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A44802 One of Antichrists voluntiers defeated, and the true light vindicated. In answer to a book called Ignis fatuus, published by one R.I. Wherein he vindicates Edward Dod and Samuell Smith (of the county of Salop) in their lyes, folly, and wickedness, and hath added more of his own, with divers of his false doctrines, lyes and slanders, &c. brought to light, and reproved: As that the law of the spirit of life, is imperfect, and not fit to be a Christian rule, and also, humane nature may be taken for the regenerate part of man, and the soul, &c. And likewise calls idolatry, civillity, and heathernish complements courtesie. His vindication made voyd, and his weapons broken, and he taken captive, and left with E.D. and S.S. among the slime pits of Siddim near Sodom, with his Ignis fatuus. / By F.H., a witnesse to the perfect law, of the spirit of life. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1660 (1660) Wing H3175; ESTC R16812 30,660 33

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I would have R. I. to understand that here was 17. yeares that he preached publickly before that and where was his ordination Many of the Brethren who was scartered abroad in the persecution that was at Jerusalem went every where preaching the word of God and when or where was these ordained and who ordained the Brethren that was persecuted after Stephens being put to death who travilled as far as Phenecia and Cyprus and Antioch preaching the word and the hand of the Lord was with them and a great number beleeved and turned unto the Lord Acts 17 19 20 21. Yet these things I bring not as to deny but that many went out with the consent of the Church and many were ordained Elders who were grown up in the truth and established who had received the Holy Ghost by whom many was confirmed and strengthned in the faith but what is all this R. I. to your ordination and who ordained you the Pope a Bishop or a Councell or a Parliament and what are they you irdaube such as learnes the art of speech seaven yeares at Oxford who hath read Homer and Aristotle Plato and Diogenes and learned to play on a Fiddle These are no Mechanicks but gifted men indeed and quallified and fit to be ordained and made Ministers Pastors and Elders to carry a broad the Traffique of Mistery Babylon but this R. I. is very peremptory and saith it is utterly unlawfull for any that are gifted to preach the word Contrary to the Apostles doctrine who saith as every one hath receiveth the gift so let him administer and not such as R. I. would have to be Ministers who hath learned an art to speak and this must be called a gift and a quallification and a fit man to be a Pastour and thus they have ordained one another and hath set up a trade of preaching and with their confused stories hath fill'd the world with darknesse And as concerning an infallible Spirit saith R. I. None except Christ who was without sin can challenge it or lay claime to it and I may say of such runnagates and wandering starrs as this F. H. and the Quakers are as John did 1 Joh. 2. 9. They are gone out from us because they were not of us Answer However this R. I. hath cleared himselfe and the rest of his brethren for being Ministers of Christ for they doe not only deny an infallible Spirit neither look to be made partakers thereof but quite shut out all the Saints from enjoying it and though in Christ the fullnesse of the Godhead dwelt who was full of grace and truth he is the Root from whence all that believe come to be made partakers of his virtue and so many of his members may lay claime to it as they have received it by a free gift according to the promise of Christ I will send you the Spirit of truth which shall lead you into all truth and the Apostle had received the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus who had freed him from the Law of sin and death and the sons of God had received it and they were led by it and the Ministers of Christ was made Ministers of it who hath made us able Ministers as it is written not of the letter but of the Spirit and that Spirit was infallible and true and that Spirit which they declared of was an unerring Spirit and as they were led by it they erred not but were kept by it that the evill one touched them not and they spoke from it and ordered the Church in it in the wisdome of God But what doth these men minister from who waits not to be made partakers of this but denyes that ever any had it or even shall have and so are but a company of dreamers and tells their dreame that they dreamed in the night or at best steales the words from their neighbour and saith Thus saith the Lord when God hath never spoken to them And though thou may say we are runnagates because we sit not dreaming over 30 or 40 families 20 yeares but travills from city and from country to country to publish the word of truth freely as the Apostles and Ministers of Christ did We must by such as this R. I. and his Brethren who hath gotten holes and nests in the earth to creep into be counted as runnagates and though John said they are gone out