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A89857	A vindication of truth, as held forth in a book, entituled, Love to the lost, from the lies, slanders and deceits of T. Higgenson, in a book, called, A testimony to thc [sic] true Iesus. But he is discovered to hold forth another Iesus then what the Scriptures hold forth, or the saints witness. / I.N.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N326; Thomason E886_8; ESTC R202994	44,930	58

and vertue of all Creatures and to see God in all things and looking at this as too base to be the the effects of that Supper and is the Supper it self now become a rudiment with thee And thou goest on to tell what this rudiment must be and that therein is not a bare speculation of Christ or the divinity as filling all things for the natural man may know so much thou saies but to descern the law and all perfection to be already buried and abolished in his grave and your selves raised up into liberty c. I say it is true lawless liberty is the thing that thy Ministery preaches and to bury perfection but the end why Christ sent forth his Ministers was for perfecting the Saints not to bury perfection Ephes 4 11 12 13. And the Saints Preached Christ for their Law-giver and the Law for their hearers to look into and continue therein not to be hearers onely but doers of the work and said they should be blessed in that deed and said the Law was Perfect and did endure for ever these did not bury it but preach it and live in it and was set free by it James 1. 25. Rom 8. 2. But thy way is to bury it out of the sight and all perfection with it lest it trouble thy liberty and this is the end of thy rudiment and yet sayest the natural man may know the speculation of Christ or the divinity I say could he know that which is false as Scripture witnesses 1 Cor. 2. 14. I should chuse the naturall mans estate far before thine and thy liberty for all thou hast got with thy rudiment wherewith thou hast buried the Law and all perfection Another piece of thy doctrine is That Christ revealed in man is not to reconcile the Creatures unto himself I say the Devil would have the creatures act his command to spend upon his lust and therefore would exclude Christ in man to be but as some Cypher or something to take on not to have any power in the heart to take the creatures from their lust and bring them into the place and Covenant wherein they were created and that in the heart of every man particularly which is not done where he is not in the heart he would be content to allow him a name or a talk of reconciling people before they be begotten or born as thy faith is but after they come into the world and be able to do him any service then must he have the ordering of all within and to own Christ for a Redeemer in the heart daily to free him from his sins while the creature lives that must go under the name of an error if the Devil be teacher and to affright simple people the more from it he tells them that to wait upon Christ in spirit every day to redeem them from their present sins and enlighten them and let them see his present wiles with which every day he besets them this is to deny his person and what he did at Jerusalem and is but a spirit of fear they need not trouble themselves withall It s enough that Christ reconciled the world in himself and ruled over the Devil in his own person he need not do the same in him that is but to do the work over againe and with such deceirs as these he deceives the simplicity and sets the beast at liberty and having got up in one and the false Prophet thereon which hath told the lies there Anti christ goeth out into the world to oppose the word of reconciliation or the government of Christ in the hearts of all the rest Thou sayest That my saying Christ was not born in the Disciples when the Supper was appointed is contrary to truth But truth faith that the Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Jusus Christ was not yet glorified John 7. 39. neither was Christ born in all in the Churches for some was carnal and they was but waiting for his appearance and many of them knew not the Table of the Lord from the Table of Devils and so was not come so far as those thou calls Pagans to see God in every thing Concerning Redemption ANd here thou begins first to make a lie as formerly to make thy self work saying that I say Redemption is not of sinners but of the light within which is but the falshood of thine owne heart for I speak of that seed that lyeth slain in trespasses and sins and in redemption of that is the sinner redeemed who was captivated into sin and condemnation with the other seed of the Devill which is not to be redeemed but destroyed And after this lie thou tells of my darkness and cries out how are the abundant riches of grace the fulness of the Mediator and the power of the Crosse resolved at once into the light I say blind man when was they out of it yet doth none see them there but as they follow in the light come to see the life as saith Christ John 8. 