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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A81048	Unrighteousness no plea for truth, nor ignorance a lover of it. Being an answer to a book called A plea for truth, in love to truth, subscribed by James Pope, wherein is contained his answer to several queries (sent to him by Thomas White) which are tried and found unsatisfactory, and James Popes Ten queries to the people (called) Quakers fully answered. : Also the doctrine and practise of the people (called Baptists) ... With a full discussion of their principles ... / By a true lover of all their souls and eternal welfare. John Crook.	Crook, John, 1617-1699.	1659 (1659)	Wing C7225A; ESTC R171617	50,094	60

are not vain talkers nor boasts not in other mens lines but keep to their own measure of Grace and boasts not about it but knows it and keeps in it for there onely is safety and condemnation is avoided and justification is enjoyed and such are ever with the Lord and from him cannot be separated because in his Son that is Truth and in that understanding which is Gods gift in which alone Peace Justification and Reconciliation with God through him is witnessed and life Eternal inherited for evermore which all that are out of the light with which they are lighted though never so much puffed up with knowledge are ignorant of and strangers to the life and immortality that is brought to light by the Gospel in which Gospel they hear Christs voice and knows it from the voice of a stranger both within them and without them and through the annointing within them they know all things and need no man to teach them but as the same annointing teacheth them which is truth and no lye and such cannot be seduced because of the annointing which they have received whereby they savour and try the spirits whether they be of God or no for every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in their flesh is not of God Here follows some Queries for James Pope or some others to answer in Gods fear and with plainness of speech that so all that reads may be edified by his or their answer and Scripture proofs produced to witness the same 1. WHat is the first Principle of the pure Religion is it something within man or something without man 2. What is the Foundation of Faith and Rule of Life to all that are or shall be saved is it something within or something without something created or something not made but Eternal 3. Whether do Abrams Children now follow his steps in making that the Rule of their Life and Foundation of their Faith which was the Rule and Foundation of his Life and whether that Gospel which is the Gospel of their Salvation now was not the Gospel of his Salvation and preached to him then in his day 4. Whether that be not a fundamental Principle in Christs Religion which a man must know and take up daily or he cannot be one of Christs Disciples and whether the Cross of Christ be not such a fundamental if it be what is it and where is it that every one that desires to learn of Christ may know it and take it up daily 5. Whether to stand still is not a fundamental in Christs Religion seeing every ones strength is in it and Salvation cannot be seen but by it nor safety witnessed but through it if it be such a fundamental what is it and how may the ignorant be instructed in the knowledge of it describe it plainly 6. Whether that is not a fundamental in the true Religion which if a man know not and be not partaker of he hath no life in him but if he do know and be partaker of he hath life Eternal whether the flesh and blood of Christ be not such a fundamental seeing Christ faith Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood you have no life in you and again Whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath Eternal Life 7. Whether the Tree of knowledge of good and evil be in these dayes if it be what is it now and where doth it grow and whether it be still forbidden to be fed upon or eaten of and when doth a man eat of it and what is that death which a man dies when he eats of it 8. What is the Tree of Life which they who keep the Commandements of God have right to eat of and what is that Paradice of God where it grows and what is it to eat of it 9. Whether he that doth not discern the Lords body daily in his ordinary eating and drinking doth not eat and drink damnation seeing not discerning the body is the cause of condemnation or whether is the Lords body discerned by some once or twice a year and other some once a moneth and others it may be once a week and some never if so be that breaking of outward bread and drinking of outward wine in such a way as some call a Sacrament and others the Ordinance of breaking bread be that alone wherein the Lords body is diseerned and fed upon 10 Whether washing of the body with outward water be necessary to salvation or that a man which is not so washed cannot be saved if he cannot whether you do not make two doors to enter into life if he may then whether he that enters in by Christ the door is not compleat in his entrance and in Christ his life as well in being truely baptized as Circumcised seeing the Apostle saith the Saints were compleat in Christ in whom they were Circumcised with the Circumcision made without hands and buried with him in Baptism wherein they were risen with him through the faith of the operation of God Col. 2.10 11 12. 11. Whether he that baptizes now with outward water must not manifest his Commission thereunto either by the same Authority that they did or by something of equal power thereunto seeing he that baptized with water was greater then all the Prophets and was sent by God to do it but saw the end for which it was appointed for he that sent him to baptize with water said unto him upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining on him the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost and I saw and bear record that this is the Son of God Joh. ● 33.34 12. Whether Baptism with water was not in its full force before Mat. 28 if yea and water Baptism was still to be continued why might not Christs Disciples have followed Johns example without any new command to them as well as you follow their example as you say without another or new command to you seeing it is written John was a man sent from God to Baptize with water c. or may it not be concluded from the same reason that the Baptism of the Spirit was and is intended seeing water is not at all expressed in Mat 28 nor Mark 16. but rather the contrary for it is such a washing as is necessary to salvation 13. Whether the false Church or Apostacy consists so much in the cessation or declension from outward observances sometime practiced by the servants of God or rather in their keeping up or imitating of those outward practices in their own wills out of the same life and power by which they were once required and performed by those of whom they were required seeing it is a charge both against the Jewish Church in that they drew near with their lips and multiplyed oblations and were not charged for neglect of outwards but for resisting of the Holy Ghost as their fathers had done and in the Apostle dayes was it the want of the form or men having a form and denying the power that made the times perilous 14. Whether that coming of Christ spoken of in 1 Cor. 1.7 which some of the Corinthians were waiting for which coming of Christ the Apostle saith should confirm them to the end or were the Corinthians never confirmed and that coming spoken of in 1 Cor. 4.5 which coming is said to manifest the counsels of the heart c. was not the coming spoken of in the 1 Cor. 11.26 until which they were to do so and so seeing the former coming was a coming not yet obtained but they were waiting for it c. and whether some amongst the Corinthians did not witness the coming of the Lord as aforesaid 15. Whether the servants of the Lord now may not be forbidden by the holy Ghost to do some things now once done by the Saints as Paul and Silas were forbidden to Preach the Gospel in Asia Acts 16.6 though by Christs general Commission they were to Preach the Gospel to all Nations and be justified by the Lord in their so doing as Paul and Silas was while others run on in imitation and are condemned by the Spirit in themselves the Lord not requiring them at their hands THE END