from us because they were not of us this he spoke of them who went out of the light in which he and the rest of the Disciples had fellowship with God and one with another and they that went out from this went into the spirit of the world and you are such as they that are gone out already and blasphemously calls the light of Christ Ignis fatuus and so all that fear the Lord will come out from you and out from Babylon where the blood of the prophets hath been shed and the witnesses kill'd you who deny an infallible Spirit is like to be in blindnesse and follow the spirit of errour for you have nought else to cleave unto And further R. I. saith When the Lord said by Joell that he would pour out his Spirit upon all flesh and his sons and daughters should prophesie the prophet speaks not of a ghostly power to open the Kingdome of Heaven given by Christ to his Apostles and Successors but of an extraordinary measure of enlightning grace and a more copious effusion of the Spirit and also to pastors to whom more is given more is required and this Text doth not prove that all sheep shall be Pastors and all schollars Teachers Answer Nay this Text doth not prove all Sheep to be Pastors neither all that are taught to be teachers for all are not Prophets neither Pastors nor teachers for as Christ said the Labourers are but few but this man is afraid that there should be too many and indeed there are too many hireling loyterers that are ready to supplant one another for filthy lucre and though many may be said to beleeve yet all have not received the Spirit of prophesie or a gift to be pastors but onely they to whom it is given of the Lord for the worke sake yet notwithstanding they who have received it ought not to be limitted either Son or daughter for them who doe quenches the Spirit and despises prophesie as this R. I. doth and how should he doe otherwise seeing he hath denyed the infallible Spirit from which all the Ministers ministred and all the prophets prophesied and spoke as they were moved by the holy Ghost But R. I. saith the Prophet spoke not of a ghostly power to open the Kingdome of heaven if by ghostly power he meane the Spirits power as I beleeve he will not deny then was it not by a spirituall power sons and daughters prophesied and did not this power open the Kingdome of Heaven and if it be a more Copious effusion of the Spirit which is given under the Gospell then
old and young beleevers and unbeleevers between such a water and such a wall or betwixt such a hedge and such a ditch And because thou said I had not named the Apostate that builded your Masse-houses I shall take away the occasion of thy clamouring this and tell thee who invented your Parishes and your parochiall way viz. The Pope Dyonisius which it may be thou wilt calculate among the Bead-row of Saints for his great devotion as thou said Ambrose did with Seneca The next thing that R. I. contends against is no lesse thing then the Doctrine of Christ and yet it may be he reckons himself as one of his Ministers and yet he raises arguments strongly against the Doctrine of Christ viz. Be not ye called Masters But it may be thou wilt say as one of thy generation said lately of some of the Doctrine of Christ that these words give an uncertain sound and therefore they must have an exposition and it is this that Christ condemneth ambition and superiority over our brothers Religion and faith Answer Then all your parochiall Ministers by thy own Exposition falls under condemnation for this is a poynt of our faith that if we be moved of the Lord and by his Spirit to come into your Assemblies to speak the word of truth that we ought to speak it and you ambitiously would arrogate unto your selves superiority over our faith and Religion like as we beleeve that we ought not to give flattering titles to men neither to give maintenance unto them of whom we are perswaded and doe believe are no Ministers of Christ And in these and many more things that pertains to Religion faith and godlinesse you ambitiously and proudly have arrogated unto your selves superiority over Religion faith and consciences Therefore repent of it and see you doe so no more left you fall into condemnation And as for calling any man Master who is our Master we own and it is the practice of such as are servants but to call him Master who is not our Master is to speak an untruth or else to give flattering Titles and we have not so learned Christ but enough of this hath been spoken by divers so that I shall pass on and touch a word about complements and doffing off hats and bowing of knees a thing that R. I. and his Brethren so dearly loves that they are loath to part with it and these things we beleeve we ought not to doe and although R. I. doth confesse that none ought to usurp authority or superiority over his brothers faith yet notwithstanding he hath forgotten his own Exposition in a moment and falls a wrangling about hatts and Caps Knees and Complements which we cannot doe for conscience sake And saith R. I. If the Quakers will not put off their hatts because it is a custome or bow the knee because they are abused