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A47873 Interest mistaken, or, the Holy cheat proving from the undeniable practises and positions of the Presbyterians, that the design of that party is to enslave both king and people under the masque of religion : by way of observation upon a treatise, intitutled, The interest of England in the matter of religion, &c. / by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1661 (1661) Wing L1262; ESTC R41427 86,066 191

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they are it seems Assertors of Lawfull Liberty in Lawfull waies but how is that I pray'e Did they not tell us this when their Swords were at our Throats when it was Death to assist the King when they were forc'd to flye to the Equitable sense of the Law and quit the Literal and fetch their Arguments from Inspiration because they had none in Reason I shall here put an End to this Discourse which is become much longer already than I meant it by reason of his Addition Crofton's ill Fortune I find hath made him wary but not humble for he presses the same Things in substance still though in somewhat a differing manner of Respect and seeming Candour The good Words he gives belong to those Persons which he shall vouchsafe to Call serious and to think worthy of them and the Government is to be moulded and disposed of as he pleases Finally he pretends to ayme at a Fair and Christian Accord and yet proceeds in a direct method of Dividing by sharp and scandalous Reflections upon the Kings Party To say no more his Reasonings are Dishonourable to the memory of the Late King Seditious and Provoking to the People Bold and Imposing in themselves Repugnant to the established Law and to the main scope of the General Pardon How out of all these ill Ingredients should be composed a National and healing balsome I shall now give the Reader leisure to consider Male imperatur ubi regit Vulgus Duces FINIS A Catalogue of some Books Printed for Henry Brome at the Gun in Ivy-lane THe Alliance of Divine Offices exhibiting all the Lyturgies of the Church of England since the Reformation by Hamon L'Estrange Esq in fol. The Souls Conflict being eight Sermons preach'd at Oxford and so much recommended by Dr. Hewit in 8. Dr. Browns Sepulchrall Urns and Garden of Cyrus in 8. Two Essayes of Love and Marriage in 12. The Royal Exchange A Comedy in 4. by R. Brome Five new Playes by R. Brome never before printed in 8. Poems by the VVits of both Universities in 8. A Treatise of Moderation by Mr. Gaule in 8. St. Bonaventures Soliloquies in 24. Mr Baxter's Treatise of Conversion in 4. The Common Law Epitomiz'd with Directions how to prosecute and defend personal actions very usefull for all Gentlemen to which is annexed the nature of a VVrit of Errour and the General proceedings thereupon in 8. Golden Remains by that most Learn'd R. Stuart D. D. Dean of Westminster and Clerk of the Closet to King Charles the first being the last and best Monuments that are likely to be made publick in 12. Mr. Sprat's Plague of Athens in 4. Jews in America by Mr. Thorowgood in 4. The Royal Buckler or a Lecture for Traytors in 8. A view of some late remarkable Transactions leading to the happy Government under our gracious Soveraign King Charles the Second by R. L'Estrange Esq in 4. All the Songs on the Rump in 8. The Pourtraicture of his sacred Majesty King Charles the Second from his Birth 1630. till this present year 1661. being the whole story of his escape at Worcester his travailes and troubles The Covenant discarged by John Russel in 4. The compleat Art of VVater-drawing in 4. Mr. Boys his Translation of the 6th Book of Virgil in 4. Mr. Walwin's Sermon on the happy return of King Charles the Second A perfect discovery of VVitchcraft very profitable to be read by all sorts of people especially Judges of Assize before they passe sentence on condemned persons for witches in 4. A short view of the Lives of the Illustrious Princes Henry Duke of Gloucester and Mary Princess of Orange deceased by T. M. Esq in 8. Aeneas his Voyage from Troy to Italy an Essay upon the third Book of Virgil by I. Boys Esq in 8. Trapp on the Major Prophets in fol. Songs and other