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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A01042	Eubulus, or A dialogue, where-in a rugged Romish rhyme, (inscrybed, Catholicke questions, to the Protestaut [sic]) is confuted, and the questions there-of answered. By P.A.	Forbes, Patrick, 1564-1635.	1627 (1627)	STC 11147; ESTC S102413	101,942	162

CHRIST should not haue continued and continued visible There-fore thinges affirmed by you can not consist with the promise of CHRIST made to His Church and her Condition accordinglie and consequentlie you are Haeretickes Thus having as hee thinketh set vs aside from anie Interest in the Title of CHRIST'S Church next vpon a ground confessed by vs but miserable mistaken by him hee buildeth a Conclusion for the second part of his mayne Assumption which concerneth the Church of Rome thus To giue lawfull Ordination to Pastors is competent onlie to the Church of CHRIST But you Protestantes acknowledge That the Ordination given by the Church of Rome was lawfull Ordination There-fore the Church of Rome must bee the Church of CHRIST Doe you not now perceiue Philomathes whither your Man's meaning tendeth by all this his great Squadron of Interrogatours with the multitude where-of hee would in a Musicall Moode over-whelme vs Philomathes I now perceiue it well anough you haue reduced all to so cleare and compendious a forme And graunting the Major of his mayne Argument you denyed his Minor And first that part there-of which vpon the Defectes layde agaynst you hee assumed of your Churches For Probation where-of I must confesse that no-thing is brought by him in his second Syllogisme but the all-readie disputed poyntes of Continuance and Visibilitie Where-of you haue sayde ●…o much as wee can not goodlie requyre anie more of you So that except it please you to aunswere vnto his last and appearinglie insoluble Objection agaynst you grounded on your owne Graunt of lawfull Ordination by the Church of Rome I thinke for mee there resteth no other poynt vndiscussed of all our matter Eubulus Of his Objection of lawfull Calling by the Church of Rome and all that hee can possiblie build thereon I shall GOD willing eyther pay him or prooue him al-readie payed more than aboundantlie And al-be-it I haue before al-so spoken of the other poynts yet for more clearing whether hee better prooveth or I deny his mayne Assumption let vs take a short view of his Interrogatours Philomathes Then saye to them and wee will heare gladlie Thus they are You say your Fayth did appeare For the first sixe hundreth yeare But tell mee if thou can When Papistrie first began Eubulus Wee affirme that our Fayth which is the onlie true Fayth hath appeared not sixe hundreth onlie but now all-most sixeteene hundreth yeares though not in alyke evidence at all tymes or to all persones and though not al-wayes perceived even of them to whome it appeared For as the Smoake of the bottomlesse Pitte by degrees prevayled so was true Light the lesse and of the lesser number perceived And yet even in the height of that Evill when a Throne was erected to Satan in the Temple of GOD and Antichrist obtayned not onlie the Court of the Temple but al-so all the holie Citie there were Candle-stickes still in the Temple and good numbers of Sealed Ones following the Lambe on Mount Syon while all the miscarried Earth followed the Beast although none could heare or learne their Song but themselues who in that common Apostasie were bought from the Earth to be the true Citizens of Heaven al-be-it in the Earth yet not of it Now what tyme Poperie did first begin what Man is hee that needeth to make anie question who readeth Paul affirming plainly that the Mysterie of Iniquitie was even then begun to worke or who readeth Iohn avouching that Antichrist was even then in the World That the first beginninges and subtill Insinuation were not commonlie marked it was the LORD His wyse Dispensation and Satan's deepe Deceit for other-wayes it had beene no Mysterie Doeth not the LORD Him-selfe teach vs in Parable That the envyous one did sowe his Tares even with the good Seede in the LORD His owne Fielde and that so covertlie and subtillie whyle the Servauntes were sleeping that all-bee-it mixed with the good Seede and waxing in the midst there-of yet it is not espyed vntill by different Stalke Flowre and Eare it bewray whose Hand did scatter it so as the verie Servants al-be-it by tyme they see it growing and waxing and discerne it to bee adulterous yet they can not tell howe by whome nor what tyme it was sowne And shall Tares I pray you bee counted good Wheat except the moment and first Sower there-of bee showne Your Man doteth