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A89189	A sober ansvvere to an angry pamphlet, or, Animadversions, by way of reply, to Robert Barclays late book (entituled, Truth cleared of calumnies) in answere to A dialogue between a Quaker and a stable Christian by VVilliam Mitchell.	Mitchell, William, 17th cent.	1671 (1671)	Wing M2294; ESTC R43708	69,116	149

to the contrary and whether he seeth it not fit to have his people while in this world exercised with relicts of sin to be as pricks and thorns in their sides and to keep them humble lest they should be exalted above measure And though the Saints do fear and dread to adventure upon sin yet through the strength of remaining corruption and violence of temptation they may to their hearts sorrow and grief be drawn to it which will be evident by reading over the seventh chapter to the Romans He asketh page 46. Whether such as have lived in the sense of Gods favour would have pleaded for continuance in sin and doth not continuance in sin take away and ecclipse the sense of Gods favour An. There are conscience wasting sins and falling or continuing in them will greatly ecclipse the sense of divine favour but there are sins of daily incursion which people may be guilty of and yet enjoy the favour of GOD. The godly dare not plead for allowing themselves in the lest sin approving of any sin will marr our peace and let in a sensible damp upon the soul The persons mentioned by me in the Dialogue as having such notable enioymēts of cōmunion with GOD were far from Quakerisme they would have look'd upon your opinions as monstrous and to be abominated with the greatest detestation VIII HEAD Proving the Quakers to be guilty of Equivocating He saith page 47. That it is a false challenge and a calumny to charge them as denying Baptism and the Lords Supper for they do owne these things in the substance and reality and in the true acceptation Answer They are utterly against Baptism with water and the Lords Supper as instituted by Christ in giving and receiving Bread and Wine Now in this sense Baptisme and the Lords Supper are commonly understood and do not Quakers dissemble and equivocate when they speak one thing and meane another When they speak plaine words that other men use saying they are for Baptisme and the Lords Supper but it is with a reserved sense and not in that sense wherein the words are usualy taken what is this but to speak lies in hypocrisy As the Apostle charges upon the Seducers and false teachers in his time 1. Tim. 4.2 It is a slander to say that we place the shadow for the substance the huske for the kernel Do we not make a difference between the outward signs and the things signified Pressing people no to rest satisfied with the one without the other and to seek not onely the bread of the Lord but that bread which is the Lord. We know and believe that outward priviledges will not serve the turne there must be reality and truth of grace in the heart otherwise GOD will punish the circumcised with the uncircumcised Ierem. 9.25 IX HEAD Wherein the Quakers Objections against our singing of Psalms are answered Page 48. He confesses that singing of Psalms was used by the Saints that it is a part of GODS worship when performed by his spirit and still may warrantably be performed and it is not unusual among Quakers yea Davids words may also be used as they sute the condition of the party Answ It is good that he grants and yet it is no more then he should the lawfulness of singing Davids Psalms yet truly I suspect his words have not so honest a meaning as they have a look for if Quakers be for singing Psalms How cometh it to pass that the exercise of this duty is not keept up among them at their meetings Though they have been meeting in this place for about eight or nine years yet none for ought I can understand have been witnessess to their practise in this thing But happily the singing that the Gentle-man pleads for is of the same nature with that of some of his friends who leading the horse of I. Nayler in his enterance to Bristol and singing with one bare before him holy holy the holy one of Israel which they applyed to the said Nayler and he for his part professed that he might not refuse any thing that is moved of the Lord and that he thought the Father did command them to do it A woman Quaker said that she witnessed the holy of holies was risen which moved her so to do See Naylers Tryal pag. 4.5 However my arguments for singing of Psalms remaine untouched yet he moveth two objections against our way of singing Object 1. Though singing of Psams in the true sense of them be allowable yet as used by us is abominable because the persons using it are a mixed multitude Answer He hath not proved it unlawful to joyne in singing with a mixed multitude hath GOD any where forbidden their singing We find in Scripture that all the creatures are called upon to sing praises to GOD Psalm 148.11.12.13 Kings of the earth and all people both young men and maidens old men and children let them praise the Lord. Psalm 96.1 O sing unto the Lord a new song sing unto the Lord all the earth As for that Scripture 1. Cor. 14.15 it doth not onely speak of singing with the understanding but also praying