Poems by A. Brome Gent. Mr. Grenfeilds Loyal Sermon before the Parliament A Caveat for the Cavaliers A Modest Plea both for the Caveat and Author by R. L'Estrange Esq The History of Portugall in 8. Cases of Conscience in the late Rebellion resolved by W. Lyford B. D. Minister of Sherburn in Dorsetshire Dowglas his Coronation Sermon Page 10. J. C. Page 10. Douglas * Epistle to the Reader Marshall * Epistle to the Reader Presbyterian Regulation Exact Collections pag. 310. Page 10. Observation Page 12. Observation His Majesty's Speech for hastning the Act of Indempnity His Majesty's Speech at the passing the Act of Indempnity Page 14. Observation Page 19. Page 20. Page 23. * English and Scotch Presbytery pag. 316. * Hist. of the Ch. of Scotl. p. 479. The Presbyterians practical Ministery Pag. 25. Observation Presbyterian Liberty page 27. page 28. The consequents of Presbyterian Liberty Page 29. Observation Page 29. Page 40. * Note Crofton Page 41. Page 42. Presbytery Antimonarchical The two Houses have no Coercive Power over the King The Covenant an Oath of Confederacy * Note The Covenant neither lawful nor binding Pag. 44. Observation Some honest Presbyterians Page 45. Page 46. Ibid. page 46. Page 47. Page 48. Presbyterians seditious and impenitent page 49. The Two Houses not the Parliament The Legislative power in the King The Two Houses no Court of Judicature Presbyters serve King and Bishops alike Exact Col. 316. page 49. page 50. Presbyterian Loyalty Bodin de Rep. lib. 2. cap. 5. De Rep. lib. 1. cap. 8. lib. 3. cap. 1. Ibid. Pag. 51. Page 51. Presbyterian Positions Page 52. Prelacy a more orderly Constitution than Presbytery Rom. 9.21 Page 53. Page 53. Ibid. Observation Rellquiae sacrae Corolinae Page 158. Page 55. Page 59. * Note * Note Page 58. Note Page 60. Exact Collections Pag. 531. History of Independency page 1. page 2. Page 63. Observation Page 65. Page 66. Page 70. Page 70. Observation Page 73. Page 47. Ibid. Toleration Page 76. Page 84. Observation Page 86. Observ. Significant Ceremonies not sacred Ibid. Observation Ecclesiast polit lib. 5. Sect. 29. Ecclesiast polity lib. 4. Sect. 12. * The Eunomian Hereticks in dishonor of the blessed Trinity brought in the laying on of water but once to cross the custom of the Chur. which in Baptism did it thrice Page 87. Can. 30. Eccles. polit lib. 5. Sect. 71. Page 88. Page 90. Observation Page 91. Observation Page 94. Page 95. Can. 36. Observ. Canonical subscription defended Page 97. * The late Kings Declaration concerning Scotland Page 403. Page 101. x] Can. 6. y] Can. 7. Page 97. Observation Page 103. Observation * Pa. 84. Page 103. Page 111. Observation Page 111. A voluntary Conscience Pa. 114. Observ. Ibid. Observ. Bibliotheca Regia p. 58. His Majestys Protestation page 115. Page 116. Pag. 120. Observation Pag. 120. Ibid. Observation English Scotch Presbyterians no Protestants L' Interest des Princes Discours 7. Puritan-Protestants Page 121. Observation Page 121. Observation Pag. 122. Observation Page 403. Ibid. page 124. Observation Page 17. part 1. Apol. Confess per Pap. Pag. 137. De reform adver Eccles pag. 95. Bez. cont Sarav p. 116. * Note Calvin Epist. Pag. 341. Scripta Anglicana p. 455. H. L. S. His affinity of sacred Liturgies pag. 27. Cap. 27. Cap. 15. Act. 32. Act. 32. Act. 15. Act. 20. Cap. 14. The rise of Presbytery The Process of Presbytery Dangerous Positions pag. 43. Dangerous Pos. pag. 44. Dangerous Pos. pag. 45. Dangerous Pos. pag. 75. pag. 86. pag. 89. pag. 91. Dangerous Pos. pag. 120. pag. 125. Presbyters Doctr. concerning Kings Knox to Engl. and Scotl. fol. 78. Gilby Obedience p. 25. Register p. 48. Goodman p. 144. Spotswoods History of the Chur. of Scotl. p. 330. Scots Plea p. 262. Kings Declaration concerning Scotland p. 404. Ibid. p. 409. Bancroft p. 169. King's declaration 404. Ibid. 408. Ibid. 411 Knox. Bancroft pag. 56. Ibid. p. 58. Admon 1. Cartwright Holy Discipline pag. 260. Ibid. 284. Ibid. Ib. 285. Inter. of Engl. Part. 2. p. 81. * By which term they difference their Classical Approbation from Episcopal Ordination * Inter. of Engl. Par. 2. p. 5● The Reformers way of Petitioning Holy Discipline p. 100. Bancroft's dangerous Posit p. 53. Ibid. p. 56. Ibid. p. 57. Inter. of Engl. p. 29. Ibid. Bancroft Pag. 138. Ibid. 11. P● 14● Inter. of Engl. p. 53. Positions of the Conventicle at Glasgow An. 1638. Presbytery tyrannous to the People Bancroft p. 20. Ibid. p. 105. Presbyters persecutors of K. James K. James his works pag. 305. Ibib. p. 160. The Antiquity of Phanaticks Reasons against Coalition Justice of Conscience Justice of Honor. