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A disputacio[n] of purgatorye made by Ioh[a]n Frith which is deuided in to thre bokes. The first boke is an answere vnto Rastell, which goeth aboute to proue purgatorye by naturall phylosophye. The seconde boke answereth vnto Sir Thomas More, which laboureth to proue purgatorye by scripture. The thirde boke maketh answere vnto my lorde of Rochestre which most leaneth vnto the doctoures
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Frith, John, 1503-1533.
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their_o death_n for_o when_o i_o say_v that_o i_o will_v not_o forgeve_v he_o neither_o in_o my_o life_n nor_o after_o my_o death_n i_o mean_v that_o i_o will_v never_o forgeve_v he_o and_o make_v that_o addition_n because_o he_o shall_v not_o of_o foolish_a nes_z look_v for_o any_o such_o forgevenesse_n but_o thus_o follow_v the_o argument_n well_o it_z shall_v not_o be_v forgeven_v in_o this_o world_n nor_o in_o the_o worl_z de_z to_o come_v ergo_fw-la it_o shall_v never_o be_v forgeven_v and_o even_o so_o do_v saint_a marce_z expound_v these_o word_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o three_o chaptre_n for_o matthew_n say_v in_o the._n twelve_o he_o that_o speak_v ag_n en_v the_o holy_a goo_v shall_v never_o have_v it_o forgeven_v in_o this_o world_n nor_o in_o the_o world_n to_o 3._o come_v marc._n expound_v it_o thus_o he_o that_o spea_n k_v a_o blaspemye_n agen_a the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v no_o remission_n for_o ever_o but_o be_v giltye_n unto_o everlasting_a damnacyon_n but_o of_o this_o have_v i_o speak_v suffycientlye_o before_o in_o solute_v the_o text_n 1._o joan._n 5._o both_o what_o the_o sin_n be_v and_o also_o how_o the_o text_n be_v to_o be_v understande_v neither_o affeâ—…meth_v the_o scripture_n in_o any_o place_n y_o it_o any_o sin_n be_v forgeven_a after_o this_o life_n but_o say_v be_v ready_o for_o you_o know_v not_o the_o time_n when_o the_o lord_n shall_v come_v as_z who_o shall_v say_v in_o this_o life_n be_v remissyon_n and_o full_a mer_fw-fr cye_z to_z â—…e_o have_v labour_n therefore_o to_o attain_v it_o for_o after_o this_o life_n be_v no_o such_o forgevene_v sse_fw-mi but_o even_o as_o you_o â—_o lord_n findeth_z y_z â—_o so_o shall_v he_o judge_v y_fw-mi â—_o his_o next_o &_o last_o argu_n mean_v of_o scriptu_fw-la re_fw-mi be_v this_o ☜_o moâ—…_n chryst_n saeyth_n as_o it_o be_v rehearse_v in_o you_o â—_o twelve_o 12._o of_o matthew_n y_fw-es â—_o man_n shall_v yield_v a_o rekening_a of_o everye_o idle_a word_n and_o that_o be_v after_o this_o present_a lyffe_n thenwote_v everye_o man_n that_o by_o that_o rekeninge_v be_v understonde_v a_o punyshment_n therefore_o which_o shall_v not_o be_v in_o hell_n &_o much_o less_o in_o heaven_n and_z therefore_o can_v it_o be_v now_o here_o else_o but_o in_o frith_n purgatoye_n 〈◊〉_d i_o have_v not_o hard_a of_o a_o partone_n that_o so_o unprofytable_a defend_v his_o client_n nor_o yet_o of_o any_o man_n that_o geve_v he_o sylfe_o such_o propre_fw-fr trip_v to_o cast_v himself_o except_o he_o wâ—…nt_v about_o to_o betray_v and_o utterlye_o destroy_v the_o part_n which_o he_o will_v seem_v to_o favour_n for_o this_o text_n make_v more_o agen_v he_o them_z any_o that_o he_o bring_v before_o seem_v to_o make_v with_o the_o he_o the_o word_n of_o mathewe_n be_v these_o i_o tell_v you_o that_o of_o everye_o idle_a word_n that_o man_n spe_fw-mi ache_v shall_v they_o yield_v a_o rekeninge_v in_o you_o â—_o day_n of_o ju_n dgement_n but_o that_o levetâ—…_n he_o out_o full_a craftelye_a now_o let_v we_o reason_n of_o this_o text_n by_o the_o