12. so that every one that sees the light sees not them but he that follows the light sees and receaves them therein which are not to be received in any thing else But how shouldest thou know what is in the light who denies all light both within and without whatsoever to be exercised therein Children of darkness could never judge what was in the light who in thy blind mind art telling that the seed needs no redemption what was that that was redeemed in the Ephesians which was dead in trespasses and sins in which they walked before they received the Apostles doctrine Ephes 1. 1 2. was they naturally dead or the seed of God was slain in them but when thou knows what that is that is dead in thee whilest thou art alive in the Devills works denying any thing in thee to save the therefrom then thou shalt know what seed that is I speak of which is not the seed of the evil doer till then stop thy mouth from speaking thou knows not what who hast denied all light whatsoever what art thou like to know but what darkness teacheth thee Thou goes on in thy confused mind and tells of a greater law that came forth Christ in flesh and of an end put both to law and flesh by the body of Christ and that you are joined to Christ alone according to the inward man ye dwell in the curtains of Solomon and liberty and rest of Christ but according to the flesh you are in the tents of Keder And yet thy greatest work in thy book is to deny christ according to the in ward man and to set up the knowledge of him according to the flesh and thus with thy drunken dark spirit thou confounds thy self and staggers to and fro at noon day vomiting out thy own shame and confusion Thou tells also that thy Redemption no law nor light of conscience can descern but the light of Christ shining into the heart So in

A VINDICATION OF TRUTH As held forth in a Book ENTITULED LOVE TO THE LOST From the Lies Slanders and Deceits of T. HIGGENSON in a Book called A Testimony to the true Iesus But he is discovered to hold forth another Iesus then what the Scriptures hold forth or the Saints witness I. N. LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert and are to be sold at the Black-Spread-Eagle at the West End of Pauls 1656. A Vindication of Truth as held forth in a Book entituled Love to the Lost Friend THou sayes thou shall present a veiw of that Spirit that is in the Quakers having obtained a more perfect understanding of that way and sum of our faith and profession which thou sayes is come forth signed by James Naylor And this thou sayes thou wilt do in love to us To which I say that which is come forth by James Nayler was presented already and hadst thou been able to have said something against it as by me presented and proved it in plainness not to have been the faith and spirit that was in the holy men of God then hadst thou done something to purpose But in that thou hast left what truth I presented and instead thereof hast presented a heap of falshoods and deceits out of thy own bosom as like my words as thou well could make a lie to the truth And hast made people beleive thou hast disproved something of mine when thy work hath but been to fight with thy own falshood and so confound thy self instead of confuting me This makes it appear that thou art not perfect in thy understanding of our way and spirit the sum of our faith and profession or else wickedly ignorant that thou mayst take occasion to cast thy reproach upon us and the truth and faith we profess Indeed who reads my book and thy slanders gathered from thence as thou pretends will say the later is the more like seeing thou hast so often repeated over thy own wicked slanders fathering them on me which hath no footing at all in my book As that I deny the person of Christ the death of Christ the bloud of Christ the once offering of Christ for all c. that I say the light in every man is God and Christ and Redemption is the baptism of Christ is Gods Righteousness and many such like abominable lyes never spoken by me which thou often over accusest me that I say so that any moderate man may wonder that ever any who have but a shew of religion should be so void of the fear of God or have so little bridle for the tongue as thou hast shewed in this thy work But that conceit thou hast of being justified before thou wast born and before either faith or works hath given thee such a dispensation as that thou matters not much what thou sayest being justified beforehand nought thou dost can condemn thee Christ hath born away all thy sins before thou was begotten or born and thou shalt never bear them nor they be charged upon thee a principle of wickedness called faith to cheat the soules of people and keep them bold in their sins at which all that knows the righteousness of God and his terrors against sin may weep to think on And in all which instead of discovering our spirit thou are discovered thy spirit and foundation but what is come forth signed by James Nayler stands as it was thy lies being taken away which some of them I shall lay open with thy confusions thereupon as to the later part of thy book which pretends an answer to my writing in Love to the lost The other part though a heap of confusion I shall not much meddle with as to answer the substance thereof falling within the other