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A60268	Hydrological essayes, or, A vindication of hydrologia chymica being a further discovery of the Scarbrough spaw, and of the right use thereof, and of the sweet spaw and sulpherwell at Knarsbrough : with a brief account of the allom works at Whitby : together with a return to some queries, propounded by the ingenious Dr. Dan Foot, concerning mineral waters : to which is annexed, an answer to Dr. Tunstal's book concerning the Scarbrough spaw : with an appendix of the anatomy of the German spaw, and lastly, observations on the dissection of a woman who died of the jaundice, all grounded upon reason and experiment / William Simpson ...	Simpson, William, M.D.	1670 (1670)	Wing S3834; ESTC R15471	92,097	175

whether they or your Patients do ever discern a● taste or smell of Iron from such Waters Doth no I pray the main reason of Chalybeat Extraction depend upon the reduction of Iron into a Cro●● or the acuation or Menstruums by Saline Spirits 〈◊〉 either of which there happens a solution of some the body of Iron into the Chalybeat Liquors which give them a sapor not a vapour It 's true if you ●● rusty silings of Iron Water upon its affusion ●● thereby have an Iron taste but this is by reason an acid Salt in the Air which hath fretted the 〈◊〉 and t●●ned it into a Crocus of Iron and the● makes it yeeld a solution of some of its parts And now Hydroph by this time I think you and your Apothecaries Boyes have done laughing and may take time to turn your Vapours into Tears and spend them at your leasure Doth not Falopius p. 29 34. who had great experience in Mineral and Metalline Waters say Arbitror non reperiri aquam ferream for certainly if Iron would give it self immediately to Water then should we find frequently those aquae ferreae in places where Waters run through the minera thereof but no such by experience are found therefore our Argument will be strongly inforc'd a majore ad minorem viz. that if in the minera where the parts are more loose it will not yeeld its Vapour or Tincture to Water much less will the compact Body thereof which hath undergone the violence of the melting Forge do any such thing And whereas you cavel at my Philosophical Description of Ink made forth by Colateral Experiments of the Spaw if you could have carpt at any thing therein no question but you would or if you had given a better then you had done like an Artist and so might have passed it over with a joke for though the Subjects sometimes we treat of be but common obvious things yet they require a searching diligence and deep diving Philosophically to solve the abstrusities of the nice Compositions and Commixtures of Bodies to make their Phaenomaena obvious I pray saith my Antagonist p. 35 36. Are Iron and Vitriol all one I think they do as really differ as your Knife and your Ink. Do not all Authors as well Chymical as others that treat of them do it severally And doth not Paracelsus say Natura genorat salem vitriolum dictum c. Do not Gallen Mathiolus Sennertus Pliny Renedeus speak to the same purpose To which I answer That Iron and Vitriol may indeed be two distinct things but then the Vitriol must be such as is made out of some other Metal o● Mineral but if you query concerning natural acid Salt Iron as coexistent in the same Concrete the● I say they are both one viz. they both together make up that Concrete we call Vitriol from which if you separate the Iron what remains falls short o● being a Vitriol and becomes only a Salt which i● more simple than Vitriol as being indeed but one Ingredient thereof And out of such a Vitriol o● Iron if you be a good Metallurgist and skilful Mechanick you may make as good a Blade as you have a Haft for as to what you urge how that those Authors speak in confirmation of your supposition I am not much sollicitous especially if what they write come in competition with truth as i● results from matter of fact besides some of these Authors as they have occasion treat severally o● these Concrets as different Subjects and not as they bear any relation to each other in Mineral Solutions and Concretions and so indeed they are different and may be discoursed of as differently And as to what you repeat out of Paracelsus 〈◊〉 am not concern'd seeing he doth not confirm it by matter of fact nor by any evident demonstration I find Paracelsus very incautious in his assertions and as for true Physiology not much to be regarded besides what he there saith doth diametrically oppose what may be made evident by Experiment for he calls that a Salt which after separation of other Ingredients is yet