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A18368	A treatise against iudicial astrologie Dedicated to the right Honorable Sir Thomas Egerton Knight, Lord Keeper of the great Seale, and one of her Maiesties most honorable priuie Councell. VVritten by Iohn Chamber, one of the prebendaries of her Maiesties free Chappell of VVindsor, and fellow of Eaton College.	Chamber, John, 1546-1604.	1601 (1601)	STC 4941; ESTC S107654	105,203	193

this point we may safely follow Galen but not in the other both because he was deceiued as hath bin proued and because his iudgement and authoritie in Philosophy is not much set by euen of some of his best friends for both Auicen and Rabby Moses gaue out that hee did but flutter in the bowes of arts and neuer came at the root Oftentimes also he faileth in logike and naturall philosophie and in his discourses of motus and anima How slenderly he was seen in Astrologie may appeare by his computation which he maketh of the course of the Moone and Conciliators defence of him is that in his time the motion of heauen and that skill was very gazen and scarce well found Farther he plainely refuseth to giue the reason why the Moone should haue any such force in these quadrangular and opposite signes alleaging only the authoritie of the Aegyptians whome notwithstanding in the sixt booke of Simples he taunteth and condemneth as doters Neither could they be obserued of such as neuer well knew the course of the Moone For Hipparchus of Rhodes was the first that in this point came any thing neare the truth after him Ptolemy did better yet so that the Arabians did not allow of him Our moderne masters the course of the Moone being better found haue picked a new reason out of the nature of the signes which agreeth neither with the truth nor with Galen whō they follow nor with their positions which they defend The quadrangular and opposite signes say they haue contrary qualities they meane for heat cold drinesse and moysture either both or the actiue qualities at least Then going on they farther ad that the quadrangular and opposite aspects are contrarie Vpon these suppositions they infer that when the Moone is come to these places which are contrary to those which it was in at the beginning of the disease then nature the disease striue For example say they if the Moone be in Taurus when one falleth sicke when it commeth to the quadrangular or opposite place to wit Leo or Scorpius then is deadly feid betweene the disease and nature Hence we infer that the Moone will much more doe it when she is in Gemini which differeth from Leo more then Taurus doth the like will fall out when she is in Libra which differeth from Taurus more then doth Scorpius This argument or consequence is to be proued euen out of the Astrologers themselues For by their positions the sign of Taurus is dry cold Leo dry and hot Scorpius drie and cold Gemini hot and moist To this perhaps they will reply that these signes are not ioyned by any aspect Againe we proue that there is no contrarietie in these places For if they be contrarie the Moone by their position should shew this contrarie effect as soone as it came to any place of contrarie qualitie but it commeth from a cold and drie place to an hot and moist yeeldeth not the contrarie effect therefore this position falleth Now if they will say that the force consisteth in the aspects themselues they ought consequently to holde that the Moone comming to trigonall signes should fortifie the disease because there is as much force to concord in triangles as to discord in squares for as by reason of discord of qualities quadrangles stir vp the disease so by reason of concord triangles shall not stir them vp This being thus that will follow to crosse the rules of Phisitians that the 11 day will be hurtfull which notwithstanding is otherwise by their rules seing that the Moone the 11. day almost groweth trigonall Farther it cannot be as Phisitians hold that the sixt eight day among the rest cause ill cōmotions for this were against Astrologie which vpon those dayes bringeth the Moone to square aspects Againe why count they the tenth day twelfth hurtfull the Moone then not being placed in any aspect with the signe of the disease But neither by reason of sun Moon nor constellation can they finde any cause why the criticall daies should be sometime euen sometime od For to let the rest passe now they make the 41. day criticall after that they drawe in euen dayes the 60 the 80 and the 120. then they goe by moneths and yeares For the constellations in these times doe much vary as the astrologers say whereas the phisitians will haue their criticall dayes to be set continuall and vniforme To shut vp this discourse let vs heare the shamefull errour of Conciliator the malice of the sixt day which Galen compareth to a tyrant as the seuenth day to a king may be saith he reduced to the Moone which commeth with more speede to the tetragonal aspect The goodnesse of the seuenth he chargeth vpon the nature of the tetragonall which was cōtrary to the signe of the disease So from the square he deriueth both the malice of the sixt and the goodnes of the seuenth Farther the circuit of humours he reduceth to the starres the slowest circuit of melancholy for that lieth quiet two dayes he referreth to Saturne choler he ascribeth to Mars flegme to the Moone blood to Iupiter but how fondly now see The blood putrifieth without any pause therfore his circuit should by their rule be ascribed to the swiftest planet not to Iupiter which if you consider his reuolution is the slowest of all sauing Saturne Againe if that be true that the operation of the slower starres be slower proportionably to their slownesse then choler should make a longer fit then flegme because the restitution or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of Mars is much slower then the Moones Notwithstanding the flegmatique fit is much longer then the fit of choler for this latter is twelue howers the other is eighteene howers long Hence is cleare that the course giuen to flegme doth better fit blood for whereas it resembleth the motion of the sea which ebbeth and floweth scarse putting any time betweene that doth better agree to blood then flegme which is in cōtinual motion as the sea is in which the litle time betweene the ebbing and flowing can by no meanes answer to the sixt howers respite in a flegmatike ague Lastly if flegme answered to the water then in twentiefoure howers it should make two periods of motition as the sea doth which we see doth not answear neither Farther there is more resemblance agreement betweene the earth and the water thē earth and fire in respect both of motion qualities and place and because they be as Aristotle saith symbola For the earth is cold drie the water cold and moist the fire hot dry the first two descending the fire ascending which also is in the highest spheare as the earth in the lowest with the water next it and then the ayre Therefore the motion of choler should more differ from flegme then from melancholie if the humors be compared with the elementes And now that the Pope intercalateth certaine dayes sooner then we and at