they must not eat nor drink because it is abused by gluttons and drunkards Answer A pittifull lame argument we eat not nor drinke not because it is a custome nor wear apparell but because of their service and of necessity and yet I would have R. I. know that we have learned to distinguish betwixt a thing that may be customary and good in it selfe and a custome which is vaine and the Saints did not salute one another because it was a custome but because their hearts was joyned to one another in love and in truth But for doffing the hart and bowing the knee to a fellow with a feather or a woman with a fan or a Gold-Ring or powdered hair this is a vain Custome and the Antiquity of a thing doth not prove the goodnesse of it neither customarinesse the worth of any thing nor because a multitude of Roysters and Ruffins do practice such things that therefore they are lawfull for we know broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there be that enter in and we have learned not to follow a multitude to do evill though R. I. be untaught But saith R. I. When sallutations are observed with a good decorum they are like a hand diall which shews what order the wheels observe within and the abuse of any thing doth not abollish the use thereof Answer Now what R. I. doth count a good decorum Reader thou may judge by what he hath before pleaded for for doffing of hatts bowing the knee and saying Your Servant Sir or if it please your Highnesse or if it like your excellency with such feigned practises and this is the decorum which is counted civill and so reader thou may observe how the wheels runs within It so came to passe that I was amongst a Company of these that would be called Ministers of the Gospel in number no lesse then ten and in the Room I was when they all came in and they courted and bowed and scraped with their feet with their hats to the ground many of them one to another and reeling up and down the house in this manner and one striving to outstrip another in complements and though they had all intentions to sit down yet they strave among themselves who should be last and in this posture they continued halfe an hour together at the which I admired and indeed was ashamed that men who professed godlinesse should be found in such transgression and it is like R. I. will count these civill salutations with a good decorum And now Reader observe again how the wheels went within and what they did drive after but to gratifie one another in deceit with these kind of decorums like stage-players and Fidlers and thou errs not knowing the Scriptures neither the power of God when that which was commanded by God came to be abused they came utterly to be abollished as the Brazen Serpent came to be idolized it was taken away though there was no command for so doing but they might have pleaded the former against them likewise the Temple commanded to be built by God and was to have continued for ever yet being abused and made an Idoll of it was utterly abollished and was left unto them desolate and the glory of God did not appear in it as before and because of the iniquity of such a company of Priests Sion became as a plowed field and Jerusalem became heaps and the dayly sacrifices ceased and not one stone left upon another of the Temple that was not thrown down And so for thee or any other to plead custome or antiquity and examples which was neither commanded or commended as to be standing and a binding rule to all generations demonstrates thy great ignorance and blindnesse and manifests thee to be one who pleases the spirit of the world in whom the love of God dwells not The next thing that R. I. falsly accuseth and impudently affirmeth against the Quakers is That they deny honour to Superiours and to them to whom it is due and so blasphemes the name of God and his Doctrine and further saith Charity though
of his sufferings as it is written Mat. 16. 21 from that time forward began Jesus to shew unto his Disciples how that he must goe unto Jerusalem and suffer many things and be kil'd and rise again the third day So that it is manifest that here was distance of time and space betwixt Peters confession of Christ and of his rebuking of him however the unbelief was gotten up in Peter and he that had need to be taught came to be a rebuker of him who was his Teacher this was another state then the former but of these things R. I. is ignorant and let the Serpent feed upon dust for I desire to give him no other food And further R. I. saith Though Saints sin not Devil-like unto death yet if any man say he hath not sinned ofter the similitude of Adam's transgression he saith John is a lyar and the truth is not in him for when all is done the best men are men still and the best earth is earth ever and will bear nettles and brambles me and if these things were well considered by F. H. he would not say and E. D. for pleading for sin or Satan for we plead against those who say they have no sin Answer This R. I. is so in love with sin that by his arguments which he makes one would judge that he accounts it as necessary as his dayly food and these are strange