part nor shall I write much to any of it truth is tryed and stands not by words So to the first particular as followeth First Concerning the fall of man ANd in this thou tels of the sum of things spoken by me but sums up thy own lies amongst it not having matter from my words to accuse me with Doth my words say that Gods own Wisdom and Spirit remains in faln man but as a captive and that that was his fall or do I say that by looking and turning not to any thing without but to that of God lying under and covered within him and that that is the bloud of the Cross and his redemption Art not thou ashamed instead of answering to my words to become an accuser openly had it not been thy wisdom rather to have been silent if thou durst not have entred upon my words as they stand then to have made thy self way with lies and then to disprove thy lies thy self And not any thing that I have said dost thou appear against onely in thy seeming answer or mist which thou casts thou adds more lies saying that I say that there is that in the natural man which being turned into and followed can redeem and make attonement a thing never spoken by me nor never entred into my heart for it is in the spiritual man that the attonement is made and not in the natural Thou further sayes That the obedience of Christ was not the righteousness of one which is as false concerning Christ as the other concerning me as whoever reads Rom. 5. 18 19 shall read there in plain words Other things thou sayes As that we are not made righteous by looking back and turning to the first Adam c. A thing never spoken by me nor intended onely thou dost disprove thy own deceitful slander cast on my words and so in the most places of thy book which I shall not much mention seeing they touch not my words as he that reads my words may see not one sentence of mine hast thou disproved in this answer Thou adds a piece of false doctrine which I shall discover Thou sayes by looking out of everything in man to the second Adam I say he whose eyes is without and not within cannot see the second Adam for he cannot be seen but by revelation and in spirit he is known and seen since his ascention and hath been to all his as these Scriptures will plainly prove Galat. 1. 16. Col. 1. 27. And I demand of thee and all thy generation to make it appear how the second Adam is now seen but in the spirit by faith within till then blame me not for saying this of thine is false doctrine I know there is a sort of you who have conceited a carnal sight and have run in your carnal expectations from year to year therein till you are become spiritually blind but if that be it thou here intends thou must reckon thy self for the present amongst those who have neither seen him nor known him who denies his revelation in spirit and so being intruding into that which the eye hath not seen no marvel though thou speak so darkly of him as thou dost in this thy book and would lead men from the

should be loath to have to do with any one of thy opinion I am sure no Ranter hath a larger Thou tels a story of being dead in Christ unto the first Adam with all his deeds and all the evils that came in by him And as thou beholds Christ thou art changed into the same Image from glory to glory I say if lying and deceit be a deed of the first Adam then I say thou art alive to that and it raigns in thee And whereas thou sayes As thou beholds him thou art changed into his Image c. I say even so for thou who hast denied him in thee never beheld him and so art the same thou wast and deceit is thy glory and from one deceit to another is thy charge And thou that was pure before thou wast born and sayes that is thy state thou stands in what needs thou any more changing Another way thou would take to defraud the Scripture that thereby thou mayest keep any from looking for washing or justifying now sayes thou When it is said we are justified by God and by Grace by the name of Christ by the Spirit of our God we are to understand that these went out against our sins in the bloud of Christ and so would make all these of no use now in our age as to sanctifie now but who reads the Saints testimony 1 Cor. 6. 11. may find that they was washed sanctified and justified after they had sinned and not before as thou imagins thou wast before thou was born and so thy washing so far before hand leaves thee filthy still but they was washed from their filthiness and knew no liar nor false accuser must enter into the Kingdom of Heaven how clear soever they was before they was born and before they were a washing and justification thou so much boasts on but its clear they and thou art not of one justification for theirs was present thine before thou wast their 's by faith thine before faith their 's by the spirit thine by imaginations without either spirit faith or knowledge Concerning Christ Jesus THis is the first Charge that is made up of truth And thou sayes my faith is That Christ humbled himself and became obedient unto death that he might become a living example c. And this thou opposes as an error which are the words of Scripture And though thou have said true in thy first charge yet it must not pass without a lie in thy answer that is as though I had said That the mystery of faith is become no more with us than a lofty imagination of reason when there is not one word by me to that purpose but thy own vomit cast out upon us to make the truth odious which thou canst not otherwise disprove So thou adds a confusion or two and leaves what I have said as it was First thou sayes Not the light within is that which leads to Christ Jesus and so would make Christ a liar like thy self John 8. 