with the understanding And if hereby he would inferre that the mixed multitude should forbear singing he may as well urge them to forbear praying yea according to his way of reasoning I know no spiritual duty that they should be employed in because they are dead in their sins and it is the living that serve God spiritually and not the dead 2. Object All lying is abomination but many times it falls out that by singing of Psalms the people come to lie in the presence of God Answ This objection saith nothing when we sing Psalms that sute our condition then we are not guilty of lying and the truth is there is such plenty and variety of spiritual matter in Davids Psalms matter of such general and comprehensive concernment that they readily offer matter to us to present our own case to GOD. But suppose that the Psalme do not sute with our condition yet we do not lie in singing it why should the singing of these words my heart is not haughty and I water my couch with teares be accounted a lie more then the reading of them May we not sing these words as expressing the condition of former Saints And withal secretly wishing that the frame of our hearts were like unto theirs is this to lie in the presence of GOD X. HEAD Concerning Baptism SECT I. There is no Substantial difference between IOHNS Baptism and CHRISTS Page 49. He acknowledges that Iohns Baptism was with water and that his Baptism and Christs Baptism agreed in the Authour but he saith as to the matter they are not one for Iohn himself distinguisheth them Mark 1.8 Answer In this place Iohn maketh no difference between the matter of his Baptism and Christs Baptism he onely sheweth a difference between his office and work and the office and work of Christ all that Iohn could

say they have no sin they are but liars and the truth is not in them 1. Ioh. 1.8 It is remarkable to consider whom the Apostle speaketh of if we saith he what we look to verse 1. we that have heard and seen and handled the word of life verse third we who have fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ verse 7 we who by our Justification are cleansed from the guilt of all sin yet it we say we have no sin we are not sincere but hypocrites deceiving both our selves and others Object This Scripture 1. Iob. 1.8 is conditional otherwise it would contradict what followes verse 9. and chapter 2.4 and chapter 3.9 Answer There is no contradiction but sweet agreement between these Scriptures for verse 9. speaketh of forgivness of sin which consisteth in freedom from the guilt of sin and this may be where sin is nor utterly abolished And 1. Ioh. 2.4 is understood of a sincere nor absolutlie perfect keeping of the Commands of GOD. And as for 1. Ioh. 3.9 it was formerly opened and may be further cleared by comparing it with chapter 5.16 where the Apostle speaketh of a sin unto death which they that are born of GOD cannot commit verse 18. we know that whosoever is born of GOD sinneth not but he that is begotten of GOD keepeth himself and the wicked one toucheth him not That is so as to draw him to that unpardonable sin the Child of GOD is secured from this sin HEAD XVII Wherein Truth is cleared of Calumnies Page 72. He cometh to examine whether their or our principles will be most acceptable to the wicked And first he saith wicked men and hypocrites love well to hear that they can never be free from their sins in this life Answer Some wicked men are so well conceited of the honesty and integrity of their hearts that it is a hard thing to get convictions of sin fastened upon them and as for mortification of sin which we urge as necessary to Salvation there is nothing more distastful to the wicked then this Secondly He saith they love well to hear to be justified by Christ without them Answer How is it then that so many wicked men scoff at justification by Christs righteousness without them Calling in contempt this imputed righteousness an imaginary putative righteousness Is it not natural for persons to seek to be justified by something within them Thirdly He saith they love well to hear that the words without them are the onely rule Answer Doubtless there are many wicked persons who could wish there were no such rule Hath it not been the attempt of the wicked to destroy the Scriptures In the tenth Persecution the books of the holy Scriptures were ordered to be burnt and to this day there is a secret enmity in the hearts of thousands of sinners against the Scriptures Fourthly He saith they love well to hear that they may use the customes and fashions of this world and that they may use sports games and playes and weare laces ribbons c. Answer They hear from none of us any thing to encourage them in following sinful customes and fashions these we oppose yea we think that people should be sparing even as to lawful games and recreations As for wearing ribbons laces gold-rings c. we judge it not simply unlawful and yet persons sin when in this they exceed their degree and rank which is the thing condemned by the Apostle 1. Tim. 2.9 Fifthly He saith they love well to hear that men must not expect to hear GOD immediatly Ans Some of them know not what is intended by GODS immediate speaking and others have no liking to hear