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A95762	The judgement of the late Arch-bishop of Armagh, and Primate of Ireland. Of Babylon (Rev. 18. 4.) being the present See of Rome. (With a sermon of Bishop Bedels upon the same words.) Of laying on of hands (Heb. 6. 2.) to be an ordained ministery. Of the old form of words in ordination. Of a set form of prayer. / Published and enlarged by Nicholas Bernard D.D. and preacher to the Honourable Society of Grayes-Inne, London. Unto which is added a character of Bishop Bedel, and an answer to Mr. Pierces fifth letter concerning the late primate.	Ussher, James, 1581-1656.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642.; Bernard, Nicholas, d. 1661.	1659 (1659)	Wing U189; Thomason E1783_1; ESTC R209661	108,824	393

this authority Object One objection common in the mouthes of men is Why do you stand so much upon a ceremony as laying on of hands is Answ First that which the Apostle calls a Principle and a Fundamentall do not you call a ceremony according to that which was said to S. Peter That which God hath cleansed call not thou common for which we have both Precept and Example to three successions Paul and Timothy and those that succeeded him 2. 'T is a most honourable ceremony used upon other occasions Jacob in blessing of Ephraim and Manasses Moses in constitution of Joshua Naamans expectation of Elias healing him our Saviours in blessing of the children in the Gospel Saint Pauls at the Holy Ghosts coming upon the disciples of Ephesus in the gift of tongues The Prophets of Antioch upon the separating of Paul and Barnabas for a speciall work designed unto as others by way of benediction and confirmation 3. If it be an institution though how mean soever it is to the eye yet it must be observed or else water in Baptisme bread and wine in the Lords Supper may fall under the like contempt Circumcision was a carnall ordinance yet Rom. 3. the Apostle checks those who questioned the profit or vertue of it The waxe of the Seale hath little worth in it self but by the impression affixed to the pattent is of great consequence to the party the like application may be made to imposition of hands the Seal of Ordination Object But suppose laying on of hands be granted as we have said the question yet remains By whose hands Answ Answ Doubtlesse not by the peoples for it doth not stand with reason that any can transferre that authority which they have not The people may be said after a manner to give their votes in the election as it was the former and ancient custome that they were asked if they knew of any impediment or crime Book of Ordination for which the party ought not be received into this holy Ministry and desired to declare it and upon the objecting of any the Bishop was to surcease till the party accused should clear himself The people had liberty of allegation for or against the person to be ordained but it doth not follow that therefore they had power in constituteing and ordaining They are the persons to whom the Ministers are sent can they be the Senders they have their mission to them can they have their Commission from them we are Gods Embassadours not theirs neither do ye find any power this way derived or committed from Christ to them As my Father sent me so send I you saith our Saviour to his Apostles Lo I am with you and so with your successors unto the end of the world Saint Paul saith to Timothy Lay thou hands c. to Titus I left thee behind that thou shouldest ordain be it meant collectively of the rest of the Ministers as assistants with him also but no mention of the people in that act That of Numb 8.10 the people laid their hands on the Levits is not meant in their consecration but dedication or the donation of them to be consecrated to the Lord instead of the first born by Moses and Aaron It was but as Hanna's giving up her son Samuel to Eli to be consecrated to the service of the Temple or like the presentation of a person formally under the hand and seal of the Patron to the Bishop to be instituted or inducted such was this of the Levites only a signification of their act and deed under their hands in giving up their whole title and interest in them to be set apart for that end Object For that of Matthias his election before the people to be an Apostle Acts 1.16 alleadged by some for the power of people in Ordination Answ 1 1. Saint Peter only signifieth to them what they were about to do and doing it in their presence as in Saint Cyprians time it was the custome to have the Minister ordained praesente plebe sub omnium oculis c. in the presence of the people before the eyes of all c. like Eleazar invested by Moses with the Priests garments on the top of the Mount in the sight of the Israelites but the actions in setting two apart in casting the lots prayer c. were the Apostles Answ 2 Secondly This election here to the Apostleship was neither the peoples nor Apostles but Gods by a divine suffrage expressed by lot according to the prayer of the Apostles to God for it and so it makes nothing for the peoples act in ordination and so much for the first Question Whose hands must be imposed Quest 2 2. What if the ordainers being of the Ministry be found not to have been of clean hands themselves i. e. of evill lives is their ordination good Answ I answer Yes For 't is not a personal act but an act of office as 't is not the learning of the Judge makes any decree valid but his authority and commission for it A Popish Judge gives a just sentence in Court his sentence is not erroneous and Antichristian though himself may be so his act is good in Law how bad soever he is in matter of Religion so the act of Ordination being an act of office is not nulled or voided by personal defilements It was the errour of the Donatists to put the vertue of Ministerial acts wholly upon the holinesse of the person ministring no as Saint Augustine saith a foul hand may sow good seed Object But there is one objection more to be answered frequently in the mouthes of men viz. Your Orders were derived from Rome and therefore Antichristian Answ 1 1. Observe what contrary inferences are against us The Papists say we have no lawful Ministery because we have it not from Rome having renounced our subjection to that See others among our selves argue the same from our being deduced from it Answ 2 Secondly If they mean of our receiving it from thence immediately after the Apostles time which the ancientest of the Brittish Writers extant do not grant but averre that we received it from such as came from Jerusalem hither even in Tiberius his time it is no disparagement to us Gildas for it was then a famous Church see Saint Pauls Epistle to it as Ignatius after him But if they mean since the corruption and Apostasy of it we may distinguish between from and through as between the Fountain and Conduit we received it from the Apostles though running through some corrupt times of Popery of which since our reformation it savours no more then the Fish doth of the salt water or as the three children in the furnace when they came out there was not so much as the smell of fire found upon them Answ 3 3. If they mean of Austine the Monke sent from Rome in Gregory the great his time about 600 yeares after Christ there were then no such defilements of