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A47591	Light broke forth in Wales, expelling darkness, or, The Englishman's love to the antient Britains [sic] being an answer to a book, iutituled [sic] Children's baptism from Heaven, published in the Welsh tongue by Mr. James Owen / by Benjamin Keach.	Keach, Benjamin, 1640-1704.	1696 (1696)	Wing K75; ESTC R32436	280,965	390

no real but Typical Baptism 2. This Place proves not that Infants are the Subjects of Gospel Baptism 1. 'T is said all our Fathers were baptized but 't is nor said their Children were baptized unto Moses in the Sea and under the Cloud 2. But you intimate there were many Children with them as they passed through the Sea To which I answer so there were many wicked Men also all the Israelites were not godly Persons but many among them were prophane and ungodly People Besides there was a mixt People passed through the Sea with the Fathers also may be some of the Egyptians and others of other Nations and much Cattle also and these were all baptized as truly as were the little Children May we baptize such therefore we have as much ground from hence to baptize such as you have to baptize your Babes nay more ground if the Rain falling upon the Israelites was that which baptized them 't is a Question whether any Rain might fall on little Babes if it fell on their Parents for the Parents might cover them by holding some thing over their Heads and Bodies c. 3. The same Persons which the Apostle saith were baptized in the Sea and under the Cloud are also said to eat the same Spiritual Meat and to drink the same Spiritual Drink Now did not the Children partake of the Lord's Supper I mean that Typical Lord's Supper This Text therefore proves as strongly that you may give them the Lord's Supper as Baptism because they ate of the Manna that fell from Heaven and drank of the Water that came from the Rock 4. The design of the Apostle here is to forewarn the Saints at Corinth to take heed lest they fell as the Fathers fell in the Wilderness and to caution them the more effectually he shews them that the Fathers who fell not the Children in the Wilderness had like great Privileges with them viz. a Typical Baptism and also a Typical Lord's Supper Therefore nothing of this matter concerned their little Babes nor ours neither As to what you say of whole Housholds being baptized in the New Testament in this Chapter I shall refer my Answer to that Chapter of yours where you particularly insist upon that weak Argument You say the Parents and their Children were baptized by giving of the Law upon Mount Sinai Exod. 19. 10. Go to the People and sanctify them and let them wash their Clothes Now the washing of their Clothes and the washing of the Flesh went together Lev. 15. 5 6. wash his Clothes and wash himself in Water Being thus washed the Apostle saith that all the People entred into God's Covenant by Baptism Heb. 9. 19. For when Moses had spoken every Precept to the People according to the Law he took the Blood of Calves and of Goats with Water and sprinkled both the Book and the People The Apostle calls this Sprinkling Baptism Heb. 9. 10. divers Baptisms c. Answ I answer you have once already to your great Reproach and I fear contrary to the Light of your own Conscience asserted that which is false I appeal to you and all that can read the Greek whether that word in Heb. 9. 10. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 divers washings which I deny not may be read divers baptisms is the same word in Heb. 9. 19. viz. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sprinkling the Book and all the People is it there 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Speak and confess your Ignorance or else acknowledg your Sin in going about to deceive the People by making them believe that sprinkling is in Greek Baptism or baptizing For tho washing in Heb. 9. 10. is Baptism or baptizing yet in Heb. 9. 19. sprinkling both the Book and People you must needs know is in the Greek rantizing 2. And what tho these divers washings are called Baptisms I have shew'd once already from a Faithful and Learned Author namely Mr. Henry Ainsworth that all those Legal Washings were by total dipping of the whole Body Take his Words again on Levit. 11. 32. All that are unclean whether Men or Vessels are not cleansed but by dipping or baptizing in Water and wheresoever the Law speaketh of washing a Man's Flesh or washing of Clothes for Uncleanness it is by dipping the whole Body therein and whether they be Men or Vessels there may not be any thing between them and the Water to keep them asunder as Clay Pitch or the like that cleaveth to the Body or Vessel if there be then they are saith he unclean and their washing profiteth them not Maim Mikvaoth chap. 1. § 12 21. Take heed what you affirm for the future This Man you and all know was well acquainted with Jewish Rites and Ceremonies and what can be a more full Confutation of what you affirm of Jewish Washings or Baptisms But where we read of sprinkling of Blood and Water 't is not baptizing unless baptizing and rantizing be both one and the same Word and Thing which we utterly deny 3. What tho the People were washed even all the whole Congregation Was not that a Typical Church and did it not typify that all true Believers must be washed in the Blood of Christ in Justification and also washed by the Holy Spirit in Sanctification These Things were held forth thereby and not Baptism You would make one thing that is a Figure or Shadow a Type of another thing that is also it self but a Shadow or Figure for Baptism signifies Christ's Death Burial and Resurrection and our Death unto Sin and Vi●ification to a new Life But those Types were Shadows of good things to come even of Christ he was the Substance of them all they must I say prefigure a Substance not a Shadow 4. In a word all your labour is here lost about those divers Legal Baptisms and Rites under the Old Testament and of Children being in that Covenant because they were all Types even that all the Elect or all that believe in Christ should be washed in Christ's Blood or have his Blood sprinkled upon them and be sanctified by his Spirit Also it was a legal external and Typical Covenant and an external Typical Church holding forth the true Spiritual Gospel-Church and that like as Circumcision and those divers washings did belong to the whole House of Israel whether Godly or not So all the true Israel under the Gospel Dispensation should have the Substance and Anti-type of them and when any have attained to Faith in Christ and have what is signified in Baptism then and not till then they ought to be baptized but this not simply because they are in Covenant or have the thing signified in Baptism but because of the express and positive Command of Christ I say again nothing can give being to an Ordinance that wholly depends on a meer positive Rite but the express Will and Command of the Law-giver To conclude with this I infer 1. From the whole in Opposition to what

