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A79503	Moderate message to Quakers, seekers and Socinians, by a friend and well-wisher to them all, or Some arguments offered to clear up three points in difference betwixt them and others ... By John Child.	Child, John, 1638?-1684.	1676 (1676)	Wing C3850; ESTC R171309	24,333	83

thing then some unquestionable evidence may be produc'd to prove it Major Minor But no unquestionable evidence can be produc'd to prove ●hat Christ and his Disciples were twice baptised with a common and ordinary baptism Ergo. Arg. 24 If that part of the Gospel that relates to the ministration of John Major be Abrogated then is the Doctrine of Repentance Baptism the confession of Sin and owning the Messiah ceased and made Null Minor But these are not ceased and made Null Ergo that part of the Gospel relating to the ministration of John is not Abrogated The major proposition is clear for in that enumeration did the Ministry of John chiefly consist and if it was made Null the duties thereof must cease and if they were afterwards set up again there must then be a fault committed either in making Null that which was useful and good or else in bringing in again an Abrogated and exploded thing according to St. Pauls rule If I build again the abrogated and exploded things I once destroyed I make my self a Transgressor Arg. 25 To prove the minor that the Doctrine of Repentance Baptism Confession of Sin and owning the Messiah is not ceased and made Null Take as followeth If those duties contained in the ministration of John were abrogated and made Null Major Then it was done by some publick and Ministerial Edict proceeding from an Authority either greater or equivalent to Johns But it was not abrogated and made Null by any such edict and Authority Minor Ergo ir was not done The Major I think is unquestionable for it was necessary that the Ministery of one so plainly and fignally appearing to be by divine Authority as not only proved by Scripture but confirm'd of God by a voice from Heaven should at least have an Authority Equivolent to it to make it Null The Minor it thus made good Arg. 26 If it was done by any such Edict and Authority Major it must then be done by Christ and his Apostles Minor But it was not done by Christ or his Apostles Ergo it was not made Null at all the reason of the Major is because none but these had so much as an Authority Equivolent to Johns the reason of the Minor that it was not done by Christ or his Apostles is because it was own'd approved and Taught by them in all the parts of it afterwards as is evident from these Scriptures Mat. 4.17 Joh. 3.26 Acts. 2.38 From whence we draw this Argument Arg. 27 If Christ and his Apostles own'd approv'd taught the same things in all the parts thereof that was contain'd in Johns Ministrey Major Then for certain they did not by any Publique and Ministerial edict make it void But they did own approve Minor and teach the same in all the parts thereof Ergo It was not by them made Null The Minor is proved by the foresaid texts and further confirm'd by these following Arguments Arg. 28 If Christ or his disciples did by any publique and Ministerial Edict make the Ministery of John Null Major Then it is set forth in some part of the Divine Records But there is no part of the Divine Records do manifest any such thing Ergo it was not done Arg. 29 The next Argument levied for confirmation of Water Baptism is from the Reason of the thing that there is the same Reason for the Baptism and Ministry of John to be in force now as was then even when John himself did Preach it Now though this will not hold in all cases namely that if the reason of a thing remains then the thing it self must where the things were before abrogated yet in this case it will hold where there hath been no such abrogation and therefore from these premises we frame this Argument Arg. 30 If the Reason of an unabrogated piece of Service remains still Major then the Service it self remains still Minor But the Reason of the Service contain'd in Johns Ministry remans still Ergo the Service doth so likewise The Major we hope will face its Adversaries and keep its ground The Minor we expect to be assaulted which will find help at hand from these considerations Cons 1 The Precepts of Johns Ministry stands still upon Record equally unabrogated with the other parts of the Gospel Cons 2 There is the same unbelieving world and necessity of confession of Sin Repentance and owning the Messiah upon his appearing in the Ministration of the Gospel as there was when he appeared in person this I doubt not but that it will be readily granted why is there not then the same Reason there should be the like publick subscription to and owning of Christ before witness now as was then how else should we keep the Traditions as they were delivered to us by the first Ministers of the Gospel without detraction or disorder and if there is not a publick subscription to Christ before witness how shall the Disciples of Christ be known and if they are not known how shall a witness be made for him or his Name be born up in the World and if a witness for him to bare up his Name in the World as a baptizing in the Name of the Lord Jesus doth plainly import why then should it not be after the same manner that the Example of Christ and footsteps of his flock doth lead to and if any shall say because it is unsafe in these cold and Northern climates the Answer is ready First many thousands have done it here in these Climates and done it in a cold Season with safety Secondly If it hath been the Lords pleasure to injoyn a stooping and a little hardship and self denyal to be past through in the very entrance upon a profession of him it is not safe to say there is a Lyon in the way to excuse from it and it is far less trouble to the Flesh then was Circumcision which was injoyn'd upon a severe Penalty and that it ought to be in the same manner prescribed by the first Ministers of the Gospel Major Take this Argument to prove it Arg. 31 If men may presume to substract alter and vary from the rule in the service of Christ in one thing Then they may presume to do so in another and a third and so through the whole discipline of the Gospel into disorder and confusion But men may not presume to do any such thing Ergo Minor it ought to be done according to the first frame and pattern of things as they are left us upon Divine Record For if this be not admitted why may we not in celebrating the Sacrament of the Lords Supper use Flesh and Sauce instead of Bread and Beer or Water instead of Wine and when we are minded to shew our rejoycing in or to mourn and humble our selves before the Lord to use a Fiddle instead of a Hymn and the mournful sound of a Trumpet instead

