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eucharist_n and_o this_o exposition_n may_v be_v gather_v out_o of_o s._n dionysius_n areopagita_n according_a to_o the_o translation_n set_v out_o at_o colein_fw-fr a_fw-fr 1536._o l._n de_fw-fr eccl._n hier._n c._n 2._o in_o fine_a ipse_fw-la vero_fw-la hierarcha_fw-la deificantissimo_fw-la unguento_fw-it virum_fw-la signans_fw-la participem_fw-la manifest_a at_o de_fw-fr caetero_fw-la sacrae_fw-la perfectissimae_fw-la eucharisitiae_fw-la he_o the_o bishop_n anoint_v the_o man_n with_o the_o most_o deify_v ointment_n manife_v he_o partaker_n of_o the_o sacred_a most_o perfect_a eucharist_n 2._o vasq_fw-la to_o 3._o in_o 3_o part_n disp_n 212._o c._n 2._o and_o vasquez_n a_o learned_a jesuite_n follow_v the_o translation_n of_o perionius_n cit_v these_o word_n be_v cum_fw-la virum_fw-la unguento_fw-it quod_fw-la maximè_fw-la divinos_fw-la efficit_fw-la insignivit_fw-la eucharistia_n qua_fw-la vim_o maximam_fw-la habet_fw-la perficiendae_fw-la sanctitatis_fw-la participem_fw-la esse_fw-la pronunciat_fw-la he_o the_o bishop_n when_o he_o have_v mark_v the_o man_n with_o the_o oil_n which_o make_v most_o divine_a pronounce_v he_o partaker_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o have_v great_a force_n to_o perfect_a sanctine_n whence_o vasquez_n gather_v that_o when_o one_o be_v baptize_v he_o be_v declare_v capable_a of_o the_o eucharist_n and_o that_o the_o eucharist_n use_v to_o be_v give_v after_o confirmation_n yet_o he_o say_v there_o be_v no_o divine_a precept_n to_o take_v confirmation_n before_o the_o eucharist_n but_o only_o use_v and_o custom_n so_o that_o they_o who_o be_v confirm_v be_v declare_v capable_a of_o the_o eucharist_n and_o common_o do_v present_o after_o receive_v it_o though_o there_o be_v no_o divine_a precept_n and_o if_o any_o out_o of_o carelessness_n neglect_a confirmation_n which_o then_o by_o custom_n be_v to_o be_v take_v present_o after_o baptism_n he_o be_v not_o admit_v to_o have_v place_n among_o the_o perfect_a that_o be_v among_o they_o who_o be_v capable_a of_o the_o sacred_a eucharist_n but_o if_o after_o baptism_n they_o can_v not_o be_v confirm_v and_o so_o of_o necessity_n want_v confirmation_n than_o they_o may_v communicate_v there_o be_v no_o divine_a precept_n to_o receive_v confirmation_n before_o the_o eucharist_n and_o so_o have_v place_n among_o the_o perfect_a that_o be_v the_o confirm_a who_o be_v capable_a of_o the_o sacred_a eucharist_n 25._o and_o thus_o it_o appear_v that_o m._n doctor_n have_v not_o be_v unfortunate_a in_o allege_v s._n clement_n no_o more_o than_o bellarmine_n suarez_n coninck_n the_o catechismus_fw-la ad_fw-la parochos_fw-la and_o diverse_a other_o allege_v be_v rather_o m._n nicholas_n have_v be_v unfortunate_a first_o in_o reject_v he_o then_o in_o expound_v he_o 26._o i_o add_v to_o s._n clement_n s._n vrban_n pope_n decretali_fw-la s._n vrban_n cp_n decretali_fw-la who_o live_v about_o the_o year_n 220._o who_o have_v word_n which_o shall_v make_v m._n nicholas_n grant_v that_o one_o can_v be_v a_o perfect_a christian_a without_o confirmation_n if_o he_o respect_v either_o antiquity_n authority_n or_o sanctity_n he_o thus_o pronounce_v omnes_fw-la fideles_fw-la per_fw-la manus_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la impositionem_fw-la spiritum_fw-la sanctum_fw-la post_fw-la baptismum_fw-la accipere_fw-la debent_fw-la ut_fw-la pleni_fw-la christiani_n inveniantur_fw-la all_o the_o faithful_a by_o the_o imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o bishop_n must_v receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n