Philosophers with good groūd of reason Salomon whom we all know to haue excelled all that euer were both for learning and wisdome as being inspired rather from God than taught by man witnesseth in plaine words and at large that hee learned of God whatsoeuer pertained to the framing and motion of the heauens both for the order of the spheres and their motion in how much time euerie Planet passeth the Zodiake with what varietie of course neuer so altering or varying but that still at the same time they returne to the same place Now if diuine Plato passing all that euer wrote or spake both for varietie and grauitie when he marked the whole earth firme and round in the middest and withall the figure of the world to be most capable as able to receiue all other figures hauing neither rub nor stop nor angle nor corner nor falling nor swelling when he I say marked these things if he brake out with this golden sentence Of all Geometricians God is the greatest why may not wee viewing the wonderfull swiftnesse and constant conuersion of heauen yearely finishing the same course with the singular preseruation and maintenance of all things very truly and well say that there is no Astronomer to God True it is but it were long to shew with how many reasons it may be proued that both this arte and all the rest are deriued from God himselfe For the dignitie of this arte that also maketh not a litle that being so well borne so famously descended when now it was brought from heauen to earth it crept not into a corner or sought to conuerse with base people but tooke that course whereby shee might easily keepe her owne by spreading the beams of her fame renowne far neere Wherfore cōmonly she hath made her companions kings and great men conuersing euer most familiarly freely with them as being stirred vp of God for her protection wherfore to seek the original Adā the first man and our first father whom al things did most wonderfully and diligently obey is thought first to haue obserued the course of the Sun and the Moone and the other starres with their rising and setting and such other matters After him came Seth in yeares I meane after him but in this skill nothing behind him These two as writeth Iosephus how truelie I cannot tell when by their diligent perusing of heauen they foresaw the double destructiō of the world the one by drowning the other by burning erected two pillers the one of bricke the other of stone in which both of them graued their inuentions that if the bricke one should happen to be defaced with the water the stone piller as suruiuer might remaine to shew men what inscriptions it bare This stone piller in Iosephus his time was to be seen in Syria The same Iosephus but in another place sheweth how Abraham hauing heard of the great fertilitie of Egypt went thither and imparted to them both these artes to wit Arithmetike and Astronomie Againe when S. Luke in those admirable actes of the Apostles writeth that Moses was so furnished with those Egyptian artes is he deceiued himselfe or would he deceiue others What shuld we say of Romulus who is reported to haue built Rome by starcraft the Moone being in Libra of Ptolemie who for his wit paines and learning was so rare and excellent that he seemed to be out of the common reach of men of Alphonsus King of Spaine who for his skill was called by the name of Astrologus And to come nearer home for me thinks our owne and later things are much more pleasant then those ancient forren examples what shall we say of Ethelstanus who in our chronicles is recorded to haue compiled in this art a fine and learned worke Of King Henrie the seuenth of that name whether for wisdome or wealth more to be admired it is hard to say but how oft by some is he reported to haue by the constitution of heauen and starres to haue directed his Christmasse keeping Of his sonne Henrie the eight a son worthy such a father who if he be compared with other Kings not of England onely but of all Europe doth so far passe them all for princely vertues as the tallest tree doth the lowest shrub for height Neither are we here to hearken to Osorius a man in his own conceit very learned in the iudgement of others not vnlearned he in the fift booke of the Education and training of princes doth in word and shew allowe his prince some little smatch in Astronomy but in deed and effect disallowed it For he would not haue his prince to spend much time in this studie For by a certaine abundante caution he is affraid least while he maketh too long abode and stay in euery of these arts he should too much alienate seuer his soul frō the body become after a sort sencelesse and so vnfit for gouernment But Alexander the great whom al princes may wel and safely follow and so are wont ought was not only skilfull in this science but had attained not to a sophisticall pratling shew of artes but to that perfection which the Greekes in one word are wont to call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Filthie Epicure in describing the nature of God Osorius in his Education seeme to haue taken the like course For Epicure when for his credit sake and to avoid slaunder he had admitted certaine thorowelight perflable gods hauing an appearance of a body with out all solide substance in the end confesseth that his God hath not a very body but as it were a bodie nor any true blood but as it wer blood In like sort Osorius wil haue his prince but a smatterer in al things not an Astronomer but as it were an Astronomer not a Musitian but as it were a Musitian not a Logitian but as it were a logitiā in a word not learned but as it were learned But to dismisse Osorius with good tearmes much good do it him with his Kings of his owne breed In the meane time let vs hold vs to those old ones Alexāder Romulus Ptolemy Alphōsus Ethelstanus the rest Wherfore to cōclude this part of dignitie me thinke I haue alreadie sufficiently shewed you not only the countrie of Astronomie but her kind and nurserie and tracts of her auncestours Wherefore it wil be good to stay here and not proceed farther that we may come sooner to the rest It is a generall receiued opinion wherewith all men are possessed that Astronomie is of great name great renowne great shew but of no benefit no commoditie as hauing no certaine end whereat to aime or whither to refer it selfe To firret this lewd opinion out of the enimies of good arts to plucke vp by the roote all the sprigs of this madnesse I will declare so much as at this present commeth to my mind concerning the benefit which issueth from Astronomie While I am in this cogitation