of Prayers and T●a●s or why may not a kissing of the Cup do instead of drinking of th● Wine and cruming the Bread into a Mess of Pottage stand for a breaking of it and they that do so say we have celebrated the Lords Supper and so bring the serious and grave worship of a dear and dying Saviour into a silly Pastime in some respects and into a Hodg-Podg or Slibber-slobber in other respects and by this means lay a fair foundation for a total slighting and enervating of Christ's service on one hand or for a jumble or mixture of Mahomet and the Pope on the other hand but that such things ought not to be done we prove in pursuit of our minor proposition by these following Arguments 32. Maj. If men ought not to presume to alter any thing of the first frame and pattern of things under the Law without special Tolleration then they ought not to presume to do so under the Gospel But men ought not to presume to do so under the Law Ergo the minor Minor is proved by the Sacred Text See thou make all things according to the pattern shewed thee Ex. 25.40 Heb. 8.5 The change or alteration of small Ceremonies was accounted a Sin and punished as carrying the Ark in a manner differing from apointment and a variation in a point of worship reputed to be the offering up of strange fire c. Cons 1 The Major is clear by these considerations arising from this general head viz. That there is the same reason for the Establishment and contrivance of the Ways and Methods of the Gospel as there was for that of the Law as first the Gospel had the same Authority of Heaven stampt upon it as the Law had 't is said in reference to the most despised part of it that God sent John to Baptise Luk. 3.2 Joh. 1.6 v. 33. Cons 2 That the Ministers by which it was sent forth and publisht were as great as any Ministers of the Law for 't is said of John Baptist that he was greater than a Prophet and amongst them that were Born of Women there had not arose a greater who was the beginner of the Gospel from whom it w●s afterwards confi●m'd and carryed on by Christ himself that great Minister of the Sanctuary who in pitching of the Tabernacle and setling the M●thods of the Gospel acted not of himself but from the Father and in p●int of Dignity and Preheminency was beyond both Moses and John Cons 3 That there was but two Duties Instituted besides what was comprized in the great Magnacharta the Laws of Natural Religion we mean the Sacraments of Baptism and the Supper of the Lord and therefore no need to lessen or diminish them Cons 4 That these are neither difficult nor chargable so as that there should on that account be a change or alteration of them for Baptism is much easier than Circumcision and the Celebration of the Supper much cheaper than the offering of Bulls and Goats Oxen Sheep Heifers and the like Cons 5 They have as blessed a Tendency as any Precepts and Ceremonies of the Law had to direct men to the Confession of Sin to an owning of the blessed Jesus before witness to the serious thoughts of Death and going down into the Grave and to a Resurrection by the power of that Jesus whom they do profess all which is contained in Baptisme if rightly understood as also to a Remembrance of his great Love he bare to them evidenc'd by the shameful and miserable Death he dyed for them to which useful work and necessary Duty appertains Salvation according to the saying of the Apostle 1 Cor. 15. By which ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I Preacht unto you which was That Christ died for our Sins according to the Scriptures and which is lively set forth in the Celebration of the Supper For as oft as you do this you shew forth the Lords Death till he comes Cons 6 There is the same danger depending upon the Removing or alteration of the Ceremonies of the Gospel as was of the Law for there being an aptness and propensity in mens minds to busie themselves about something relating to Worship if the right and true Methods be removed or chang'd there is then no great difficulty for to inovate and introduce wrong ones in stead of Right The Inventions of men instead of the Institutions of God and his Son nay it may be the Ceremonies of Bell and the Dragon of Baal and Belshazzer when once the remembrance of Right things are nigh worn out in the world and then farewel to the true Service of the Gospel Cons 7 Lastly there is the same damage doubtless depending in reference to those that shall change or diminish the Duties of the Gospel as there is in reference to those that should do so by the Law and that our Saviour tells us in case they be saved They shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven from all which considerations we frame this general Argument for the confirmation of the major Proposition Arg. 33 That which had the Authority of Heaven stampt upon it the greatest and highest sort of Gods Ministers to set it forth that is easie to be perform'd and may be done with little trouble and charge that hath a blessed tendency and where is a double danger depending upon a total neglect or alteration men ought not to remove of alter But it t is so of the duties of the Gospel Ergo. More might be said upon this Argument if two things did not forbid viz. want of Time and fearing to make the Book too Big we shall therefore Answer two objections and pass on Object 1 John said he was to Decrease and Christ to Increase Object 2 Our Saviour gave orders for a new Baptism in his great and last Commission to his Disciples Mat. 28. Mark 16. Answ The first of these is scarce worthy of the name of an objection there is so little in it for 1 if Baptisme with water was once a duty as hath been already proved being evidenc'd 1 by Gods sending John to Baptize 2 by Christs submiting to it 3 by mens being highly charged with sin that did reject it 4 by Christ and his disciples after owning and practiseing of it 5 it's being a branch or duty of the Gospel 6 it's being joyn'd with other lasting and Perpetual dutys as Repentance Confession of sin and owning the Mesiah 7 from the reason of the thing I say if it was once a duty upon these grounds and from these concuring circumstances then they must needs run a very great hazard that shall reject and violate it upon so slight and uncertain a ground as one particular text that doth not d●clare it void but is at most but interpretative and admits of another interpretation quite contrary to the opposite opinion and that with a great deal of more reason and probabillity For by Johns decreasing cannot be meant