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A51590 The Catholike scriptvrist, or, The plea of the Roman Catholikes shewing the Scriptures to hold forth the Roman faith in above forty of the chiefe controversies now under debate ... / by I.M. Mumford, J. (James), 1606-1666. 1662 (1662) Wing M3063; ESTC R32100 169,010 338

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and how exceeding visible must be the number of the people who are visibly to be ruled fedd and taught And yet again v. 25. If I have not set my covenant between night and day and laws to heaven and earth surely I will allso cast of the seed of Iacob and of David my servant that I take not of his seede Princes of the seede of Abraham Isaac and Iacob These Levites and Priests shal not be so by birth but they shall be taken out of Italians Africans Grecians the Ilands as Isaias sayth in his last Chap. v. 21. Though your Bible did not interpret the Hebrew names of the Countries These Texts then manifestly tell the perpetuall succession of Priests and Pastours in Christs Church so that we are no lesse assured of haveing lawfull Princes in the Church lawfully still governing the same then we are assured of haveing night and day and the heavens moveing above us and the earth standing under us A point much to be noted yet we may confidently say no Church no Church but the Roman can doe this 6. Ezechiel Chap. 17.22 Thus sayth our Lord. And I will take the marrow of the high Cedar and will set it and will plant it upon a mountaine a mountaine high and eminent On the high mountaines of Israël will I plant it and it shall shoote forth into a budd and shall yeild fruit and it shall be into a great Cedar and all Birds and every foule sball dwell under the shaddowe of the boughes thereof and shall there make theyr nests Behould Christs Church which in her beginning was but a small graine of mustard seede now growne up to the greatnes of such a Cedar as this is And not growne and growne untill at last she was growne quite invisible Memorable is that Text Chap. 36.25 And I will powre out upon you cleare water and you shall be cleansed from all your contaminations and from all your Idolls will I cleanse you and give you a new heart and will put a new spirit in the middest of you and will by my grace make that you shall walke in my precepts and keepe my judgments and doe them Before we goe farther I pray take speciall notice that the Church by the grace of Christ is freed from feare of being abandoned because she did at any time grow to forsake Gods judgments for he will still give her grace to keepe them In that day that I shall cleanse you from all your iniquities and shall make the Cities to be inhabited and shall repaire the ruinous places and the desert land shall be tilled and they shall say This land untilled is become a garden of pleasure And v. 37. I will encrease them with men like a flock as the flock of Hierusalem in her solemne feasts in which feasts many thousand men gathered out of every howshold of that nation did use to goe up to Hierusalem so shall the desert Cities be full of flocks of men How can universality and a most visible numerosity be more fully expressed when even the desert places shall be filled as Hierusalem was thronged and crowded in the solemnityes thereof Daniel Chap. 2. v. 35. makes the Church of a litle stone grow into a moutaine filling the whole earth how ridiculously then do you tell me you can scarce see it for this 1000. yeares before Luther 7. Micheas Chap. 4.1 And it shall be in the later end of the dayes 1. Io. 2.18 the time of the new Testament is called the last howre there shall be the mount of the howse of our Lord prepared in the topp of mountaines and high above all the hills what more visible and people shall flow unto it and many nations shall hasten and shall say Come let us goe up to the mountaine of our Lord and to the howse of the God of Iacob c. And v. 7. I will make her that labours into a mighty nation and our Lord will reigne over them from this time now and for ever So that from this time now and for ever the Church was promised still for all ages to be a mighty or strong nation Never a small invisible unknowne company 8. Zacharias Chap. 14. v. 8. And it shall be in that day liveing waters shall issue forth of Hierusalem halfe of them to the east sea and halfe of them to the last sea in summer and winter shall they be and our Lord God shall be King over all the earth and in that day shall be one Lord and his name shall be one And by and by he tells us at large even to the end of the Chapter how all nations shall be accursed that come not up to adore in his Church A manifest signe of her pepetuall purity in Doctrine For how would God lay such curses ad plagues upon men for refusing to follow the Church erring 9. Malach. Chap. 1.11 tells us the Church shall be extended as farr as the sun beames among the Gentills From the rising of the sun even to the goeing downe thereof great is my name among the Genrills and in every place there is sacrificing and there is offered a cleane oblation because my name is great among the Gentills sayth the Lord of Hosts Behould the true Church all the world over offering a pure and gratefull sacrifice 10. The places of the new Testament are more knowne as that the Church by reason of her continuall university is A Citie upon a Hill still to be seene from all places A Candle upō a candlestick as well seene to the whole world as a cādle to the whole Roome in which it burnes The Apostles are sent to preach to all Nations The litle mustard seed grows to be the bighest of all plants like the Cedar in Ezechiel chap. 17.22 S. Peters nett is even broken with the taking of fish c. But because the new Testament writes no farther then the Acts of the Apostles and contained but small part of them the subsequent conversion of the multitude of Nations of the strenghth of Gentils and of all the Kings of the earth as the above cited Texts declare is to be taken out of historie in which manifestly the truth of all that was foretold doth appeare But all this wholy and intirely was performed by the Roman Church onely that is by such as have beene knowne to have joyned in Communion with her If you say the Roman is not the true Church heere foretold by the Prophets then I pray ponder well how impossible it is for you upon earth to find any other Church to which those manifold Prophecies with any shew of probality can be applied THE FIFT POINT Of the infallibility of the Church and consequently of her fitnes to be judge of controversies 1. NOte that in two manners or wayes things of beleefe and practice may be delivered by a community The first is whē such things once received by the sayd Community are perpetually retained by the same in all places by the