GOD mediatly by the Ministry of his Word this is a burdensome stone that they would faine be rid of Sixthly He saith they love well to hear that water Baptism and giving of Bread and Wine are the Ordinances of Christ for then they think they are Christians if they partake of these outward things Answer Our endeavour is to take them off from their groundless thoughts telling them that outward priviledges must not be rested on and that who ever build their hopes of Heaven meerly upon these they build upon the sand a foundation which will faile them in the day of their straite Seventhly He saith that none plead more for the observation of the Sabbath then profane light men Answer The contrary is abundantly known for none are greater enemies then they to the true observation of the Sabbath which must be devoted entirely to GOD and spent in the publick and private exercises of his worship and service Are not the wicked brought in saying when shal the Sabbath be gone Amos 8.5 Eightly He saith they love well to hear that they may be members of a Church though they have no infallible evidence of holiness Answer Have all the members of the Quakers Church infallible evidences of grace and holiness I must be free to tell you that your raw conceity Proselyts are so ignorant and yet so confident that sober men suspect them to be in a fools paradise Ninthly He saith they love well to hear of our Doctrine of Election and Reprobation Answer I have heard diverse of them Pelagians mocked at predestination wrangle against this doctrine and herein Quakers joyne with them but the truth will stand firme against them both Tenthly He saith they love our Doctrine of once in grace and ever in grace Answer What ground can graceless persons have to like this they being alienated from the life of GOD the promise of persevering in grace doth not belong to them and we do not plead for a wild perseverance the Saints who have had most perswasions of their perseverance have been most closs and circumspect in their walk with GOD. Thus it is evident that our principles do not gratifie the wicked nor give them the lest allowance in licentiousness and loosness and if any of us be looss and licentious as a lace there be too many it is our principle that the wrath of GOD will come upon such children of disobedience HEAD XVIII The Quakers tenents are pleasing to the Wicked The Quakers religion is exceeding suitable to carnal hearts First They love well to hear that a sufficient light is in them that Christ and saving grace is in them Secondly They love well to hear that all dayes are alike and that men may work and plough on the Sabbath as well as on any other day Thirdly They love well to hear that Family Prayer is but a forme Fourthly They love well to hear that they must not pray in secret but when they have an inward drawing and motion to it Fifthly They love well to hear outward teaching cryed down and mind the light within here is your teacher and this light is not a chapter without you in a book Sixthly They love well to hear the holiest Ministers spoken against as hirelings and Baals Priests Seventhly They love well to hear the LORDS Ordinances vilified and reproached carnal Bread and Wine is lovely language to them Eightly They love well to hear that Adams sin is not theirs and that the evil seed doth not make them guilty of sin before GOD untill they close with it Ninthly They love well to hear that they may sit down to eate and drink and rise up againe without a word of thanksgiving or prayer to GOD. But I am tyred with raking in this Dung hill I leave it to unbyassed persons to judge whether these principles will not sure with carnal hearts Will not the wicked be glade to hear these things cryed down which they themselves live down and cannot be brought up to the practise of them He shuts up his book charging me with a notorious lie Ans Wherein am I guilty of lying The Dialogue supposed A Conference between an enemy to a Lover of the Truth and might I not without a lie testify so much love to mens Souls as to express pity toward the seduced wishing GOD to reclaime them and to confirme his people in his wayes What is it that some will not carp at Epecially the persons that I have to do with of whom a pious Minister in England giveth this testimony saith he We have a strange generation of men abroad whose very Religion consists in railing reviling reproaching the Servants of the living GOD not the best men nor the best Ministers under Heaven can escape them Then he sets down a letter wherein the Quakers gave the Ministers of Christ these following names Conjurers Theeves Robbers Anti-Christs Witches Blind-guides Devils Lyars Dissemblers Baals Priests a Vipe●ous and Serpenti●● Generation Bloody Herodians Blasphemers Scarlet coloured Beasts Babilons Merchants Busie-Bodies Whited walls Painted Sepulchres reavening Wolves Persecutors Tyrants greedie Dogs Pharisees Then he gives good advice Christians saith he when ye hear this language learne to conforme your selves to Christ go ye first to GOD with the LORDS own plea. Zach. 3.2 Now the LORD rebuke thee O Satan even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee See Ambrose his looking unto Jesus pag. 1006. FINIS