and deceiveth in reasoning Sophisticallie from Poperie in the first Seede to Poperie begotten and even from Poperie begotten in the first subtill Insinuation and cunninglie-covered beginninges to Poperie borne and brought foorth and from Poperie even brought foorth but yet still masked vnder fayre and plausible Pretences and swedled vp in the Clouts of GOD His Children to Poperie at length kything openlie Teeth Hornes and Clawes so bewraying evidentlie vvhose Broode it was all-bee-it long and fraudfullie fostered in the midst of GOD His owne House Satan was long in all Subtiltie and deepe Deceit a-bringing out of that Monster as the last and greatest Master-stich of all his Policie and Power and much and darke tyme behooved to bee allotted to the begetting of that great Hercules of the infernall Iupiter First in the Seede Next in the Egge vvhence Satan long and sedulouslie sitting there-on at length hatched out a Serpent which became by tyme a fyrie flying Dragon For the Beast arose out of the Earth slowlie and insensiblie not as that Tages repente doctus in ipso nascendi Articulo You may reade if you list Philomathes a more large Answere to this same vayne Question sent to my selfe by one of your side in my Discoverie of his Dotage there-in Philomathes I will GOD willing reade it But what say you to this VVhere were the Servantes of the LORD That none of them durst speake a word To defende the knowne Trueth c. Eubulus They were even where Satan's Throne was and all-bee-it tollerating spirituall Fornication for which the LORD had some-thing agaynst them yet keeping the NAME of GOD them-selues and informing others in the true knowledge there-of they were in the Temple whyle Antichrist trode downe the Court there-of and the holie Citie and powerfullie dispensing there-in both Light and Grace to true Christians and having Vengeance in readinesse agaynst their Enemies they were in the VVildernesse both fedde and feeding others They were on Mount Syon with the Lambe both worshipping purelie them-selues and leading others there-in though none eyther heard or learned their Song but the sealed Virgines whyle the Beast miscarried all the Earth to commit spirituall Fornication Thus they were all-wayes and both spake the Trueth and for the Trueth But the blynde and stupified Sectatours of the Beast neyther saw nor heard them For howe soone the Beast of the bottomlesse Pitte perceived them then was The Patience of the Saynctes and then Blessed were the Dead which died in the LORD then lay they vnburied in the Streetes of that

this Argument as I vprightlie protest in the Presence of HIM Whome I serue in the GOSPELL of HIS Sonne That laying aside the verie selfe cleare and infallible Groundes of Trueth delivered in Scripture where-vpon agaynst all eyther Probabilities or Praesumptions our Fayth may and must solidlie relye there is no Reason in the Worlde so effectuall to assure my Soule of the Veritie of our Religion and that wee are of CHRIST His true Church as are the verie chiefe thinges which our Adversaries doe object agaynst vs. Neyther anie so pregnant a Motiue to perswade mee laying aside the consideration of their playne haereticall Opinions that they are the Antichristian Bodie as even those things where-in they doe chiefelie and most insolentlie glorie Which to cleare vnto you at such length and in such evidence as I well could and the Matter al-so requyreth it were a longer Speach than this short Occasion of Conference affordeth vs. But if you list to take paynes you may reade what I haue at more length written heereof in my DISPVTATIONS FOR OVR CALLINGES and in my COMMENTARIE on the REVELATION VVhich with the little that I haue nowe sayde when you haue more deeplie considered then if you remayne yet vnsatisfyed how-so-ever I neyther loue to contende vvith the Humourous nor to multiplye Babling vpon Blockes yet I vvill at your Desyre not sticke to take more paynes vpon your Ingenuitie Philomathes I will GOD willing reade those Bookes where-vnto you haue sharpened mine Appetite by that which you haue nowe spoken having there-by so filled mine Heart with great Doubts of such things as I accounted inexpugnable poynts that I can not choose but to insist till I bee setled as it shall please GOD to informe me in that which is the right Way of His Feare Philadelphus How invisible so-ever wee bee Eriphilus and how short so-ever you bee of sight yet I hope you may now perceiue your owne foyle in the chiefe Flowre of your Forces so as Eubulus hath not as you presumed evanished in Invisibilitie but hath made all your long and vaynlie vaunted of Visibilitie to vanish in a vayne Smoake What 's visible but there-to