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A10609 A remonstrance: or plaine detection of some of the faults and hideous sores of such sillie syllogismes and impertinent allegations, as out of sundrie factious pamphlets and rhapsodies, are cobled vp together in a booke, entituled, A demonstration of discipline wherein also, the true state of the controuersie of most of the points in variance, is (by the way) declared. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629, attributed name. 1590 (1590) STC 20881; ESTC S115774 171,783 224

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the_o plea_n against_o traitor_n murderer_n felon_n and_o other_o malefactor_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o lawful_a in_o the_o common_a weal_n why_o not_o the_o like_a in_o the_o church_n nemo_fw-la militat_fw-la proprijs_fw-la stipendijs_fw-la to_o the_o minor_n o_o rash_a and_o temerarious_a judgement_n what_o be_v thou_o that_o iudge_v a_o other_o man_n servant_n you_o may_v remember_v horace_n say_v mendax_fw-la infamia_fw-la terret_fw-la quem_fw-la nisimendosum_fw-la &_o mendacem_fw-la they_o do_v not_o live_v but_o by_o honest_a fee_n though_o they_o grow_v by_o occasion_n of_o fault_n as_o the_o least_o part_n of_o they_o in_o deed_n do_v if_o any_o do_v and_o therefore_o the_o minor_a very_o false_a and_o slanderous_a the_o matter_n whereupon_o their_o fee_n do_v rise_v be_v either_o beneficial_a tend_v to_o the_o title_n and_o maintenance_n of_o the_o ministry_n or_o testamentary_a tend_v to_o the_o performance_n of_o the_o dead_n will_n or_o
have_v describe_v 1._o tim._n 5.17_o ergo_fw-la there_o be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d any_o colourable_a description_n of_o elder_n in_o these_o word_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n the_o place_n give_v commendation_n and_o great_a maintenance_n to_o all_o pastoral_a elder_n that_o govern_v their_o flock_n well_o but_o honourable_a commendation_n of_o those_o who_o with_o earnestness_n labour_n in_o the_o word_n so_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v your_o elder_n have_v not_o any_o maintenance_n of_o your_o church_n but_o live_v of_o their_o craft_n and_o trade_n and_o therefore_o your_o can_v be_v there_o mean_v which_o be_v speak_v special_o to_o establish_v large_a maintenance_n by_o the_o church_n towards_o the_o elder_n there_o understand_v the_o 5._o demonstration_n or_o allegation_n there_o be_v no_o church_n which_o can_v stand_v without_o their_o eldership_n or_o council_n ep_v demonstration_n ign._n ad_fw-la tral_n ep_v the_o word_n be_v remonstrance_n remonstrance_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v the_o elder_n or_o minister_n or_o pastoral_n elder_n be_v a_o senate_n or_o fellowship_n of_o the_o apostle_n of_o christ_n without_o it_o there_o be_v no_o congregation_n holy_a or_o sacred_a nor_o synod_n of_o saint_n and_o so_o say_v we_o but_o this_o be_v a_o great_a distance_n from_o your_o laical_a eldership_n this_o be_v our_o holy_a and_o sacred_a convocation_n or_o chapterhouse_n or_o whatsoever_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n and_o meeting_n it_o appear_v by_o sundry_a place_n of_o ignatius_n that_o the_o presbyteri_fw-la he_o speak_v of_o do_v preach_v and_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n ergo_fw-la he_o mean_v not_o of_o you_o these_o who_o he_o mean_v he_o say_v be_v successor_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o hitherto_o i_o have_v not_o hear_v any_o of_o you_o challenge_v for_o your_o elder_n that_o be_v lay_v man_n the_o 6._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n bape_n demonstration_n tertul._n de_fw-fr bape_n it_o belong_v only_o to_o the_o bishop_n to_o baptise_v and_o to_o the_o elder_a and_o deacon_n upon_o the_o bishop_n licence_n i_o will_v to_o god_n you_o will_v as_o