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A27232 The Quakers challenge made to the Norfolk clergy, or, A relation of a conference between some clergy-men of the Church of England and some Quakers held (on the 8th of December 1698 in West-Dereham Church) in the county of Norfolk : together with those letters which passed between them in order thereunto : to which is added a certificate relateing to the challenge. Beckham, Edward, 1637 or 8-1714.; Meriton, Henry, d. 1707.; Topcliffe, Lancaster, 1646 or 7-1720. 1699 (1699) Wing B1654; ESTC R27616 19,882 30

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to Dispute and those Six to be known Inhabitants within the Counties of Norfolke and Suffolke Or the City of Norwich and that there be but one of those Six to speak at a time and that he be not interrupted unless he run out beyond the term of five Minutes at a time IV. That no Personal reflections shall be made one against another that are Forraign to the Cause V. That a Notary of each side be appointed to write down the Objections and Answers that are made by either Party and that they be compared at the end of every Meeting if there shall happen to be more than one The matters we Charge you with are as follow I. We Charge you with Blasphemy against God II. With Blasphemy against Jesus Christ III. With Blasphemy against the Holy Scriptures IV. We Charge you with great contempt of Civil Magistracy and the Ordinances which Jesus Christ Instituted viz. Baptism by Water and the Lord's Supper with Bread and Wine V. We Charge you that the Light within as taught by you leaves you without any certain Rule and Exposes you to the forementioned and many other Blasphemies Hen. Meriton John Meriton Lau. Parke October 31. 1698. Friends YOUR Paper with the Charge upon the People call'd Quakers without a Date came to the Hands of our Friend John Hubbard on the 27th Instant You were pleased to call the Offer we made to you in Writing a Challenge which term we think is no ways applicable to it For we taking Notice of your readiness to Espouse Francis Buggs Charge and Challenge we lookt upon it very Reasonable and Prudence in you as Wise men to hear our Defence therefore referr'd you to several of our Printed Answers which if you had desir'd of us to have seen them we would have procured them for you but not one word of that from you in so many Weeks time And for our excluding F. B. from any Part of the intended Dispute we have so much Cause and reason for it we believe as will sufficiently justify us in the Opinion of all Judicious Persons And whereas you render it difficult to Procure our Friends Books we are willing to expose them to any that desires them as is well known and as you might have Prov'd if you had made Tryal And now before we take Notice of your Propositions we judge it necessary to enquire into the Extent of your Charge whither it be upon the whole Body of the People called Quakers or upon Particular Persons or upon the Writings of Particular Persons Especially your three first Charges If you Charge a whole Body of People you are not Just in your limitation that the Persons that have a share in the Dispute be only known Inhabitants in Norfolke Suffolke and City of Norwich and at the same time Charge all the said People generally If it be against particular Persons we judge you ought to name Them in your Charge if it be against the Writings of particular Persons it is necessary for you to name the Authors and the Titles of the Books and the Pages this we insist upon These things Premised we take Notice of your Propositions I. As to the Place in West Dereham we do not object against it but are indifferent as to that II. The day Prefixt being the Eighth of December will not be convenient for some of us being in Stoak fair Week III. That Six Persons of a side only be Permitted to Manage the Dispute and those Six to be known Inhabitants in Norfolke Suffolke and Norwich we agree to provided your Charge reaches not to any Person or the Writings of any Person that lives not in either of the said Counties or the said City but if it doth we expect and account it very reasonable to be left to our free liberty in the Choice of our Six and allow the same liberty to you And that but one be allowed to speak at a time is very necessary and we like it well but not to be limited Precisely to the space of five Minutes yet to endeavour brevity and before answer be made that there be a little pause IV. V. Your 4. and 5. Proposition we like as stated by you And do expect an Explanation of the extent of your Charge as is abovesaid to be sent us without much delay waving here to Repeat or Object against it or any Article thereof but refer that until we hear further from you We are your Friends Rich. Ashby John Hubbard Dan. Phillips Richard Case John Brown Phillip Tassill To Rich. Ashby John Hubbard Dan. Phillips Richard Case John Brown and Phillip Tassell the Coppy of a Letter in Answer to the Former dated November the 3d 1698. Friends WE Observe in your last dated Octob. the 31st 1698. how apt you are to Catch at every little Escape tho nothing relating to the Causes the omission of a date We hope tho we forgot the 27th of October we shall not forget the 8th of December You are offended we call your first Letter a Challenge to us tho our betters have thought it to be the Boldest and Pertest that ever was sent to the whole Host of Israel viz. as you more then once in your Letter term it to us or any of us all and to any of our Cloth and that from the Hands of such whom we never took to be any great Goliahs But all this anger is it seems because we so Zealously as you think espouse Francis Buggs Charge One may see how ready you are to take Fire when so small a Spark will kindle you For one of us was not there when he delivered his Charge Another of us came by meer accident and None of us were any other then as Witnesses to the delivery of it which any Three of your honest Neighbours we suppose might have been without offence As to the Books you mention'd to us to be Read which you conceive would have cooled our Zeal for Bugg and his so often as you say baffl'd Charge You may please to know that we have Read them and that Bugg is not Answer'd nor can be Answer'd any other way seeing this Charge is drawn from Quotations out of your Books but by denying the Truth of Them which your pretended Answerers do not do but betake themselves to their usual Palliating and Painting tricks to cover over and hide their deformities We consess we had a better Opinion of your Principles before we saw your Books then now we have for indeed we have received more satisfaction from your Answers then from the Books they pretend to Answer being confirm'd more in our belief that they are Unanswerable And if you write in this manner we shall never desire to take the Pen out of your Hands for it will do us no Hurt but for the Gall that is in the Ink. Yet because you say he must be rejected and you will have it so we have given you your Humour and have accepted of your Challenge without him