Infant baptism deny the Communion of the National Church of which perhaps they were once Members but this is not to make a division in the Mistical Body of Christ nor in a true Constituted Gospel Church 'T is a duty to come out from every false Church Come out of her● my People Rev. 18. 4. 7. If baptism be that Ordinance that Unites us into the true Visible Church and Christs baptism be that of Believers then Mr. Owen in denying of believers baptism which I have proved is that one baptism is as much guilty of Sin in hindring that Union by obstructing as much as in him lieth Believers to be baptized and so Unite them to the said true Visible Church of Christ as those that divide from it and is this a small sin but Believers baptism is that Uniting Ordinance without baptism upon profession of Faith no Person according to the rule of the Gospel can be United to a true Visible Church of Christ It is a dangerous thing to hinder persons from Joyning with a true Church as renting from it but so it is not for leaving of a false Church 8. From hence also it appears that our separation from those Churches that are Constituted upon Infant Baptism do but divide from such Churches that are not orderly gathered or Constituted according to the rule of the Gospel and Institution of Jesus Christ and therefore no sin so to do 9. Nay and evident it is that the greatest Body of Mr. Owens Universal Catholick Church is Antichristian For I think none question but the Popish Church which is founded on Infant baptism is for Number more then the Protestant Churches however the Roman Church must be by what he intimates one great part of the Catholick Church or Church of the living God 10. And lastly Mr. Owen mistakes the Waters we drink of who maintain Believers Baptism are not Stolen Waters but Waters lawfully come at being taken out of the Fountain of Gods Word and are part of the Waters of God's Sanctuary and therefore they are sweet to our Souls and our Bread is from our Fathers Table being no other than what all the Children of God did feed upon in the Apostolical Primitive times and his Stolen Water of Infant Baptism may prove bitter at the end notwithstanding his vain boasts but let him see to that may be God may open his Eyes and cause him to Vomit it up by Repentance which I shall rejoyce to hear you say this division is very much alike unto that of the Antient Donatists who were for rebaptizing because they accounted them sinners that first baptized them c. A●sw We are I tell you again as much against rebaptizing as you can be but you want the essentials of Baptism both in respect to the form of baptism and the subjects thereof Sprinkling is not baptizing and Infants are not the true Subjects of Christ's baptism but Believers only You proceed to give out of History the opinion of the Ancient Fathers about rebaptizing Thus saith say you Optatus Et quid vobis visum est non post nos sed post trinitatem baptisma geminare Why do you rebaptize not only after us but after the Trinity Opt. Lib. 5. p. 51. Opt. Lib. 5. page 61. Quicunque a vobis se rebaptizari c. Whoever consenteth to be rebaptized by you he ariseth up certainly but naked because he hath permitted you to deprive him of his Wedding Garment Austin saith Revera enim fieri potest ut sceleratior sit Rebaptizator totius hominis quam solius corporis interemptor Aug. ad Eleusium Ep. 163. It being possible for him who baptizeth the whole Man to be worser then him who killeth the Body only Again Rebaptizare haereticum hominem omnino peccatum est immanissimum It is a sin to rebaptize an Heretick but to rebaptize a Catholick or one in Unity with the Universal Church is a dreadful Sin Aug. de unico Bapt. cap. 13. If any say you judge these are words too harsh let them consider that they are Austin's words and not mine I set them down for to shew the Judgment of the Old Primitive Church about rebaptization Answ I answer these Instances hurt not us for it appears in both these Quotations that the Persons rebaptized were Dipped first when baptized and might be Believers also for in the first that word implyeth no less viz. riseth up denoting he was buried in the Water Your Infants when baptized as you call it cannot be said to rise up and Austins words imply plainly the baptizing the whole Body who baptizeth saith he the whole Man but you only Sprinkle and not the whole Body but the Face only These Instances make against your Rantism or Sprinkling but since you make such a stir in charging us with rebaptization and fain would have us be what we are branded with viz. Anabaptists I shall now shew you the opinion also of some of the Ancient Fathers and Modern Divines about reiterating of baptism Gregory saith l. 1. Ep. 7. That that is not said to be reiterated which is not certainly demonstrated to have been rightly and duely done and in another place saith if there be an offence taken at the Truth it is much better that offence be taken than that the Truth should be deserted the Custom of the Churches ought to submit to the words of Christ not the words of Christ to be wrested to the Custom of the Church in regard the words of Christ are the foundation upon which all Customs are to be build hom 7. in Ezechiel Cyprian saith It being more proper for the wise and and those that fear God to obey the manifest and open Truth freely and without delay then obstinately and pertinaciously to resist it Cyprian Epist ad Jubian See Dr. du Veil on Act. cap. 2. Scotus saith Dr. du Veil having alledg'd the Judgment of Alexander the Third touching the baptizing of those of whom it was doubted whether they were baptized or no takes an occasion to recommend three Maxims the First is where there is a possibility the safest way is to be chosen Secondly Where there is no possibility the next to the safest way is to be made use of Thirdly When Impossibility ceases every thing is to be supplied which Impossibility would not admit These Maxims are so agreeable to reason saith the Learned Dr. Du Veil whoever intends to follow will never question but that they ought to be baptized if they have not received that baptism Ordained by Christ but only Rhantism that is the Sprinkling substitued saith he in its room by a vulgar use or rather abuse as Luther calls it thus Dr. Duveil in Historical expost of Acts. cap. 2. page 86. That famous Divine John Forbes saith Nor is it to be doubted but that they again ought to be baptized who before have only received a Vain Washing and not the true Sacrament of Baptism And though it be not so great as the Papists