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A64635 Certain discourses, viz. of Babylon (Rev. 18. 4.) being the present See of Rome (with a sermon of Bishop Bedels upon the same words) of laying on of hands (Heb. 6. 2.) to be an ordained ministry, of the old form of words in ordination, of a set form of prayer : each being the judgment of the late Arch-bishop of Armagh, and Primate of Ireland / published and enlarged by Nicholas Bernard ... : unto which is added a character of Bishop Bedel, and an answer to Mr. Pierces fifth letter concerning the late Primate. Ussher, James, 1581-1656.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642.; Bernard, Nicholas, d. 1661. 1659 (1659) Wing U161; ESTC R10033 109,687 392

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of God both Ministery and people in Fasting and Prayer which was the injunction of our Church should have been the practice to invocate God for the assisting grace of his spirit to be given to the person ordained might be prevalent for that end and that the receiving accordingly of ordination might be so far operative as to be a confirmation of the party the more against errors and heresies in the execution of it The falling into which may possibly be the judgement of God upon some who of late dayes have run without it which agrees with the observation Chemnitius makes of Origen who neglected Orders and fell into the like and at last made himselfe incapable of them But I say again that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the forenamed place is most safely to be understood of the gift of authority to be exercised and transferred unto others by laying on of hands And 't is further confirmed by the many examples that do abound our Saviour gave his Apostles not only an inward call by his Spirit but an open verball call before the people Saint Stephen a man full of Faith and the Holy Ghost yet presumed not to officiate till he had imposition of hands from them Beware of making your selves Ministers our Saviour did not make himself a Priest Heb. 5. 5. 't is the blot layed on Iezabell that she made her selfe a Prophetesse Revelat 2. 20. 'T is frequent to hear an ordained Minister called Antichristian but consider who deserves that Title whether those that observe the rule of Christ and tread in the paths of the Apostles or such who without any president in Scripture or in primitive times are in this a law unto themselves And do but think what ill issue may in the future be of this promiscuous presumption upon the offices of the Ministery what doubts it may raise in our posterity in receiving of Baptisme by such as cannot answer to that question By what authority dost thou these things and who gave thee this authority One objection common in the mouthes of men is Why do you stand so much upon a ceremony as laying on of hands is First that which the Apostle calls● a Principle and a Fundamentall do not you call a ceremony according to that which was said to S. Peter That which God hath cleansed call not thou common for which we have both Precept and Example to three successions Paul and Timothy and those that succeeded him 2. 'T is a most honourable ceremony used upon other occasions Iacob in blessing of Ephraim and Manasses Moses in constitution of Ioshua Na●mans expectation of Elias healing him our Saviours in blessing of the children in the Gospel Saint Pauls at the Holy Ghosts coming upon the disciples of Ephesus in the gift of tongues The Prophets of Antioch upon the separating of Paul and Barnabas for a speciall work designed unto as others by way of benediction and confirmation 3. If it be an institution though how mean soever it is to the eye yet it must be observed or else water in Baptisme bread and wine in the Lords Supper may fall under the like contempt Circnmcision was a carnall ordinance yet Rom. 3. the Apostle checks those who questioned the profit or vertue of it The waxe of the Seale hath little worth in it self but by the impression affixed to the pattent is of great consequence to the party the like application may be made to imposition of hands the Seal of Ordination But suppose laying on of hands be granted as we have said the question yet remains By whose hands Answ. Doubtlesse not by the peoples for it doth not stand with reason that any can transferre that authority which they have not The people may be said after a manner to give their votes in the election as it was the former and ancient custome that they were asked if they knew of any impediment or crime for which the party ought not be received into this holy Ministry and desired to declare it and upon the objecting of any the Bishop was to surcease till the party accused should clear himself The people had liberty of allegation for or against the person to be ordained but it doth not follow that therefore they had power in constituteing and ordaining They are the persons to whom the Ministers are sent can they be the Senders they have their mission to them can they have their Commission from them we are Gods Embassadours not theirs neither do ye ●ind any power this way derived or committed from Christ to them As my Father sent me so send I you saith our Saviour to his Apostles Lo I am with you and so with your successors unto the end of the world Saint Paul saith to Timothy Lay thou hands c. to Titus I left thee behind that thou shouldest ordain be it meant collectively of the rest of the Ministers as assistants with him also but no mention of the people in that act That of Numb 8. 10. the people laid their hands on the Levits is not meant in their consecration but dedication or the donation of them to be consecrated to the Lord instead of the first born by Moses and Aaron It was but as Hanna's giving up her son Samuel to Eli to be consecrated to the service of the Temple or like the presentation of a person formally under the hand and seal of the Patron to the Bishop to be instituted or inducted such was this of the Levites only a signification of their act and deed under their hands in giving up their whole title and interest in them to be set apart for that end For that of Matthias his election before the people to be an Apostle Acts 1. 16. alleadged by some for the power of people in Ordination 1. Saint Peter only signifieth to them what they were about to do and doing it in their presence as in Saint Cyprians time it was the custome to have the Minister ordained praesente plebe sub omnium oculis c. in the presence of the people before the eyes of all c. like Eleazar invested by Moses with the Priests garments on the top of the Mount in the sight of the Israelites but the actions in ●etting two apart in casting the lots prayer c. were the Apostles Secondly This election here to the Apostleship was neither the peoples nor Apostles but Gods by a divine suffrage expressed by lot according to the prayer of the Apostles to God for it and so it makes nothing for the peoples act in ordination and so much for the first Question Whose hands must be imposed 2. What if the ordainers being of the Ministry be found not to have ●een of clean hands themselves i. e. of evill lives is their ordination good I answer Yes For 't is not a personal act but an act of office as 't is not the learning of the Judge makes any decree valid