well_o do_v after_o this_o golden_a sentence_n of_o tertull._n as_o you_o can_v memorative_o recite_v the_o same_o remonstrance_n remonstrance_n the_o sense_n and_o sentence_n make_v all_o for_o us._n dandi_fw-la habet_fw-la ius_fw-la summus_fw-la sacerdos_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la episcopus_fw-la dehinc_fw-la presbyteri_fw-la &_o diaconi_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la sine_fw-la episcopi_fw-la authoritate_fw-la propter_fw-la eeclesiae_fw-la honorem_fw-la quo_fw-la saluo_fw-la salua_fw-la pax_fw-la est_fw-la as_o the_o bishop_n be_v a_o superior_a minister_n or_o priest_n so_o presbyter_n a_o inferior_a minister_n or_o priest_n for_o your_o elder_n you_o may_v go_v seek_v for_o you_o permit_v neither_o your_o elder_n nor_o deacon_n to_o baptize_v the_o 7._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n lucife_n demonstra_fw-la jeron_n con_fw-mi lucife_n neither_o elder_a nor_o deacon_n have_v right_a but_o upon_o commandment_n of_o the_o bishop_n so_o much_o as_o to_o baptize_v the_o word_n ind_n venit_fw-la ut_fw-la sine_fw-la chrismate_fw-la &_o episcopi_fw-la iussione_n neque_fw-la presbyter_n neque_fw-la diaconus_fw-la ius_fw-la habeant_fw-la baptizandi_fw-la that_o be_v remonstrance_n remonstrance_n pastoral_a elder_n or_o priest_n the_o word_n immediate_o antecedent_n speak_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o bishop_n or_o chief_a priest_n who_o do_v authorise_v other_o priest_n ut_fw-la enim_fw-la accepit_fw-la quis_fw-la ita_fw-la &_o dare_v potest_fw-la he_o speak_v of_o chrism_n aswell_o as_o of_o the_o bishop_n licence_n allude_v to_o a_o particular_a custom_n this_o can_v serve_v your_o turn_n for_o you_o hold_v that_o no_o bishop_n may_v debar_v you_o of_o licence_n to_o preach_v or_o use_v your_o ministry_n &_o your_o elder_n and_o deacons_n may_v not_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n though_o they_o be_v licence_v as_o yourselves_o think_v the_o 8._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n elder_n fall_v away_o upon_o the_o ambition_n of_o the_o teacher_n 5._o demonstra_fw-la amb._n 1._o tim._n 5._o ambrose_n say_v synagoga_fw-la &_o postea_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la seniores_fw-la habuit_fw-la tolerable_a remonstrance_n ambrose_n say_v that_o state_n of_o the_o church_n for_o all_o that_o be_v tolerable_a both_o the_o synagogue_n and_o afterward_o the_o church_n have_v elder_n or_o senior_n before_o any_o christian_a magistrate_n have_v the_o preeminence_n in_o the_o church_n but_o no_o such_o elder_n as_o you_o do_v platform_n for_o these_o give_v but_o counsel_n you_o do_v absolute_o govern_v ordain_v censure_n and_o all_o thing_n save_v preach_v and_o minister_a sacrament_n the_o 9_o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n august_n demonstra_fw-la possidon_n in_o vita_fw-la august_n valerius_n the_o bishop_n do_v contrary_a to_o the_o apostolical_a custom_n in_o appoint_v augustine_n to_o preach_v be_v a_o elder_a the_o word_n be_v remonstrance_n remonstrance_n contrausum_fw-la &_o consuetudinem_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la aphricanarum_fw-la against_o the_o use_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o aphrican_a church_n not_o of_o the_o oriental_a church_n where_o the_o use_n be_v so_o a_o custom_n particular_a mislike_v also_o by_o many_o of_o the_o father_n you_o will_v make_v apostolical_a and_o general_a the_o 10._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n after_o arrius_n be_v convict_v of_o heresy_n 22._o demonstrat_n socr._n li._n 5._o ca._n 22._o elder_n may_v not_o preach_v it_o be_v so_o decree_v caluins_n quotation_n be_v lib._n 9_o socrat._n tripartitae_fw-la historiae_fw-la remonstrance_n remonstrance_n alexandria_n tantùm_fw-la institutum_fw-la fuit_fw-la whence_o you_o borrow_v this_o only_o at_o