Visibilitie In common doth though not a-lyke conveane Why should the Bryde without all Probabilitie Visible hers then singularlie wiene Thinges visible attour are not aye seene And thinges ev'n seene yet will escape Perception Of lightned Men and what perceived beene Mules agaynst that will madlie make Exception The Church was aye seene visible perceived Of cleare but no of rakie Eyes that raved Philomathes Whether wee haue anie such Foyle as you alleadge or you such Victorie as you presume Philadelphus you are al-wayes readie to sing your owne Triumph But now al-be-it wee haue indeede al-readie passed thorow these Markes where-in wee esteeme our selues strongest and that Eubulus hath I must confesse answered more than I exspected yet I pray you let vs heare what he hath to say agaynst the rest The next Marke is VNITIE and thus our Poet speaketh of it CHAPTER VI. UNITIE THis is another Marke truelie The Church must haue VNITIE As our Saviour hath fore-tolde One Shepheard and one Sheep-folde One is my Spouse one is my Loue One is my Darling and my Doue This is His House and at some-tyme Hee doth resemble it to a Vine HIS Father is the Husband-man A Branch is everie Christian. This is HIS Bodie mysticall The which HEE doth HIS Kingdome call Where-of Saynct Peter had the Keyes And his Successours haue all-wayes This is the Pillar and the Ground Where-in all Trueth is to bee found So lyke-wyse Saynct Paul sayeth One Baptisme and one Fayth And one LORD IESU Haue no Dissention amongst you Shew mee anie Companie That in all Poyntes doe agree Except the Holie Church of Rome Then will I bee converted soone Eubulus That which as I thinke I haue evinced of all your Man 's former Marks I affirme of this also That it is impertinentlie yea falselie produced for a proper Marke of the Church in so farre as it is a common condition of manie thinges yea all thinges that are hoc ipso quod sunt anum sunt even in that they are they are in that same one as all Schooles acknowledge The Devils are vnited for Satan's Kingdome is not divided against it selfe And Briggands banded to robbe and sheede Blood are one So as still you see that your Man's mayne Proposition of his mayne Argument is vayne and sophisticall Neyther will VNITIE in all poynts ever conclude more of the Church of CHRIST than of the Antichristian bodie except VNITIE in all poynts be modified and of an indefinite VNITIE it be defined an VNITIE in all poynts of Trueth To which only demonstratiue Marke as I haue shewed of all the former so this of VNITIE must bee reduced also if there-on you would builde anie sure Conclusion For of the Antichristian Companie the holie Ghost hath in playne Tearmes fore-tolde These haue one mynde and shall giue their power and authoritie to the Beast and a little after For GOD hath put in their Hearts to fulfill his will and to doe with one consent for to giue their Kingdomes to the Beast vntill the wordes of GOD bee fulfilled And this is indeede that VNITIE where-of your Men so much glorie even a Conspiracie in Errour and no true VNITIE in Trueth as their manifolde and shamelesse Shiftings in a cleare evidence of a selfe-accusing-guiltinesse from subduing their doctrine to just examination by Scripture the sole Rule of Veritie make more than manifest Now Satan never yet envyed VNITIE in Errour or ZEALE in Superstition Philomathes Well to let this goe with you of VNITIE which you haue indeede evinced of the former that it is no proper Marke yet as I sayde and you also admitted of the others so you can not denye of VNITIE but that it is a true Attribute of the Church and that therefore our Man's Argument for the Church of Rome concludeth verie clearlie thus The Church of CHRIST must bee a Companie keeping Vnitie in all Poynts But onlie of all Companies the Church of Rome keepeth Vnitie in all Poynts There-fore the Church of Rome is the onelie true Church of CHRIST Eubulus I will not quarrell the forme of your Syllogisme for that your Assumption hath the nature of a negatiue Position I say your Proposition is sophisticall and your Assumption shameleslie false where-by your Conclusion commeth to nought As for the Proposition though you shold modifie your indefinite all Poynts to definitlie all Poynts of Trueth yet hath it in-folded a deepe Deceit For if it bee vnderstood of All Poyntes of Trueth so absolutelie as who keepe not Vnitie in all and everie poynt there-of bee excluded from the Title of CHRIST HIS Church then is your Proposition perniciouslie false And your Man would but fraudule●…tlie put foorth a bloodie Table of Proscription where-by cruellie to forfault manie good Christian and Church from the Communion of the Bodie