after_o baptism_n that_o they_o may_v be_v full_a perfect_a christian_n s._n cornelius_n pope_n and_o martyr_n say_v he_o novatianus_n be_v not_o consummate_v by_o the_o seal_n of_o chrism_n and_o therefore_o can_v not_o deserve_v the_o holy_a ghost_n s._n cyprian_n say_v 35._o cornel_n ep_n ad_fw-la fabianum_fw-la apud_fw-la euseb_n l._n 6._o c._n 33._o et_fw-la boil_v supra_fw-la cyp._n 72_o seul_fw-fr 30_o ep_n 1._o ep._n 73._o ad_fw-la lubaian_n council_n eliber_n can_v 35._o christian_n be_v then_o full_o sanctify_v if_o they_o be_v bear_v of_o both_o sacrament_n to_o wit_n baptism_n &_o confirmation_n and_o again_o he_o say_v that_o by_o confirmation_n which_o he_o call_v our_o lord_n seal_v they_o be_v consummate_v and_o the_o council_n eliberinum_n say_v that_o the_o baptize_v if_o he_o live_v after_o must_v be_v carry_v to_o the_o bishop_n that_o by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n he_o may_v be_v perfect_v s._n ambrose_n say_v that_o after_o the_o font_n of_o baptism_n the_o spiritual_a seal_n remain_v that_o perfection_n may_v be_v make_v by_o which_o they_o insinuate_v that_o confirmation_n make_v perfect_a christian_n the_o council_n of_o orleans_n say_v one_o shall_v never_o be_v a_o christian_n that_o be_v a_o perfect_a christian_n unless_o he_o be_v chrism_v by_o the_o episcopal_a confirmation_n 28._o ambr._n l_o 3_o de_fw-mi sacra_fw-la c_o 2._o conc._n aurel._n c._n 3._o the_o consot_v d_o 5._o c._n leiun_n bel._n l._n 2._o do_v sac_n effect_v c._n 28._o 27._o wherefore_o bellar._n fear_v not_o to_o say_v cypr._n l._n 2._o ep_n 1._o &_o cornelius_n in_o cp_n ad_fw-la fabianum_fw-la apud_fw-la euseb_n l._n 6._o hist_o c._n 53._o non_fw-la timuerunt_fw-la dicere_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la plenè_fw-la sanctificatos_fw-la nec_fw-la perfectos_fw-la christianos_n qui_fw-la carent_fw-la sacramento_n chismatis_fw-la ctiamsi_fw-la hanc_fw-la vocent_fw-la caluinus_fw-la &_o kemnitius_n veterem_fw-la contumeliam_fw-la cyprian_n and_o cornelius_n fear_v not_o to_o say_v that_o they_o be_v not_o full_o sanctify_v nor_o perfect_a christian_n who_o want_v the_o sacrament_n of_o chrism_n although_o caluin_n and_o kemnirius_n call_v this_o a_o old_a calumny_n as_o m._n nicholas_n also_o condemn_v the_o same_o speech_n and_o so_o in_o this_o join_v with_o heretic_n h._n in_fw-la c_o 8_o act_n five_o 17_o lit_fw-fr h._n lorinus_n a_o jesuite_n write_v upon_o the_o 8._o charter_n of_o the_o act_n say_v that_o guilielmus_fw-la parifiensis_fw-la deplore_v worthy_o the_o contempt_n of_o so_o great_a a_o sacrament_n confirmation_n who_o grace_n be_v in_o some_o manner_n great_a than_o the_o grace_n of_o baptism_n and_o without_o which_o sacrament_n as_o the_o father_n and_o counsel_n speak_v we_o be_v not_o full_a perfect_a and_o consummate_v christian_n wherefore_o he_o say_v this_o sacrament_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v consummatio_fw-la consummation_n bayus_n also_o cit_v s._n clement_n his_o constitution_n &_o the_o epistle_n which_o m._n doctor_n allege_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o bishop_n be_v the_o minister_n of_o confirmation_n 4_o bas_n us_o l._n 2_o inst_z cap._n 60_o 5_o clc._n l._n 3_o con_v c_o 10_o 16_o 17_o &_o l._n 7._o c_o 44_o &_o cp_v 4_o and_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n because_o confirmation_n be_v the_o perfection_n and_o compliment_n of_o baptism_n and_o so_o must_v be_v minister_v by_o the_o chief_a minister_n and_o again_o the_o same_o author_n cit_v as_o m._n doctor_n do_v 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