12 And then thou sayes It must be known by the Spirit and so makes thy self a liar if the Spirit be light within which none that ever knew it will say otherwise of it Thou sayes also That the Scriptures are the Image of Christ A thing they may beleive that will for ought thou proves of it Thou asks Would the light within have shewed you the Atonement c I say the true Atonement it will and no other thing can shew it to every particular person but thy atonement that was before thou was born and is yet in thy sin it will not it shews no such lies but blind man may not all that have any experience of atonement see what thy atonement is that is not seen within hadst thou been reconciled to God in thy heart and spirit the liars mouth had been stopt but if thou should own such an atonement thou would lose thy Masters service But didst thou know what atonement or unity with God is thou could not feed thy self with lies taking conceits for atonement while that of God within in thy Conscience condemns thee but thy atonement would be to see the light of his countenance shining in thy heart in the face of Jesus and see him speak peace who wounds Concerning the Ministry of Christ THis Charge is true also That I say The Ministers of Christ have the word in them that they preach not for hire that they are persecuted c. and this thou likes not for truth And to oppose it thou sayes first I say rightly but Ministers of Righteousnesness are of Satan or of Christ zealously to affect to preach frecly suffer labour stripes imprisonments c. I say Are Ministers of Righteousness of Satan and do the Ministers of Satan preach freely c Then take notice that thou liar and hireling never yet came so far as a Minister of Satan in thy own account and thus instead of weighing us thou hast weighed thy self and all thy brethren the Parish Masters with thee and art found wanting of Ministers of Satan for shame now cease calling your selves Ministers of Christ if by your fruits you may be known and Christ hath said you must Math. 7. 16 20. but this thou denies and sayes Nay by their spirits they must be judged and their spirit by their words So the Devil would come in for a Minister who can get words enough but fruits he cannot therefore he loves not that trial Thou further sayes Thou art jealous that we are Ministers of darkness Yet not so dark but we can through the light of Christ see the Devils deceits and that 's thy punishment at present Concerning Free-Will THis Charge is falsly made up not as I have spoken all the words in it yet somewhat of truth there is in it First The light within which reproves the evill deeds is the will of God by which will we are sanctified That in every man which shews sin and reproves for it is free grace This light in every man is Free Will Which is utterly false for I have not said that every man that sees this light hath Free-will but with the light he may see the will of God which is free from his own will but none hath Free-will but who denies their own wils Thy answer is That if the first be so then is the death of Christ of none effect So that by thy doctrine if it be the will of God that men should be reproved of sin by the light of Christ and if it be by the will of God that we are sanctified and saved for that is the thing I affirm then Christ died in vain this is thy consequence so I shall prove what I affirm and then see all men what thy doctrine of consequence is That it is the will of God that all men should be reproved for their evil deeds by the light read Ephesians 5. 13. John 16. 8. And that by the will of God we are sanctified and saved Hebrews 10.

them spiritually which is the Comforter even the Spirit of truth to guide them into all truth and this Christ holds forth as their greater power and comfort Yea and when they had received him so they said though they had known Christ after the flesh they knew him so no more how much less is a talk of him whom you never see neither with out nor within with his presence in spirit which is the main end why he came in the flesh in his own person that through faith in him who was the first begotten from the dead he might appear in spirit in all his and dwell in them guide and govern in them for ever as his dwelling place in this world from generation to generation for evermore in which body he is vailed from the worlds wisdom now as ever he was and in whom he now suffers as he hath ever done I say how much short such are of the knowledge of a living Christ his presence or redemption these times may judge and the fruits thereof for where Christ is the body is dead because of sin and the spirit is life because of righteousness