laudable to pray to them 1. FIrst Protestants often ask us where wee have a command to pray to Angels or Saints I answer that if there be many advantages accruing to us by the devout Invocation of Saints then it is apparent that Prudence and Charity to our selves ought to excite us thereunto as it doth to seek shelter when it raines without beeing called to go under shelter by the cryers voice as they say some simple people are it is as simple to exact a commād in a thing of greater benefit I say moreover that if there be a command to begg the prayers of Saints living on earth that command a fortiore urgeth us to begg the prayers of Saints living in heaven they being more willing and more able to help us If there be no such command and yet wee may without any command practise that laudably so allso may wee laudably practise this without a command seeing that they hear us as well as the Saints living with us Why then may wee not say to Saints in heaven that which S. Paul sayd to Saints on earth Brethren pray for us Iobs friends were commanded to go to Iob to pray for them as wee shall shew more fully n. 9. You all keep the Sunday Where is that commanded to you You answer it is sufficient to see examples of it among the first Christians So say I it is sufficient wee shew you exemples in Scripture of such as prayed to Angels For of praying to Saints the old Testament could not write no Saints being as then in heaven The four Ghospels writt no farther then the Ascension of Christ to heaven before which no Saint allso was in heavē Wherefore you need not wonder that in the 4. Ghospels you see no mention of praying to Saints in heaven In S. Pauls Epistles you find him begging prayers of Saints on earth So Hebr. 13. v. 18. Pray for us Seeing then that prayer to Saints in heaven is more beneficiall to us it is allso by manifest consequence more to be used by us And as often as the Scripture exhorts us to promote our saluation and spirituall good by all meanes wee can so often doth it exhort us to use this meanes as much or more then begging the prayers of others upon earth In fine when a thing hath many spirituall goods in it wee are sufficiently invited thereunto without a command So no body commanded Timothie still to drink water S. Iohn to drink no wine and to come neither eating nor drinking nor his Disciples to fast often See Point 22. It is sufficient that wee obtain much good thereby 2. That by praying to Saints wee obtain much good I prove by proving that Saints can and will help us which all they supposed who called upon them as Gen. 48.15 And Iacob blessed the sons of Ioseph and sayd God before whom my Fathers walked the Angels that delivered or redeemed me from all evill blesse the lads Hee calls first upon God and then upon his good Angel to helpe those Children And he tells you that this Angel delivered him from severall evils How Iacob prayed this Angel is expressed Osee 12.4 Iacob prevailed against the Angel and hee weept ande made supplication unto him So Iobs friend following the practise of those times did bidd him call upon some Saint or Angel as I shewed last point n. 3. How well the Angels wish us theyr joy for the conversion of sinners testifyeth And if the evill Angels are so restles in circling about to see whom they can devour and accuse our Bretheren night and day as I shewed in the former point n. 7. The good Angels are no lesse carefull to seek whome they can defend help and save 3. Hence that earnest prayer of that Angel Zach. 1. v. 12. And the Angel of our Lord sayd ô Lord of Hosts how long wilt thou not have mercy on Ierusalem and on the Citties of Iuda against which thou hast had indignation these three score and tenne yeares What call you praying if this be not Now hear with what effect this Angel prayed for them And our Lord answered the Angel good words confortable words Behold here this Angel would and could help our necessityes And of S. Michael in particular Daniel sayth c. 10. v. 21. There is none that holdeth with me in these things but Michael your Prince And c. 12. v. 1. At that time shall stand up Michael the great Prince who standeth for the Children of thy people In what doth S. Michael stand for Gods people if he doth not so much as pray for them 4. That by the merits of Saints wee may begg and obtain favours I prove allso thus 1. Kings 15.5 When wicked Abias reigned in Iuda for Davids sake our Lord his God gave him a lamp in Ierusalem that he might rayse up his sonne after him and establish Ierusalem because David had done right in the eyes of our Lord. When a hundred eighty five thousand Assyrians came to besiege Ierusalem God by his Prophet sayd to Ezechias I will protect this Citty that I may save it for my owne sake and for Davids sake my servant Isa 37. v. 25. That is say the Protestants for my promise made to David But wee say if they seeke over all Scripture they will find no such promise made to David of defending or protecting Ierusalem Yea wee prove there could be no such promise because Ierusalem in the captivity was not protected but ruinated 5. The power which the prayers of Saints have and that they use carefully to pray for us is often expressed in Scripture Ieremy 15.1 Though Moyses and Samuel stood before me yet my mind could not be toward the people By which manner of speeeh it appeares that Moyses and Samuel long sincc dead were after theyr death used to pray for the people and that theyr prayers were most powerfull So a King may say though my Mother shall come to me and pray I will not hear her You shall see Daniel of like merit and power with God in just such another Text. Ezech. 14. v. 14. I will kill out of the Land man and beast And if these three men shall be in the midst thereof Noë Daniel and Iob they by theyr Iustice shall deliver theyr own soules Yet though these three men were in it sayth our Lord they shall deliver neither Sons nor Daughters but themselves alone shall be delivered Which he repeates again v. 20. This joyning of Daniel a Saint then living with Noë and Iob dead so many hundred yeares before sheweth that these men by theyr prayers no lesse powerfully interposed themselves then Daniel living Of Elias his care to assist his people after his death wee gave you a memorable testimony in the former point n. 5. In the famous vision of Iudas Machabeus 2. Mach. c. 15. v. 12. First Onias who had been the high Priest but was now dead stretching forth his hands prayed for all the people of the Iewes