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A35761 Faith grounded upon the Holy Scriptures against the new Methodists / by John Daille ; printed in French at Paris anno 1634, and now Englished by M.M. Daillé, Jean, 1594-1670.; M. M. 1675 (1675) Wing D115; ESTC R25365 115,844 322

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if you have from this Principle upon which depends all the Roman Faith but a doubtful and floting opinion what assurance can you have for the rest but besides their Religion this discourse ruins all learning For if reason by the faults into which it sometimes falls doth not deserve that one should yield it any certain and assured consent we ought to doubt according to their supposition whither a right line falling perpendicularly upon another right line makes two right Angles and whither a square described by the side sustaining the right angle of a triangle is equal to two squares described by the two other sides whither all Bodies are composed of matter and form whither the liver be the Source of veins whither Senna purgeth Melancholy and of all other things in short which are demonstrated in Mathematicks natural Philosophy Physick and other sciences because this reason which teacheth them is a cheating Mistris We shall not be able to be assured whither the whole be bigger then its part nor whither if you take away equal things from equal things that which remains will be equal For these new Scepticks will tell you how do you know but this reason which is abused in so many other things is not so here to but 't is worse still for besides the knowledge of the understanding this discourse takes from us moreover all the apprehensions of our senses If that faculty which sometimes chances to deceive us can assure us of nothing who amongst us can trust any of his senses since 't is evident that sometimes they represent things to us otherwise then they are the eye makes that Tower which is square seem round makes the straight oare crooked and robs the Sun Moon and other Stars of the greatest part of their grandeur The tast and the nicest touch of our sences are sometimes mistaken So that the Methodists will not be assured of any one thing which is conveighed to us by our senses They will doubt whither snow be white and believe but by halves that fire is hot and Ice cold and will not dare to maintain that Honey is sweet and wormwood bitter they will believe that the light of the Sun the roundness of the heavens the Motion of the winds the flux of the Sea the course of Rivers and the Visages of men of their neighbours and domesticks are nothing but cheats and illusions And if this certainty of reason and sense be once taken away what will become of the actions of piety and virtue all which proceed from an assured knowledge and firm resolve without which they do not so much as deserve the Name of vertue and Wisdom what will become of the mysteries of peace and war and all the functions in which the society of men are concerned and consequently families Towns and States and in short what will become of all humane life for as natural bodies cannot move but upon some thing fixed and immovable so our minds cannot act but upon some fixedness and certainty Belief and perswasion are as the hing upon which they turn themselves without this they cannot move but besides the wrong which this pernicious imagination doth to men it is infinitely abusive to the providence of God who if we reckon after this manner would have given the superintendence of all his works and the keeping of his truth to a thing blind and deceitful and incapable of bringing him any glory And t is clear that this error had never been advanced neither in the schools of Christanity nor any other Religion if they had but never so little heart for the honour of God and the salvation of men The new Academy alone had formerly produced it judge then in what despair these Methodists were who for the defence of their cause were constrained to raise up this Pagan Idol which hath been dead and buried so long since To take from me the liberty of justifying my Faith by the Scriptures they ruin their own they put out the light of Siences they bring to nought sence they offend the Lord and wrap up humame kind in eternal darkness What blind passion is this to purchase the loss of those we hate by our own ruin and as Gobrias heretofore had rather perish with his enemy then save himself by letting him live but they may consider of this if they think fit CHAP. XI That the faults which reason sometimes commits doth not argue that all her reasonings are doubtful and uncertain T Is not very difficult for us to defend our selves from this blow which they throw at us with so much violence for what can there be more vain then their objections reason is sometimes deceived Be it so we cannot then assure our selves of any one thing which it concludes from the Scriptures Why not what necessity is there of this consequence must that which once errs err alwaies or is there no way to know the truth whether it errs or not the eye sometimes is mistaken as we said before giving to its objects a greater or an other figure then that which they truly have Is this to say that the sense of sight is absolutely uncertain and that it is weakness and sottishness to believe assuredly upon its credit that snow is white or that the Sun shines at midday or that the emrauld is green or Ink black the touch also sometimes equivocates and feels but two cards when there is but one Is this to say that its perception ought to be counted for nothing and that we cannot assure our selves of any one thing which it represents to us no even that fire is hot Snow cold water humid and earth dry to a man in a feaver all meats seeme bitter and unpleasant and because of this shall we suspect all the sense of tasting shall we not dare to believe that Honey is sweet and wormwood bitter but no body can be ignorant that so great and fond an imagination as this falls only into a foolish soul and that all humane kind would condemn him as extravagant who should have the least doubt of any one of these truths and send him rather to a Physitian to purge his brains with a good dose of Helebore then to a Philosopher to confound his errors by an exquisite dispute for if the faults which the senses commit at times doth not hinder us of being assured for the most part of those things which we know by their means by what right will you conclude that those of reason ought to take from it all the Faith in that thing which she inferreth from Scripture Origen Arius Pelagius Nestorius and many others have thought to find in the Scripture that which is not there Be it so although it is clear enough that they have erred not so much for having ill disputed upon the Scriptures as for having forsaken them and taken principles of their false discourse in humane Philosophy a Look to the perticulars of Origen Theophil Alex. or at