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A16813 VVits trenchmour in a conference had betwixt a scholler and an angler. Written by Nich Breton, Gentleman. Breton, Nicholas, 1545?-1626? 1597 (1597) STC 3713; ESTC S104689 30,274 46

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all with one breath Yea quoth the Angler so a knaue may flatter his Maister and abuse his friend and all with one tongue but what of that I pray you goe on howe decide you the quarrell I will tell you quoth the Scholler by onely Magis and Minus for in respect of the cold it is warme and in respect of the fire it is cold Oh quoth the Angler I vnderstand you by a Candle which in the dark giues a pretty light but in the Sunne it goes out True quoth the Scholler so is a foole held wise among wits of weake vnderstanding but in the iudgement of discretion he is quickly decided Now the next point that I learned in naturall Philosophy was this Naturam expellas furca licet vsque recurret That which is bred in the bone will neuer out of the flesh In déede it is hard to turne black into any other colour Kat after kinde will be euer good Mouse hunt In déede quoth the Angler a Iack-daw is neuer like a Tassell-gentill but by your leaue what was your next note This quoth the Scholler Contra principia non est disputandum Which is this in effect There is no disputing against principles Oh quoth the Angler you meane with Princes and good reason for their pretogatiues are great and therefore their powers must be absolute their displeasure feared and their wills obeied In deede quoth the Scholler you say true he is higher minded then witted that will contend with his superiors but that is not the sence of this sentence There be some Rascalls called Athiests that will dispute against the maiesty of God Oh quoth the Scholler leaue them to the mercy of the deuill and as you say hee that is so conceited of his wit as to goe from all good vnderstanding let him goe hang himselfe in his own Schoole and God blesse me from his learning Amen me to quoth the Scholler but now to an other point A particulare ad generale non est tenenda ratio Though one man be true harted euery knaue is not to be trusted No quoth the Angler for one Swallow makes not Sommer the Priest may be an honest man and yet many a knaue in the Parish and Uirgine wax is for Christmas lights which is not solde by euery Chandler True quoth the Scholler some men growe wealthy with good conscience but it is not generall in these dayes But to leaue these Sentences I will tell you further of my learning I finde by my reading that man was compounded of the foure Elements of fire water earth and ayre How quoth the Angler is it possible The fire drinke vp the water and the earth dry vp the aire and when they are consumed what is left to make man of Oh sir quoth the Scholler I thus vnderstand the foure Elements Choller Fleame Blood and Melancholie Indeede qd the Angler I thinke you say true a chollerick fellow will be angrie with his owne shadowe and a flegmatick woman hath her nose euer dropping a melancholie foole is like a dreame of a dry Sommer and a sanguine faced youth wil bléede at the nose if he see a faire woman Oh sir quoth the scholler you speake merrilie but let mee tell you the chollerick man is soone augrie and soone pleased the flegmatick is a better land man then a sea man the sanguine is a fine Courtier and the melancholie a great studient Iust quoth the Angler the chollericke is like a hastie pudding soone hote soone cold the flegmatick is like a Culles consumed into ielly the sanguine like a Cherrie tart that would say come eate mee ere I came at it and the melancholie like a browne loafe that had beene halfe burnt in the baking Truely sir quoth the Scholler I haue not often heard such descant vpon a plaine song but let mée tell you that without the knowledge of these grounds it is hard for the Phisition to minister cure of a disease Well quoth the Angler what soeuer you note by your reading this I finde by obseruation that fire is good in Winter and water in Sommer ayre sweet in y e spring and earth most comfortable in the haruest and good chéere and honest company makes a merry hart and a sound bodie I like not to study too farre into Nature to forget God or to confound reason indeede if Phisitions cannot iudge of simples they may thinke of Com but they shall come by few pounds But yet for all my iesting I pray you goe on with your good instructions Well sir then qd the scholler the next was this Narura semper gignit sibi similem an Eagle neuer hatcht an Owle nor of a Lyon came a Monkie True qd the Scholler a bird is commonlie knowne by his feather for euerie long bill is not a Woodcock No quoth the Angler that is true and yet maister Constable may be wealthy and his sonne an vnthrift Oh quoth the scholler hee may perhaps take after the Mother who did eate vp her Creame when she should haue kept it for Butter but to tell truth a Greyhound and a Mastiffe neuer bréede but a mungrell But I will tell you further of my notes I learne the propertie qualitie and effect of manie things as first and chiefelie of Man Reason is proper to euery man honestie to many a man now reason with honestie effects credite with commendation Well said qd the Angler and contrariwise a man may haue reason to enrich himselfe but if his qualitie be to be a thiefe or a Traytor the effect will be shame and hanging if he chaunce to scape hell after Uery true quoth the scholler but now in other things as in Corne to grow is the property to make bread his quality and his effect is our nouriture But quoth the Angler if the ground be not well tilled the seed well fowne and the dow well kneaded you may happen as good be fasting as to keepe your stomacke for a loafe but what say you of quantitie Indeed quoth the Scholler you say true a good quantitie of monie will help to grace a little wit but I haue seene one no higher then a horse-loafe wiser then a world of wormes-meat But indéede according to the quantitie of your Roses you must looke for your sweet water from your Still Oh sir quoth the Angler you meane according to the quantitie of your wit you must looke for the sweete of your inuentions Sir quoth the scholler how soeuer my inuentions are I am sure yours are so quicke that if I were againe to goe to schoole I would be glad of such a Maister Well qd the Angler flattery is an idle poynt of Rethoricke and therefore I pray you let me intreate you to giue me leaue to bee merry with you and craue a few of your notes vppon your Morrall philosophy Sir quoth the scholler in briefe with thanks for your kindnes I will graunt your request My first note was that Omnes sibi melius esse male