but where a talk of Christ onely is the body of sin lives such would murther him where he is come under a pretence of their denying Christ at Jerusalem when they do not onely believe what he did there but also witness him in them their Saviour at present from sin and the power of Satan which is the end why he came at Jerusalem and with out which the other saves not And for this hast thou setup thy horn against it and hast brought out this heap of confusion to shew thy self blind with the rest of thy earth born brethren who are at strife one with another but now joyned together in open battel against the light of the Lamb which is risen to reveal your dark foundation and that your curious Babel may become a heap of rubbish till there be not left a way in nor our nor a place to hide you And such a heap there of is in the other part of thy book as might fill a volume to repeat and answer but the substance thereof being answered in this foregoing or in other books I shall say little onely give thee and the world a veiw of some few of thy errors and let the Scripture reprove them such as these following Errors THat there are three way to know God when as there is but one way even Christ from the beginning though in several Ministrations John 14. 6. That the knowledge of God according to the Law is Idolatry whereas God hath said I will write my Law in your hearts and you shall know me which is the new Covenant neither was it ever Idolatry to know God after the Law Heb. 8. 8 9 10 11. Jer. 31. 32 34. Jam. 1. 25. That the Doctrine of Devils doth preach a Jesus Gospel and Spirit 2 Cor. 3. 16 17. That all men know God according to his Godhead Mat. 11 27. 1 Cor. 15. 34. 2 Thes 1. 8. That a Man while enclosed enclosed up in a body of sin and death is at the same time raised up into the heavenly Righteousness Immortality and freedom above all sin or shadow of evil Math. 6. 24. Rom. 6. 16. John 8. 34 35 36. Rom. 8. 12. That Christ cannot be seen by the obedience of the Spirit within us 1 Cor. 12. 3. Rom. 8. 14. That those whose root and foundation is what Christ is and hath done in himself but the way to partake of the benefit of it is their union with him such do by lust crucifie his Spirit and Grace within John 15 4 5. That the Gospel being a Mystery of things hid in Christ is neither written nor to be seen in the heart of man 1 Tim. 3. 9. Rom. 10 8 9 10. That the Gospel as a Commandement and Peice of morality may be read and beleived by every man and yet sayes in another place the Gospel is hid from all principles of flesh 2 Cor. 4. 3 4. That the Mystery of God in Christ is not to be known by his enlightening within men 2 Cor 4. 6 7. That the Spirit set up asunder from the letter brings forth a twofold error both perilous and hurtful 2 Cor. 3. 6. Rom. 7. 6. That affirming the Light in the Conscience the way or guide to Christ is a darksom and fleshly principle wherein Christ and his Redemption is forgotten for ever 1 Tim. 1. 19. and 3. 9. That all just Laws of Nations are beams from Christ as he is the Light and Word of God to the natural man but not as he is a Redeemer John 1. 9. and 5. 33. That the Light within for matter and substance is the same with the Law of Moses and was not given for righteousness nor can reveal life Rom. 10 7 8 9 10 2 Cor. 4. 6. That Christ came to deliver us from the light within Luke 11. 34. 35 36. That Christ is no giver of Laws Isai 33. 22. 1 Cor. 9. 21. Jam 4. 12. Rom 8. 2. That Christ set forth as the Word the Light the Truth the Spirit as a Man holy spotless separate from sinners as a living example to the world of perfect obedience to the Law of the Spirit and life of God so denies and blots out the glory of his grace as being the end of the Law Rev. 19. 13. John 8. 12 John 14. 6. Heb. 7. 26. 1 Pet. 2. 21. Rom. 8. 2. That a Man may see himself dead and buried with Christ and raised up together with him and not by any obedience to Christ within 1 Pet. 1. 2. 22. That the Light within is that spirit of this world that hath formed all false resemblances of Christ Luke 11. 34 35. 36. That the true likeness and Image of Christ is not known to the light within 1 Cor. 12. 3. That the conception of Christ as a Law-giver and work is an Idol and the root of all idolatrous Religions James 4. 12. Isay 33. 22. That the Law in the conscience arose against Christ 1 Pet. 3. 21. That a Man is justified from sin while the Light within condemns of sins 1 John 3. 19 20 21. That Jesus Christ came forth and took the work of the Law out of the heart Rom. 2. 15 16. That the Light within accusing for sin pertaineth onely to the flesh John 16. 8 13. That Christ comes not down into our persons as a light accusing for sin John 16. 8 13. That Light within which leads to know God as God and glorifie him as God and returns to God obedience there to just and perfect as God is just and perfect this knows nothing of the Gospel-Ministry God manifested in flesh 2 Cor. 4. 6. That this Light was not given for righteousness which will do all this before mentioned These need no answering to any who have received and felt any thing of God they can all witness that not any thing of God did