rekenin_n ge_fw-mi be_v understonde_v a_o punishment_n for_o the_o sin_n as_o master_n more_o say_v he_o silfe_n and_o this_o re_fw-mi keninge_v be_v upon_o the_o day_n of_o doom_n ergo_fw-la than_o this_o punishment_n for_o sin_n can_v not_o be_v before_o the_o day_n of_o doom_n but_o either_o upon_o or_o else_o after_o the_o day_n of_o doom_n for_o god_n will_v not_o first_o punish_v they_o and_o then_o after_o reken_fw-mi with_o they_o to_o punish_v they_o anew_o and_o so_o be_v purgatorye_n quite_o exclude_v for_o all_o they_o that_o ever_o imagine_v any_o purgatorye_n do_v put_v it_o before_o the_o judgement_n for_o when_o christ_n come_v to_o judgement_n then_o cease_v pâ—…rgatorye_n as_o they_o all_o consent_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o prayer_n or_o sufrage_fw-la which_o at_o that_o time_n can_v do_v any_o help_n at_o all_o and_o so_o have_v master_n more_o by_o this_o text_n give_fw-ge he_o silfe_n a_o proper_a fall_n here_o 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revelation_n and_o proâ—…e_n of_o purgatorye_n how_o many_o have_v by_o god_n most_o gracious_a favour_n appear_v to_o their_o friend_n after_o their_o death_n and_o show_v themselves_o holpen_v and_o delyver_v thence_o by_o pill_n grimage_n almosedede_o prayer_n &_o c_o if_o they_o say_v you_o â—_o these_o be_v lie_n then_o be_v they_o much_o worse_o they_o their_o master_n luther_n he_o silfe_n for_z he_o consent_v in_o his_o sermon_n that_o many_o such_o apparition_n be_v truâ—…_n and_o if_o they_o be_v true_a then_o must_v there_o needs_o be_v a_o purgatorye_n here_o play_v master_n more_o the_o soot_n sophâ—…_n â—…ter_n and_o will_v deceive_v man_n with_o a_o fallace_n which_o lie_v in_o this_o word_n true_a so_o that_o when_o he_o say_v that_o such_o apparition_n be_v true_a this_o sentence_n ma_fw-fr you_o be_v take_v two_o manner_n of_o way_n one_o that_z it_o be_v true_a that_o such_o fantastical_a apparition_n do_v ap_fw-mi pear_n to_o diverse_a and_o that_o i_o think_v no_o 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not_o of_o the_o deed_n not_o for_o the_o truth_n for_o god_n abhor_v it_o deuteronomye_n xviij_o beside_o that_o the_o parable_n of_o the_o rich_a man_n and_o lazarus_n do_v utterlye_o condemn_v all_o such_o appa_fw-la ricyon_n that_o they_o be_v no_o soul_n which_o appear_v but_o very_a devil_n for_o when_o the_o rich_a man_n desire_v that_o lazarus_n may_v go_v and_o warn_v his_o brothren_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o come_v in_o to_o that_o place_n 16_o of_o pain_n abraham_n answer_v that_o they_o have_v moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n addinge_a also_o that_o if_o they_o beleve_v not_o they_o then_z will_v they_o not_o believe_v although_o one_o shall_v rise_v again_o and_o tell_v it_o thâ—…m_n and_o so_o may_v i_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v in_o vay_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d to_o
eternal_a death_n and_o dampnacyon_n and_o so_o have_v christ_n velyver_v we_o from_o the_o pit_n wherein_o be_v no_o water_n that_z be_v to_o say_v from_o hell_n &_o everlasting_a dampnacyon_n not_o that_o we_o be_v in_o hell_n all_o ready_a although_o we_o be_v bind_v under_o sin_n and_o ready_a to_o be_v cast_v therein_o but_o because_o we_o shall_v not_o entre_fw-fr in_o to_o hell_n this_o be_v the_o pure_a understondinge_v of_o the_o teâ—…te_n here_o may_v i_o dispute_v with_o he_o both_o of_o hell_n and_o of_o limbus_fw-la patrum_fw-la but_o because_o i_o will_v be_v as_o short_a as_o possible_a be_v i_o will_v defer_v that_o until_o a_o neither_o occasion_n that_o i_o mayâ—…_n reason_n with_o