alexandria_n this_o be_v ordain_v because_o arrius_n have_v trouble_v the_o church_n there_o be_v not_o this_o curtal_n of_o place_n a_o evident_a sign_n of_o the_o evil_a conscience_n you_o have_v if_o you_o know_v it_o or_o of_o ignorance_n join_v with_o boldness_n if_o you_o know_v it_o not_o and_o yet_o allege_v it_o the_o 11._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n 1._o demonstrat_n bucer_n de_fw-fr reg_fw-la chri._n lib._n 1._o the_o number_n of_o elder_n of_o every_o church_n must_v be_v increase_v according_a to_o the_o multitude_n of_o the_o people_n bucer_n by_o the_o word_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 8._o speak_v of_o curatorum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la &_o seniorum_fw-la remonstrance_n remonstrance_n that_o be_v pastoral_a elder_n as_o the_o marginal_a note_n understand_v the_o minister_n ministros_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la sarcire_fw-la oportere_fw-la quicquid_fw-la fuerit_fw-la neglectum_fw-la the_o 12._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n martyr_n 12._o rom._n lament_v that_o they_o be_v fall_v out_o of_o the_o church_n demonstration_n demonstration_n that_o the_o name_n scant_o remain_v martyr_n cit_v s._n ambrose_n complaint_n of_o the_o want_n or_o defect_n of_o certain_a elder_n for_o advice_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n who_o be_v for_o a_o time_n in_o some_o church_n the_o magistrate_n be_v unchristian_a but_o you_o find_v not_o that_o they_o be_v call_v presbyteri_fw-la as_o signify_v a_o office_n which_o title_n you_o give_v to_o you_o and_o the_o place_n where_o presbyteri_fw-la be_v name_v you_o apply_v to_o they_o the_o 13._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n certain_a of_o the_o people_n be_v join_v with_o the_o pastor_n in_o church-government_n 1._o demonstration_n idem_fw-la 12._o co._n 1._o even_o so_o at_o this_o day_n remonstran_n remonstran_n in_o every_o parish_n be_v the_o like_a assistant_n to_o gather_v and_o employ_v the_o alm_n of_o the_o church_n and_o for_o other_o provision_n the_o puritan_n know_v not_o their_o own_o church_n or_o common_a wealth_n and_o yet_o the_o meaning_n be_v but_o of_o church_n in_o great_a city_n and_o cathedral_n the_o 14._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n 8._o demostran_n caluin_n instit_fw-la li._n 4._o cap._n 3._o sect_n 8._o there_o be_v elder_n in_o the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o say_v it_o be_v no_o necessary_a demonstration_n to_o prove_v it_o remonstrance_n remonstrance_n he_o can_v never_o prove_v that_o they_o have_v jurisdiction_n or_o aught_o to_o have_v of_o censure_n of_o ordination_n of_o law_n make_v and_o all_o other_o government_n or_o that_o they_o be_v lay_v man_n and_o have_v no_o maintenance_n by_o the_o church_n or_o that_o they_o be_v annual_a or_o biennall_a officer_n as_o the_o consistorial_o do_v now_o preach_v the_o 15._o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n d._n whitgift_n pag._n 638._o confess_v there_o be_v elder_n demonstr_n demonstr_n some_o be_v senior_n as_o ambrose_n speak_v of_o in_o the_o church_n before_o any_o christian_a magistrate_n be_v pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la remonstrance_n remonstrance_n for_o a_o stay_n &_o good_a advice_n in_o the_o church_n but_o none_o of_o this_o medley_n of_o perpetuity_n and_o with_o such_o government_n and_o authority_n as_o be_v now_o plait_a the_o 16_o allegation_n or_o demonstration_n if_o the_o platform_n to_o timothy_n be_v for_o all_o church_n demonstration_n demonstration_n then_o must_v elder_n be_v in_o al._n 1._o timoth._n 6.14_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a ergo_fw-la the_o second_o this_o be_v