since to tell you true I take no great care of their conditions hauing a stomack of that disgestion that was neuer afraide of a raw Oyster I pray you let mee heare your tale of the choosing of theyr King Sir quoth the Angler as I haue heard it I will tell you in the vnknowne deepes of the wonderfull water called the neuer séene Sea when fishes could speake and waues carried newes to the banckes of the earth to mocke the babies of the world it was a noise in the ayre that if there were not a King in the water Frogs would eate vp the fishes where-vpon poore fooles holding an opinion that wonders might come to passe fell to a counsaile among them selues how to choose a King for their comfort For a little time great hold and show was among them in so much that there was a great feare of ciuill warres to grow among them Some would haue the Whale for his greatnes some the Dolphin for his swiftnes other the Sword-fish for his stoutnes but when the Whale was séene vnwildy though hee were great the Dolphin was too nimble to trust to and the Sword-fish too dangerous to dwell by they no sooner saw the Herring come with his million of attendants but his readines to beare them company at all times and at all seruices made them with generall consent to goe of his side so he receaued his tytle But among the slow fishes that sliding low by the water could make no hast to the Court came the Plaise with a pied coate who had no little hope that his cost would purchase him great honour But béeing met by the way by one that either pittied his expence or laught at his folly he was told he might returne home againe as he came for the King was chosen allowed Who quoth the Plaise the Whale no why so He was vnwildy the Dolphin no and wherefore He was too nimble the Sword-fish no for what cause He was too quarrelsome the Codde neither for what fault He gaped so wide his throat was full of flyes who then The Herring Herring quoth the Plaise wrying his mouth so in scorne that he could neuer since set it straite And reason quoth the Scholler when a foole in a pyed coate will be putting for a kingdome he must haue his mouth or his necke or somwhat stand awry euer after But Sir for your tale I thanke you for I haue heard it often but not in this manner But I pray you Sir let me intreate you to tell me a little of the properties and seruices of the fishes especially such Riuer fish as you take pleasure to angle for I will tell you quoth the Angler for Sea-fish I haue not beene acquainted with many but so farre as I can speake I will tell you mine opinion My iudgement is that the Porpuse is like a Swine a great deuourer of Sprats that makes him in taste so like a red Herring and beeing serued at a table he is a good grosse dish for a course stomack Olde Ling without musterd is like a blew coate without a Cognisaunce and a péece of Gréene-fish with Sorrell sawce is no meane seruice in an Alehouse A Whiting is so old a Courtier that he cannot loose the credite of his seruice Fresh Sammon Sturgeon and Conger are no victuals for poore people especially for weake stomacks that must haue wine for their disgestion Oysters are stirring meate especially with the help of an Onion Mussles and Lobstars Crabs and Tortus are dangerous for Agues Smelts are good for women with child and Shrimps are pretty picking meate for idle people after dinner now for Riuer fish which we cheefely call Fresh-fish The Pike is so rauenous that he will destroy a whole pond and eate vp his fellow Pickrell mary the Pearch is so backed that he dare not meddle with his bristles the Carpe féedes most in the night the Eele euer stirs most after a raine and the Tench is the only Surgeon for al the Brooke But for Roches Bleaks Dase and such like they are such little fooles that against euery little shower they will be caught with a Fly For their seruices a Pike in broath a Carpe baked an Eele rosted a Tench sowsed a Swelt fried and a Shrimp new sodden are serued in their best kindes but of all fishes fresh or salt whatsoeuer opinion is held of dainty tastes The Herring is he that passeth Towne and Countrey for a good fellow and thus much for my knowledge in fishing Now for the cause that first led me into the delight of this kinde of angling I will tell you When I found the substantiall angling with the golden hooke was sometime deuilish the Metaphoricall with the conceited hooke was often knauish the fantasticall with the dreaming hooke was foolish I thought it better liuing as I doe not farre hence to walke from my house hether to the water side and angle for a dish for my supper then runne into the Towne I knowe not among whom to gape like a Codshead or so practise with a knaues head that I may feare the deuill in my conscience ere I haue halfe made my market for my dinner In déede sir quoth the Scholler you say well for when I was a Scholler in the Uniuersitie many yeares a goe mee thought solitarines was a sweete life it did so auoide occasions of euill but leauing my study and falling into a little trauaile I haue runne into such a world of varieties that finding all vanities but vertue I had rather walke as I doe somtime to contemplate the hopes of the blessed then to runne vp and downe among the confusions of the wicked Truly sir quoth the Angler I am glad to heare a Scholler make so good a benefite of his study as hauing escaped the snares of the deuill as it seemes you haue that you are so adicted to serue God as I hope you doe but since you haue beene both a Scholler and a trauailer I beseech you let mee be beholding to you for a little both of your learning experience Sir quoth the Scholler to acquaint you a little with my learning you shall vnderstand that after such time as I had passed the Punies forme that I had gone through the rules of my Grammer reade ouer a little Poetry and knew the grounds of Logick I fell to the study of Philosophy where finding Nature such a Mistres and Reason such a Maister that they could not agrée without patience I tooke no little delight to note the deuiding of the quarrell Furthermore I found such secrets by obseruation as I would not haue missed for a mountaine As how I pray you quoth the Angler Mary quoth the Scholler I will tell you touching the quarrell first I will tell you It is in the rules of Philosophy that contraries cannot at one time be in one subiect which we see otherwise doe fall out in a man that warmes his hands and cooles his pottage and