kind of Saints that R. I would make at the best they are but still sinners and unsanctified but they that are called to be Saints who are begotten by God the father and preserved in Christ Jesus they are sanctified and made clean through the washing of Regeneration through the sanstsification of Gods holy Spirit which divelleth in them by which they have power to mortifie the deeds of the flesh and to overcome and to be made partakers of the promises but here lyes the difference in R. I. his account betwixt his Saints and his Sinners The sinners sinneth devil-like yet the Saints sin not devil-like I say they that sin are in one nature notwithstanding R. I. his blind distinctions for they that sin are liker the Devill then God and liker his image then Gods Image for Gods Image consisteth in righteousness and ture holinesse and the devils image consisteth in unrighteousness sin and unholiness And now Reader thou may judge whose Image R. I. his Saints bears and if thou be one that can plead against them who are born of God and sinneth not and who are cleansed from all sin by the blood of Christ then R. I. will rank thee with E. D. and himself in his Bead-row of Saints as he calls it And if any man say he hath not sinned after the simititude of Adam's transgression he is saith John a lyar Nay it is R. I. that saith it and not John and so R. I. is the lyar for the Scripture saith on this wise Rom. 5. 14. Death reigned from Adam to Moses even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression So that it is manifest that there were many that death reigned over and yet they sinned not after the similitude of Adams transgression But this R. I. will accuse every man with whom he hath a mind to quarrel and will not only tell lyes himselfe but publish false Doctrine but he will bring the Saints for his author and John saith not If any man say he hath no sin And thou that sayest when all is done the best men and the best earth will bear nestles brambles and tricks as I said to E. D. so I may to thee thou hast given thy verdict for the Devill and not for God and his Saints for They that are born of God sin not and them that are cleansed by the bloud of Christ from all sin and are clear in his sight and are kept by his immortall word which dwells in them that the evill one touch them not but hath overcome the wicked one and the best earth is that wherein righteousnesse dwells which R. I. is altogether a stranger too and that brings forth no bryars no brambles nettles nor pricks for that ground is curst so this man by his devillish Doctrine hath made the coming of Christ of none effect and the bloud of Christ of none effect and so have denyed the work of redemption to the best of men and deliverance to the Creature who hath travelled in paine This dreamer is far contrary to the Prophet Daniell who saw by the Spirit of Prophesie which this R. I. so deadly hates both in men and women that if it be not allowed of by such as he it must not speak nor they by ir This Prophet I say testified of the coming of the just one and of his work that he should make an end of sin and finish transgression and bring in ever-lasting righteousnesse but saith R. I. The best men are men still and the best Earth earthever and the best saints sinners though they sin not devil-like nettles and brambles and pricks they will all bring forth Now if this doctrine be true how is the soul raised out of death and where is the restauration of the creature from under the bondage of corruption and where is the redemption of the seed which is heir of the promise Nettles and brambles bryars cumbers the ground and choakes the seed and these things F. H. hath well considered and I see more and more that thou art a pleader for sin and Satan and imperfection for a spirit of errour for Images Pictures and Crosses for Cuffs Ribbonds and Lace for Nettles Brambles and bryars and art a man that doth lay claime to the utmost borders of the Devils Kingdome and a greater servant of his Master I have not met with long whose reward will be according to his works And the lye being the chief cognisance of his Master in which he greatly gloryes in he goes on and saith Another errour of the Quakers is they do not beleeve the Scriptures to be true because they deny them to be the word of God for if they beleeve what the Scriptures say of themselves and they say of themselves that they are the word of God and for his proofs he cites Mar. 7. 13. Rom. 10. 8. 2 Cor. 2. 17. 1 Pet. 1. 25. Answer The Scriptures we own to be true and whatsoever the Scriptures say of themselves that we own them to be to wit a declaration Scriptures of truth holy Scriptures the words of God of Christ and of his Apostles a Treatise And for his proofs I could wholly referre them to the Readento examine them himselfe and to discover the ignorance of this R. I. who tenders these Scriptures aforementioned for sufficient proof as that the Scriptures calls themselves the word of God as for Mark 7. 13. making the word of God of none effect by your tradition He doth not say of making the word of God the Scriptures of none effect neither