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 239. K. James his works p. 157. The late Kings Counsels 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Page 236. Ib. p. 239. Ib. p. 240. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 62. Ibid. pag. 169. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Page 182. Ib. p. 236. The late Kings Declaration concerning Scotland pag. 404. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 170. Observation page 14. The best Rule of Interest is the Law Page 36. Observation Page 33. Page 36. The Presbyterian Method of making Peace Page 38. Page 39. Observation Page 42. Page 42. 1 Chr. 12. Page 43. Observation page 54. Ibid. Observation The Presbyterians do their own business in the Kings name Page 60. Page 61. Page 62. Page 63. Observ. Page 65 Observation Page 66. Page 67. Observation Page 73. Page 74. Interest of England Part 1. Page 13. Part 1. Page 49. Ibid. 53. page 75. pag. 75. Observation Page 78. Page 81. Page 83. Page 84. page 98. Interest of England Page 49 Ibid. 98. Page 49. Interest of England Page 101. pag. 104. Observation pag. 106. Observation Page 116. Observation
aforegoing we firmly build this Position That the Presbyterian Party ought not in Justice or Reason of State to be rejected and depressed but ought to be protected and encouraged This is but one Doctor 's opinion we think otherwise Nevertheless says he there being a seeming complication in this business and an other ample Party appearing in competition a difficulty remains and the matter falls into a further deliberation And thereupon we are fallen upon the second Main Enquiry II. Quest. Whether the Presbyterian Party may be protected and encouraged and the Episcopal not deserted nor disobliged Observation 'T is a particular Grace that the Bishops Party may yet be admitted into the Competition and that the man of the short Robe will vouchsafe to enquire into the Consistence of Episcopacy and Presbytery yet it was boldly ventur'd to Determine what Ought to be done before he had examin'd whether the Thing was Fesible or no. I shall not spend my Time to Controvert Idea's and wrangle about Governments in the Air we are for Plain and Practicable Contrivements such as Authority Good Order and Long Experience have recommended to us I suppose the agreeing of Both Parties in such Middle terms as he proposes a thing not utterly Impossible Many things may be fair enough in Notion yet of exceeding hazzard to be put in Practice especially 't is dangerous to try Tricks with Politick Constitutions Great alterations are scarce safe even where they are Lawful and wrought with good Intention Much less are those so which are promoted by a Disorderly and Popular Earnestness and with seditious meaning For this I dare lay down as a Position Never did any Private Party band against a Publick Settlement with an intent to mend it But what have we to do with the Imaginary Coalition of the two Church-Parties when the Kirk-Discipline affronts the Civil Sanction and Actually invades the Kings Authority Let them first bring their Principles to their Duties Treating like Subjects and Submitting as Christians Can any man believe those People Friends to the Church that are Enemies to the State or that the God of Order can be pleased with the Promoters of Confusion Were there no other reason to deny the thing they ask than their bare manner of Asking it ought not to be Granted What signifies their talk of Number Power Resolution but a false Muster of the Faction to make a party with the Rabble when yet God knows they 're Inconsiderable let every man but over-look his Neighbour and Count he 'l find the Disproportion Undoubtedly the most Insufferable of all their Arguments is that of Danger there 's but one step between that