_o think_v this_o proposition_n to_o be_v very_o dangerous_a i_o can_v press_v and_o follow_v this_o very_o far_o but_o i_o abstain_v of_o purpose_n objection_n the_o sacrament_n may_v not_o be_v receive_v at_o his_o hand_n which_o want_v outward_a call_n therefore_o not_o at_o his_o hand_n who_o be_v destitute_a of_o the_o inward_a grace_n i._o penry_n pag._n 46._o answer_n your_o antecedent_n be_v true_a and_o make_v against_o the_o anabaptist_n i_o deny_v your_o argument_n my_o reason_n be_v omnia_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la cùm_fw-la obsint_fw-la indignè_fw-la tractantibus_fw-la prosunt_fw-la tamen_fw-la per_fw-la eos_fw-la dignè_fw-la sumentibus_fw-la august_n contra_fw-la epist_n parmen_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 10._o that_o be_v all_o sacrament_n though_o they_o hurt_v such_o as_o do_v handle_v they_o unworthy_o yet_o they_o profit_v such_o as_o do_v worthy_o receive_v they_o at_o their_o hand_n objection_n we_o have_v no_o warrant_n to_o receive_v a_o extraordinary_a sacrament_n but_o that_o which_o be_v administer_v by_o 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in_o this_o day_n beside_o m._n penry_n write_v that_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v never_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n since_o antichrist_n plant_v his_o pestilent_a chair_n therein_o chap._n 22._o pag._n 165._o to_o conclude_v see_v there_o be_v in_o m._n penryes_n judgement_n no_o church_n no_o baptism_n no_o ministry_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n etc._n etc._n i_o may_v be_v bold_a to_o affirm_v that_o in_o m._n penryes_n judgement_n her_o majesty_n and_o many_o thousand_o more_o be_v unbaptise_v m._n penry_n say_v that_o the_o holy_a supper_n be_v a_o extraordinary_a sacrament_n which_o be_v deliver_v private_o by_o a_o minister_n chap._n 14._o pag._n 139._o this_o error_n be_v condemn_v by_o m._n caluine_n who_o resolution_n be_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o administer_v the_o holy_a supper_n private_o if_o certain_a caution_n be_v
observe_v i_o rest_v in_o his_o judgement_n i_o refer_v you_o to_o chap._n 15._o page_n 141._o 142._o m._n penry_n say_v that_o they_o which_o communicate_v with_o unpreach_v minister_n approve_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o unpreach_a ministry_n chap._n 10._o pag._n 119._o this_o be_v a_o anabaptisticall_a fancy_n for_o s._n paul_n as_o m._n penry_n write_v communicate_v after_o his_o conversion_n with_o those_o priest_n which_o be_v as_o unlearned_a as_o ever_o any_o chap._n 11._o pag._n 128._o i_o refer_v you_o beside_o to_o my_o answer_n chap._n 10._o pag._n 119._o m._n penry_n be_v bold_a to_o control_v almighty_a god_n for_o bar_v the_o uncircumcised_a israelite_n from_o eat_v the_o paschall_n lamb_n his_o word_n be_v these_o why_o shall_v the_o godly_a of_o the_o family_n be_v exclude_v from_o the_o action_n the_o cause_n why_o they_o be_v uncircumcised_a not_o be_v in_o they_o chap._n 8._o pag._n 89._o this_o be_v intolerable_a sauciness_n it_o become_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n to_o 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