reducible into a more simple Salt witness the Salt of Vitriols which is separable out of any natural Vitriol after the separation of the Mineral or Metalline parts Yea I will tell you Hydroph that if you can produce out of any of the aforesaid Authors so much experiment as to make evident by matter of fact what you would prove yea if you can shew me from any ingenious Chymical Artist to whom you must be beholden if ever it be done such a Vitriol either extracted from this Spaw or elsewhere that is such a simple Salt as from which I cannot separate a Mineral or Metalline Body or if you can separate a Vitriol out of the Spaw after the precipitation of the minera of Iron The Game I assure you shall be upon your side For where you instance what I say p. 47. of my Hydrol. Chym. in p. 105. of your Mamick viz. that I arguing against Vitriol as being inconsistent with that of Iron in the Spaw the reason you blusht not to urge why though Vitriol be in the Water yet it should not vomit was that we used it said you in Juleps and Cordials which doth not cause Vomiting which you confirm and say That the main part of the Vitriol in this Water is the Spirit which is as much yea far more diluted with the Water wherein it is than the force of the Vitriol is corrected by the vehement heat of the fire in the distilling of the Spirit thereof Now to come to the point Hydroph if it were certainly true what you say that the main part of the Vitriol in the Water is the Spirit then it would without controversie demonstrate it self by distillation For seeing according to your own supposition the Vitriol is in Spirits in the Water and these Spirits are also very subtile volatile and penetrative therefore of necessity upon distillation of these Waters fresh from the Spring these Spirits should arise first but that they do not I can assure you by matter of Experiment for I distilled some fresh Water from the Fountain in a Glass Retort at Scarbrough whose joynts was exactly closed up I sav'd the first half ounce yea and in another distillation of fresh Water the first quarter of an ounce of Water which came over supposing that if any volatile vitrioline Spirits would come it would be at the very first whose taste or smell did not I affirm at all resemble the Spirits of Vitriol which according to your Hypothesis they should have done But suppose that what had come off at the first had been of the nature of vitrioline Spirits and had by the sharpness of their taste and sulphureousness of their odour demonstrated themselves to have been such which yet I assure you hapned to the contrary yet would it not thence have followed that these had been Vitriol as you assert for it is if I mistake

you expresly say That this precipitated black Pouder hath its colour from the Vitriol and yet is the Iron Ingredient of the Spaw therefore according to your own words it should follow that the Vitriol is yet left behind in the Water which if so Why doth it not upon a new addition of Galls give fresh tincture Why is it that upon the precipitation of this Crocus by long carriage of the Water it will give no more tincture by Galls as we find by experiment For I observe that when the minera of Iron is separated by precipitation out of the Spaw Water that neither Galls nor solution of Galls either of which would have done before will cause any alteration either of Red Purple or Black Colour which it would certainly do if the Vitriol were there which according to your own words gives the colour So that of necessity either the Vitriol is not in the Water or what you speak of it is not true chuse whether you please Hydroph you are pinch't and that no Vitriol remains after the falling down of the minera of Iron is apparent because if you then pour a dissolved lixiviate Salt thereon instead of precipitating a terra vitrioli which in all solutions of natural Vitriols will happen you shall have nothing but a white troubled milkie Liquor which will in a little time let fall the several contained fabulous Concretions which had been dissolved before in the Water and the Esurine together with the Nitrous Salt which acuated the Water and made it as a menstruum will be imbrac'd and complicated for the most part with the Lixivial Salts into a kind of Tartarum Vitriolatum So that by this it 's as plain as the Sun at noon day that there is an inconsistency of Vitriol and Iron as two distinct Ingredients of the Spaw The presence of which as two distinct constitutive principles thereof was what I opposed with sufficient grounds and now farther confirm which I think may byas any unprejudiced Reader All Authors saith