Word and Violence First it implies a Seditious Complication They move for such as they believe will Tumult if not where lies the Hazzard Besides those Subjects that dare tell their Prince 't is dangerous to deny their Askings do by that insolence render his Concessions much more hazzardous Persons of that audacious temper will hardly make a sober use of an extorted Bounty So far as Presbyterian and Episcopal purely refer to the Church I shall not much concern my self in Our Resolvers Second main Enquiry Equal to all the World is the Incomparable Hooker upon that Subject but where these terms are in a greater Latitude applyed to Civil matters I shall be bold to pass some further Observations The Dissenting side oppose not all Liturgy but desire that the present onm may be Changd or reformed Observation That 's but a modest Motion But now suppose his Majesty the Law and Forty for One of the Nation should desire the Continuance of it as it is what Equity have the Dissenters to the Change or what would be the Benefit if Granted Not the Tenth part even of the Presbyterians would be contented with it Some of them are against all set-Forms of Common-prayer whatever Others more moderate forsooth do not oppose a prescript Form so it be not enjoyn'd A third sort will vouchsafe to permit the English Liturgy provided they may have the purgeing of it themselves And when all 's done the Sectaries may claim as much right to abolish That as they to alter This. And now for Ceremonies They oppose not any Circumstance of Decency and Order but desire that mystical Ceremonies of humane Institution may be abolished or not enjoyned First the Dissenters are not the Judges of Decency and Order and for Mystical Ceremonies of humane Institution as Scaliger says of the Sepia Caliginem effundit evadit He troubles the Water and escapes in the Dark Multiformity in Religion says our Reconciler pleading for Accommodation publickly profess'd doth not well comport with the spirit of this Nation which is free eager jealous apt to animosities and jealousies besides that it hath ever had a strong propension to Vniformity Observation Had this fallen from a Common pen I could have better born the Disproportion of his Character of the English Temper Free Eager Jealous and yet propense to Vniforformity This seems to me a mixture incompossible But the good man means well and writes so when he lists His drift is to perswade us that to comply with the Presbytery is to comport with the spirit of this Nation which being Free and Eager seems to Cry Beware How blessedly would these Free-spirited Worthies order their Subjects if they were once in power that thus presume from their own Level to Menace and Control Authority If Toleration might compose the Difference there were some hope but That alas is more than they can afford the Government and much less will they accept it for themselves The temper of this Kingdom says he does not well accord with extremes on either hand and to see the fortune of it the Presbyterians are just in the Middle Toleration being not the Daughter of Amity but of Enmity at least in some degree supposeth the party tolerated to be a burden especially if conceived dangerous to the way established and commonly holds no longer than meer necessity compels and consequently neither party take themselves to be safe the one always fearing to lose its Authority and the other its Liberty Observation Behold a learned Expostulation and a dutiful Where the party toelrated appears dangerous to the way established the one fears to lose its Authority and the other its Liberty There 's no great depth in the discovery that from an Opinion of mutual Danger arises mutual Jealousie But what 's this case to the Subject of our Debate By Toleration is not meant an Imprudential Yielding to an Untractable and Churlish Faction but a discreet and pious Application of Tenderness toward such as by their Fair Comportment in the Main of Order and good Manners appear to merit it True it is God himself is the onely Searcher of Hearts who sees our Thoughts even in the bed of their Conception Yet where we find an inconformity of practise to profession people that strein at a