answer_v before_o cap._n 1._o not_o to_o concern_v any_o policy_n of_o elder_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n but_o to_o keep_v the_o general_a commandment_n of_o the_o law_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o life_n they_o may_v as_o well_o say_v that_o the_o commandment_n to_o drink_v no_o water_n be_v mean_v by_o that_o place_n the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v there_o wary_o use_v the_o singular_a number_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o now_o you_o will_v make_v to_o pertain_v to_o the_o perpetuity_n of_o every_o thing_n contain_v in_o that_o epistle_n if_o it_o do_v so_o yet_o can_v it_o not_o help_v you_o for_o there_o be_v no_o such_o commandment_n for_o any_o such_o elder_n in_o that_o whole_a epistle_n no_o nor_o any_o mention_n by_o the_o way_n of_o they_o the_o 17._o demonstration_n that_o which_o be_v in_o every_o minister_n commission_n must_v be_v in_o every_o congregation_n demonstration_n demonstration_n but_o the_o ordination_n and_o practice_n of_o this_o office_n mat._n 28.20_o be_v so_o or_o else_o they_o ordain_v elder_n without_o warrant_n from_o christ_n ergo_fw-la they_o must_v be_v in_o every_o congregation_n exit_fw-la nihilo_fw-la nihil_fw-la fit_a of_o nothing_o come_v nothing_o remonstrance_n remonstrance_n this_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o great_a space_n between_o these_o two_o go_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d make_v disciple_n or_o teach_v all_o nation_n ergo_fw-la make_v unpreach_v presbyter_n in_o all_o nation_n this_o the_o demonstrationer_n make_v the_o minister_n commission_n afore_o and_o be_v it_o now_o the_o commission_n for_o unteach_v elder_n to_o be_v ordain_v in_o every_o place_n the_o reason_n of_o the_o minor_a be_v false_a for_o neither_o make_v they_o any_o such_o elder_n in_o every_o congregation_n neither_o do_v their_o authority_n for_o ordination_n and_o sundry_a other_o point_n of_o church-gourernment_a depend_v only_o upon_o that_o commission_n which_o respect_v the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n the_o 18._o demonstration_n where_o a_o bishop_n must_v be_v demonstration_n demonstration_n elder_n must_v be_v a_o bishop_n must_v be_v in_o every_o congregation_n ergo_fw-la elder_n this_o demonstration_n be_v no_o guest_n but_o a_o ordinary_a servant_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n for_o this_o serve_v your_o turn_n often_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o one_o of_o these_o be_v no_o better_a know_v then_o the_o other_o there_o must_v be_v parish_n bishop_n ergo_fw-la parish_n elder_n and_o it_o follow_v not_o by_o any_o coherence_n any_o more_o than_o this_o there_o must_v be_v a_o constable_n in_o every_o town_n ergo_fw-la 24._o alderman_n the_o 19_o demonstration_n if_o the_o apostle_n establish_v one_o uniform_a order_n in_o all_o church_n demonstration_n demonstration_n than_o there_o must_v be_v elder_n in_o every_o congregation_n but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a ergo_fw-la the_o second_o for_o s._n paul_n say_v thus_o i_o teach_v in_o all_o congregation_n to_o 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god_n and_o the_o prince_n be_v not_o intolerable_a neither_o repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n to_o usurp_v christ_n office_n or_o to_o usurp_v
whosoever_o be_v not_o blameless_a may_v be_v displace_v those_o who_o break_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n and_o charity_n as_o afore_o be_v not_o blameless_a ergo_fw-la they_o may_v be_v displace_v and_o again_o they_o who_o call_v to_o the_o ministry_n be_v not_o from_o heaven_n nor_o outward_o lawful_a by_o mean_n of_o man_n they_o may_v be_v displace_v your_o call_n to_o the_o ministry_n in_o this_o church_n of_o england_n be_v such_o as_o be_v unlawful_a and_o antichristian_a as_o you_o say_v ergo_fw-la by_o your_o own_o rule_n you_o may_v be_v displace_v for_o you_o