not sent to Baptize as an Apostle is to say Paul was not sent to preach as an Apostle except Paul had one Commission to preach and another to Baptize seeing that Commission hinted at in Matthew requires both besides is not this to devide Paul or rather Christ in Paul that he did some things ministerially as an Apostle and other things as a Disciple as if he were sometimes an Apostle and no Disciple and sometimes a Disciple and no Apostle or that Paul should dissemble with the Corinthians to write to them as an Apostle and to thank God that he had Baptized no more but those few he names and gives this reason for it because he was not sent to Baptize but to preach the Gospel when as by thy own confession he was sent as he was a Disciple to Baptize as well as others and knew it as well as James Pope if it had been so and had not Paul by removing one block out of the way viz. preventing a jealousie least he should be thought to Baptize in his own name laid a greater stumbling block in the way viz. to slight the Ordinance of Baptism and all those that should Baptize with water though as Disciples Paul not explaining his meaning to be as James Pope saith it was viz. that he meant as an Apostle he was not sent but as a Disciple he might did and might not Paul as well have left off preaching to prevent the jealousie of preaching in his own name as well as Baptizing seeing one was commanded in the Commission as well as the other was or might have been idolized as well as Baptizing but in truth Paul had no more Command to Baptize with water then to Circumcise yet he did both upon occasion to remove stumbling blocks and to strengthen the weak and all for the furtherance of the Gospel And Christs calling them Disciples in one place after he had once chosen them hinders them not from being Apostles no more then his calling them Apostles in another place hinders them from being Disciples for sometimes he called them by the name of Disciples and sometimes by the name of Apostles as Luke 22.14 And when the hour was come he sate down and the twelve Apostles with him and this was before he sent them forth in Mat. 28. but is not this a new invention saying that Paul as a Disciple was sent but not as an Apostle seeing the old cover is found out to be too narrow viz. that Paul was not sent so much to Baptize as to preach and therefore where it is said not sent is meant say some not so much as labour not for the bread that perisheth c. that is say some not so much for bread that perishes but you not being able to prove that Paul was sent at all to baptize with water but it may be easily proved that to labour at all is not onely lawful but commanded but that Paul was sent at all to Baptize with water yet remains to be proved and to say that he did Baptize with water and therefore was sent proves no more that he was sent to Baptize with water then because he did Circumcise proves he was sent to Circumcise but in thy saying it belonged not to Pauls Office and therefore he might leave it in this thou hast truly concluded that a man may be sent of God as Paul was and yet not Baptize with water as not belonging to his Office and for this ingenious confession of thine I may as truly confess to thee also that there are many that do Baptize with water who are not sent by God so to do and of this thy Brethren may take notice how thou thy self hast answered the Objection which is so often made by them and seems to lie so much in their way viz. if we that are called Quakers were led by the same spirit that the Primitive Saints were led by surely then we would do the same things that they did as to practise water Baptism c. Which Objection thou hast answered to the satisfaction of the Objectors in that thou hast found out a man sent of God and led by his Spirit and yet might lawfully let water Baptism alone to others as not belonging to his Office 2. The next Query propounded is whether the outward washing with water which is but the shadow and Johns Baptism or the inward washing or cleansing by the Spirit which is the Baptism of Christ Which of these I say is that one Baptism that Paul wrote of Or why writes he but of one there if both might be continued To this Query thou answerest like one altogether ignorant of the Spirits Baptism like those Baptists in Acts 19.2 onely with this difference thou hast read there is a Holy Ghost and a Baptism so called of which they had not heard but thou hast read and like them hast been it may be Baptized with Johns Baptism who indeed Baptized with water but he of whom John bore witness Baptized with a better Baptism who was to increase but John and his water Baptism was to decrease for John was sent to prepare his way In thy answer to the Query thou saist There are three Conclusions First that it is but a shadow Secondly that it is Johns Baptism Thirdly that the washing and cleansing by the Spirit is Christs Baptism To the first thou saist thou shalt let it pass to the second thou propounds a question and then follows with a second question whether John were a Minister of the Law or Gospel and then thou further Queries Whether there were any other difference between Johns and Christs then that one taught and prepared for Christ to come and the other taught to believe in him that was already come c. What shuffling is here to avoid a plain question viz. in short which is no more then for thee to answer what that one Baptism is which Paul speaks of whether it be water or the Spirits Baptism And if both were to continue why writes he but of one And to answer this plain Question thou asks Questions and propounds further Queries as if the way to resolve one Question were to propound two others or as if to answer one Query were further to Query but it is commonly the answer of him or them that have no further nor better answer to return But thou further answers in the third place and saist Whereas it is implied that the inward washing and cleansing by the Spirit is Christs Baptism I do not know that any Scripture calls it Christs Baptism or Baptism at all c. Thou mightest have left out this thirdly except it had been on purpose to manifest thy ignorance of the Scripture and Spirits Baptism thou needs not have said I do not know that the inward washing and cleansing by the Spirit is Christs Baptism For what difference is there between inward washing by the Spirit and inward Baptizing by the Spirit is it not all