he_o sumwhat_o at_o large_a another_o place_n be_v there_o also_o in_o the_o old_a testa_fw-la more_o mean_v that_o put_v purgatory_n quite_o out_o of_o question_n for_o say_v he_o what_o be_v plain_a than_o the_o place_n which_o in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o maccabee_n 〈◊〉_d make_v 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12._o of_o 〈◊〉_d auctorite_n to_o make_v a_o article_n of_o our_o faith_n neither_o be_v it_o admit_v in_o the_o canon_n of_o y_fw-es â—_o hebrew_v here_o he_o object_v that_o the_o church_n have_v â—…lowed_v it_o and_z the_o holy_a doctoures_fw-la as_o s._n hiero_n i_o s._n austin_n and_o soch_n other_o i_o answer_v s._n hieromes_n mind_n be_v open_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o pistol_n which_o he_o write_v before_o the_o proverbe_n of_o so_o lomon_a his_o word_n be_v these_o sicut_fw-la judith_n et_fw-fr toby_n et_fw-la machabeorum_fw-la libros_fw-la ligit_fw-la quiâ—…_n eoâ—…_n ecclesia_fw-la sed_fw-la inter_fw-la canonicas_fw-la scripturas_fw-la non_fw-la reci_fw-la pit_n sic_fw-la et_fw-fr hec_fw-la duo_fw-la volumina_fw-la legate_n ad_fw-la edificationem_fw-la plebis_fw-la non_fw-it ad_fw-la authoritatâ—…m_fw-la ecclesiasticorum_fw-la dogmatum_fw-la confirmandum_fw-la that_o be_v like_z as_o the_o church_n do_v read_v y_fw-mi â—_o book_n of_o judith_n thobias_n and_o the_o maccabee_n 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you_o make_v s._n hierom_n a_o 〈◊〉_d but_o thus_o you_o must_v understoâ—…de_v it_o that_z they_o have_v we_o receive_v they_o to_o be_v red_a for_o the_o edefyinge_v oâ—…_n the_o people_n and_o not_o to_o confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n or_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n thereby_o accord_v to_o s._n hieroms_n exposition_n now_o mayâ—…_n you_o see_v y_z t_z our_o shoteanker_n as_o he_o call_v it_o be_v so_o strong_a that_o all_o his_o storm_n and_o wave_n can_v not_o once_o move_v it_o for_z we_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o the_o book_n be_v receive_v of_o y_fw-fr e_o church_n to_o be_v red_a and_o weshewe_v by_o s._n hierome_n for_o whate_o entenâ—…_n it_o be_v receive_v and_o read_v not_z to_o prove_v any_o article_n of_o our_o faith_n therbye_o but_o only_o to_o order_fw-fr our_o manner_n of_o lyvinge_v thereafter_o in_o soch_n point_n as_o be_v not_o re_fw-mi pugnaunte_a unto_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n but_o yet_o for_o this_o once_o to_z do_v the_o man_n 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a_o sensible_a fire_n which_o do_v punish_v the_o holy_a and_o choose_a people_n of_o god_n i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v no_o child_n but_z he_o may_v perceive_v y_o it_o this_o argument_n be_v nought_o beside_o that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v doubt_v whether_o judas_n do_v well_o or_o not_o in_o offering_n this_o sacrifice_n and_o therefore_o ougâ—…t_v we_o not_o of_o a_o foolish_a presumpcyon_n to_o follow_v his_o fact_n until_o we_o know_v how_o it_o be_v accept_v parad_n venture_v thou_o will_v say_v that_o the_o deed_n be_v commend_v in_o the_o say_v te_fw-mi xte_v where_o it_o say_v but_o because_o he_o consider_v that_o they_o which_o with_o godliness_n have_v enter_v their_o sleep_v that_o be_v their_o death_n have_v good_a favour_n lay_v up_o in_o store_n for_o they_o therefore_o be_v the_o reman_n braunce_n to_o pray_v for_o the_o deed_n hoiye_v and_o hoâ—…esome_a that_o they_o may_v be_v loose_v from_o their_o sin_n i_o answer_v that_o the_o person_n which_o be_v slay_v in_o 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