be_v never_o well_o place_v and_o as_o you_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v exit_fw-la ore_fw-la tuo_fw-la teipsum_fw-la iudico_fw-la serve_v nequam_fw-la the_o 2._o demonstration_n man_n careful_a to_o discharge_v their_o duty_n without_o impiety_n can_v be_v displace_v demonstration_n demonstration_n such_o be_v these_o minister_n ergo_fw-la here_o be_v a_o goodly_a praise_n and_o applaud_v to_o themselves_o 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remonstrance_n remonstrance_n nor_o so_o much_o who_o for_o a_o while_o preach_v the_o gospel_n yet_o may_v a_o bad_a man_n cast_v good_a seed_n into_o the_o ground_n do_v as_o they_o say_v not_o as_o they_o do_v say_v christ_n the_o 6._o demonstration_n that_o which_o give_v the_o enemy_n cause_n to_o rejoice_v be_v a_o offence_n to_o displace_v the_o minister_n demonstration_n demonstration_n give_v the_o enemy_n etc._n etc._n ergo_fw-la if_o any_o rejoice_v in_o evil_a let_v they_o answer_v for_o it_o themselves_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v a_o fault_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n but_o bishop_n do_v their_o duty_n to_o displace_v schismatics_n that_o be_v but_o per_fw-la accidens_fw-la that_o it_o be_v to_o the_o rejoice_v of_o the_o enemy_n and_o they_o will_v not_o let_v to_o rejoice_v if_o a_o adulterous_a minister_n also_o be_v displace_v be_v glad_a that_o they_o may_v say_v such_o be_v among_o us._n the_o 7._o demonstration_n that_o which_o cause_v the_o doer_n to_o be_v esteem_v enemy_n to_o the_o gospel_n be_v a_o heinous_a sin_n demonstration_n demonstration_n such_o be_v the_o silence_v of_o those_o ergo_fw-la i_o answer_v with_o that_o sentence_n of_o tully_n non_fw-la est_fw-la tanta_fw-la potest_fw-la as_o in_fw-la stultorum_fw-la suffragijs_fw-la remonstrance_n remonstrance_n there_o be_v no_o such_o estimate_n or_o read_v in_o a_o fool_n voice_n or_o suffragie_n they_o be_v not_o worthy_a to_o rule_v in_o the_o church_n that_o tender_v more_o what_o the_o ill_a advise_v say_v of_o they_o than_o they_o do_v the_o peace_n of_o christ_n body_n the_o church_n the_o 8._o demonstration_n that_o which_o let_v wickedness_n to_o come_v in_o must_v needs_o be_v a_o sin_n demonstration_n demonstration_n to_o displace_v the_o minister_n do_v so_o ergo_fw-la it_o follow_v not_o upon_o every_o sectary_n minister_v displace_v remonstran_n remonstran_n this_o be_v a_o partial_a syllogism_n and_o in_o favour_n of_o themselves_o no_o sir_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o better_o come_v in_o their_o place_n if_o they_o may_v have_v like_o maintenance_n the_o 9_o demonstration_n that_o which_o interrupt_v the_o course_n of_o the_o gospel_n without_o warrant_n from_o god_n law_n or_o law_n of_o the_o land_n be_v a_o sin_n but_o to_o displace_v be_v so_o ergo_fw-la demonstra_fw-la demonstra_fw-la it_o be_v likely_a this_o man_n have_v be_v convent_v for_o his_o schism_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n and_o turbulencie_n of_o spirit_n and_o will_v not_o be_v interrupt_v without_o a_o warrant_n from_o heaven_n or_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n there_o be_v statute_n law_n and_o canon_n law_n authorize_v by_o statute_n to_o pluck_v up_o such_o brier_n and_o thorn_n of_o these_o malcontent_n out_o from_o amidst_o the_o land_n and_o no_o danger_n to_o interrupt_v thereby_o the_o course_n of_o the_o gospel_n most_o of_o they_o preach_v nothing_o but_o invective_n against_o thing_n establish_v be_v this_o to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n of_o peace_n the_o seventeenth_o chapter_n assertion_n admonition_n belong_v to_o the_o eldership_n demonstration_n demonstration_n the_o 1._o demonstration_n 1_o that_o which_o private_a man_n be_v command_v to_o seek_v unto_o be_v offend_v for_o redress_v of_o the_o offence_n matth._n 18.15_o