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A14350 The common places of the most famous and renowmed diuine Doctor Peter Martyr diuided into foure principall parts: with a large addition of manie theologicall and necessarie discourses, some neuer extant before. Translated and partlie gathered by Anthonie Marten, one of the sewers of hir Maiesties most honourable chamber.; Loci communes. English Vermigli, Pietro Martire, 1499-1562.; Simmler, Josias, 1530-1576.; Marten, Anthony, d. 1597. 1583 (1583) STC 24669; ESTC S117880 3,788,596 1,858

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