my Antagonist whether Chymists or others account the Esurine Spirit or Juyce of Vitriol enough to impregnate a Water with an acidity that shall make it corrode other Minerals or Metals by which it passeth So as we may very well lay aside this Esurine Salt or primum eus salium as wholly precarious How now Hydroph do you accuse me of contradictions which I hope e're long I shall take of for the most part and yet your self guilty of the same even within the compass of half a dozen lines Can the Esurine Spirit or Juyce of Vitriol impregnate Water as a menstruum and yet the same thing viz. the Esurine Salt for by Esurine Spirit Esurine Salt or primum ens salium the same is understood be wholly precarious how doth this hang together I perceive you have imbib'd but a very sleight touch of Helmont otherwise you would have been better impregnated with his Principles than to have denyed the same thing you had before owned in a very little different expression Do not you frequently mention the Esurine Salt p. 5 6 7 17. viz. That by its Esurine Salt speaking of the Spaw it more freely corrodes the Iron and that Vitriol hath an Esurine Salt or Spirit in it self and yet here you say It may be laid aside as wholly precarious this is quidlibet ex quolibet justly retorted But why do I trouble my self these are only sudden flashes of your gnis fatum soon in and soon out apt to lead the timerous and unwary aside But pray if Iron be in this Spaw as a distinct Ingredient thereof from Vitriol What is that which is the menstruum in the Water to dissolve Iron viz. to make it appear in the form of a Liquor I tell you saith he what will do it besides the Alkahest of the Chymist Vitriol imbib'd at the first doth by its Esurine Salt make the Water corrosive and fit to take that or any other Mineral that is in its way Well this is a confirmation of your late Contradiction yet you hover and endeavour to gain the Forts you formerly quitted for first you own an Esurine Salt p. 5 6 7. and then p. 11. you lay it aside as wholly precarious and here p. 17. you very fairly take it up again and p. 96. you say you have with good reason exploded Helmonts primumens I 'le refer you saith my Antagonist to your grand Master Paraceisus where treating of Acid Waters Harum ortus est inquit ex resolutione Metallorum antequam ad maturitatem pervenerint And presently after saith Interdum ex vitriolo a lumine hujusmodi aquae promanant You are mistaken Sir I pretend not to be a Paracelsian in Physiology not much valuing his Theory your self quote him five times I may say I think for my once what I esteem him for was his Medicinal Arcana's by which he was enabled to perform great Cures maugre yours and others malice against him and other searchers of Nature As to that first sentence you urge if you consult a little further you will find he saith Aurum plumbum dant dulcedinem cuprum ferrumque aciditatem Now as for Gold that will give no Vitriol and for Lead that requires an Acid Salt either Vegetable or Mineral to make a Saccharine Vitriol thereof and Copper or Iron with an additional Acreal or Mineral Acid Salt gives in a Water Spring an acidity that is in short makes a Vitriol either of Iron or Copper But to proceed There are four wayes saith my Antagonist p. 21. whereby Water may imbibe the Nature or Vertue of a Mineral or Metal The first is By receiving its Vapour thus Water standing some while in a Brass or Iron Vessel will taste of the Brass or Iron Not to say Hydroph that those four wayes of imbibitions you reckon are pillag'd out of Doctor French his Book of Knarsbrough Spaw and out of Falopius cap. 8. without taking notice of the Authors is a crime you can indulge your self and not another Falopius tells us in that place where he speaks of the several commixtures of Minerals and Metals in Water Omnes mixtiones pendent a triplici causa Scilicet a calors a mora ab aptitudine materiae ad Eliquationem The last of which insinuates an aptitude of the Solvent solvable or both Non solum he goes on telluris species sed vapores succi metalla in subterraneis cavernis reperiuntur c. Amongst those he calls succi he reckons the Mineral Salts which as Basilius Valentinus who was much conversant amongst Minerals and Metals saith are the Keys to unlock the Mineral Kingdom and that whether naturally in the Bowels of the Earth or artificially upon solid Minerals or Metals and amongst the succs Minerales Falopius reckons the succus Calcanthi which whether ever it fell in his or some others way that treat cursorily thereof to anatomize that Mineral so as to rightly understand its constitutive Ingredients may