that_o be_v a_o necessary_a and_o ordinary_a way_n for_o those_o who_o public_o offend_v 2_o that_o which_o be_v more_o available_a to_o repentance_n 3_o that_o which_o make_v man_n more_o afraid_a to_o offend_v 4_o that_o which_o have_v a_o great_a promise_n to_o do_v good_a 5_o that_o without_o which_o all_o duty_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v towards_o sinner_n 6_o that_o which_o bridle_v outrageous_a sin_n but_o such_o be_v the_o admonition_n of_o those_o who_o carry_v the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n uz._n the_o eldership_n ergo_fw-la admonition_n long_v to_o they_o one_o minor_n serve_v right_a well_o for_o all_o these_o proposition_n remonstrance_n remonstrance_n that_o the_o venerable_a eldership_n who_o carry_v the_o church_n and_o bear_v it_o up_o as_o atlas_n with_o his_o shoulder_n caelum_fw-la humeris_fw-la tor_z quet_v stellis_fw-la ardentibus_fw-la aptum_fw-la must_v give_v this_o admonition_n in_o public_a proclamation_n my_o answer_n hereunto_o be_v it_o be_v a_o sacrilegious_a robbery_n to_o give_v and_o appropriate_v that_o unto_o the_o eldership_n which_o be_v proper_a to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o such_o as_o exercise_v lawful_a authority_n in_o the_o church_n it_o make_v as_o much_o for_o presbyter_n john_n or_o johns_n eldership_n as_o any_o of_o your_o eldership_n in_o the_o church_n beside_o i_o may_v traverse_v the_o mayor_n proposition_n as_o for_o example_n private_a reconciliation_n be_v command_v and_o yet_o no_o necessary_a or_o ordinary_a way_n to_o be_v public_o establish_v in_o the_o church_n and_o if_o admonition_n be_v necessary_a do_v it_o hereof_o follow_v it_o must_v be_v do_v and_o only_o do_v by_o such_o a_o 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sacrament_n minister_v and_o preach_v ergo_fw-la the_o eldership_n must_v do_v it_o if_o you_o say_v it_o be_v dispose_v according_a to_o any_o mood_n and_o
figure_n why_o be_v there_o more_o in_o the_o conclusion_n then_o in_o the_o premise_n or_o show_v in_o which_o 1_o 2_o or_o 3._o figure_n you_o have_v conclude_v that_o separation_n by_o the_o eldership_n be_v warrantable_a by_o the_o word_n if_o you_o say_v the_o syllogism_n be_v hypotheticall_a why_o do_v you_o assume_v the_o consequent_a to_o conclude_v the_o antecedent_n which_o be_v a_o paralogism_n or_o in_o very_a deed_n assume_v the_o consequent_a conclude_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n or_o a_o new_a and_o strange_a thing_n ergo_fw-la separation_n from_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o eldership_n or_o be_v warrant_v by_o the_o word_n in_o those_o place_n of_o luke_n they_o be_v compel_v to_o come_v in_o to_o the_o supper_n yea_o the_o halt_n the_o lame_a etc._n etc._n and_o can_v you_o hereof_o prove_v that_o such_o as_o be_v lame_a in_o soul_n must_v be_v suspend_v and_o keep_v from_o the_o supper_n if_o you_o have_v no_o better_a reason_n 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there_o be_v any_o that_o have_v do_v such_o a_o fault_n that_o be_v to_o be_v put_v away_o from_o partake_v prayer_n of_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n 39_o demonstrat_n tertul._n apolog_fw-la cap._n 39_o there_o do_v bear_v rule_v certain_a approve_a elder_n of_o the_o church_n the_o word_n summum_fw-la futuri_fw-la iudicij_fw-la praeiudicium_fw-la est_fw-la remonstrance_n remonstrance_n si_fw-la quis_fw-la ita_fw-la deliquerit_fw-la ut_fw-la à_fw-la communicatione_n orationis_fw-la &_o conventus_fw-la &_o omnis_fw-la sancti_fw-la commercij_fw-la relegetur_fw-la president_n probati_fw-la quique_fw-la seniores_fw-la honorem_fw-la istum_fw-la non_fw-la pretio_fw-la sed_fw-la testimonio_fw-la adepti_fw-la the_o word_n follow_v give_v not_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n to_o these_o elder_n or_o arbiter_n any_o time_n much_o less_o perpetual_o if_o at_o that_o time_n of_o persecution_n they_o have_v a_o censure_n over_o manner_n but_o let_v it_o be_v prove_v that_o they_o be_v 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wherewith_o he_o have_v blaspheme_v this_o church_n of_o england_n and_o in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n let_v our_o church_n be_v govern_v still_o by_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n by_o such_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o counsel_n and_o provincial_a constitution_n and_o ordinance_n subordinate_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n ratify_v by_o our_o most_o christian_n and_o virtuous_a prince_n let_v we_o thank_v god_n for_o our_o governor_n archbishop_n bishop_n and_o superior_a minister_n and_o magistrate_n who_o office_n and_o equity_n of_o the_o office_n be_v in_o the_o word_n and_o continue_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n hitherto_o and_o let_v the_o inferior_a minister_n of_o what_o name_n or_o call_v soever_o be_v govern_v by_o they_o as_o law_n prescribe_v let_v the_o examination_n be_v by_o the_o ordinary_n and_o diocesan_n of_o man_n eligible_a and_o ordinable_a who_o know_v more_o than_o a_o thousand_o unlearned_a let_v the_o ordination_n be_v by_o the_o imposition_n of_o the_o bishop_n and_o other_o pastoral_a elder_n and_o minister_n hand_n let_v the_o execution_n of_o their_o office_n be_v still_o with_o diligence_n in_o preach_v exhort_v minister_a of_o the_o sacrament_n provide_v for_o the_o poor_a as_o god_n give_v ability_n last_o of_o all_o let_v the_o exercise_n of_o the_o whole_a ecclesiastical_a discipline_n be_v put_v in_o use_n by_o word_n of_o admonition_n or_o censure_n of_o suspension_n or_o excommunication_n where_o need_n be_v by_o those_o able_a governor_n who_o god_n the_o prince_n synod_n and_o parliament_n have_v put_v in_o trust_n withal_o and_o let_v we_o hold_v on_o one_o and_o the_o same_o tenor_n of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n which_o maugre_o this_o wooden_a demonstrator_n and_o t.c._n olynth_n demost_a 1._o olynth_n that_o be_v trifle_a curiosity_n we_o have_v hold_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d will_v all_o be_v well_o for_o every_o man_n sake_n laus_fw-la deo_fw-la errata_fw-la fault_n correction_n in_o the_o preface_n pag._n 3._o line_n 24._o  _fw-fr equinoction_n equivocation_n p._n 5._o lin_v 12._o deal_n ergo_fw-la  _fw-fr p._n 13._o li._n 6._o demonstrate_v demonstration_n p._n 20._o li._n 6._o 20._o two_o p._n 25._o li._n 31._o syndicts_n syndic_n p._n 26._o li._n 20._o any_o some_o one_o ibi_fw-la li._n 32._o ordiantion_n ordination_n p._n 27._o li._n 21._o member_n number_n p._n 33._o li._n 17._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 37._o li._n 34._o revenge_v he_o reveage_v himself_o p._n 49._o li._n 11._o demise_n devise_n ibi._n mark_fw-mi example_n epistle_n p._n 53._o li._n 21._o whole_a while_n p_o 72._o li._n 33._o breed_v breed_v p._n 75._o li._n 6._o be_v the_o be_v in_o the._n p._n 77._o li._n 16._o lay_v minister_a lay_n unministr_a ibi._n li._n 22.6.1_o 1._o and_o 6._o p._n 81._o li._n 26._o low_n low_o ibi._n li._n 38._o column_v continue_v p._n 83._o li._n 32._o run_v not_o run_v riot_n p._n 87._o li._n 37._o irenaeus_n grinaeus_n p._n 109._o li._n 5._o unliable_a unhable_a p._n 110._o li._n 26._o sense_n it_o sense_n as_o it_o p._n 128._o li._n 33._o by_o to_o p._n 138._o li._n 18._o cicester_n chichester_n p._n 147._o li._n 11._o preach_v practice_n p._n 164._o li._n 34._o posuerit_fw-la poesis_fw-la erit_fw-la p._n 166._o li._n 3.72_o 72._o evangelist_n p._n 167._o li._n 14._o tragelapsus_n tragelaphus_n p._n 176._o li._n 28._o be_v come_v be_v to_o come_v p._n 177._o li._n 6._o papist_n popish_a p._n 108._o li._n 22._o they_o they_o of_o the_o faction_n p._n 201._o li._n 26._o do_v have_v