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A16701 The apologie of the Romane Church deuided into three seuerall tractes whereof 1. The first, concerneth the antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane religion ever since the Apostles time. 2. The second that the Protestantes religion was not so much as in being, at or before Luthers first appearing. 3. The thirde that Catholickes are no lesse loyall and dutifull to their soveraigne, then Protestantes. All which are vndertaken and proued by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues. Anderton, Lawrence.; Anderton, James, fl. 1624, attributed name. 1604 (1604) STC 3604; ESTC S119868 294,461 212

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writinge and certaine by Tradition with whom agreeth S. Basill saying (5) Basil de Spir. Sanct. cap. 27. some thing we haue from scripture other things from the Apostles Tradition c. both which hath like force vnto Christian Religion Mr. D. Rainoldes answering to these foresaid sayings of Basill and Chrisostome saith (6) D. Rainoldes in his Conclusions annexed to his conference the 1. conclusion pag. 689. I take not vpon me to controule them but let the Church Iudge if they considered with aduice enough c. Whereunto might be added the like confessed (7) Where Eusebius l. 1 demonstr Euang. c. 8 is obiected to say that the Apostles published their doctrine Partly by writing partly without writing as it were by a certaine vnwritten law Mr. Whittaker de sacra scriptura pag. 668 fine saith therto I answere that this testimonie is plaine enough but in no sorte to be receaued because it is against the Scriptures testimonie from Eusebius And thus much breifly concerning the Fathers of the Greeke Church Now as concerning the like confessed Doctrine in the Fathers of the LATTIN Church to avoide tediousnes S. Austine only as being most (*) Gomarus in speculo verae ecclesiae c. pag. 96 ante mediu saith Augustinus Patrum omnium communi sententia purissimus habetur approued by our aduersaries shall serue for all who labouring to proue that those who are Baptized by heretickes shoulde not be Rebaptized saith (8) Aug. de Bap. contra Don. l. 5. c. 23 the Apostles commaunded nothinge hereof but that custome which was opposed herein against Ciprian is to be beleeued to proceede from their Tradition as many things be which the wholle Church houldeth and are therefore well beleeued to be commaunded of the Apostles although they bee not written Wherein and (9) See the like saying in Austine epist 118 ad Ianuarium other his like sayings his meaning is so euident and confessed that Mr. Carthwright speaking thereof sayth (10) See Mr. Carthwrite in mr Whitgifts defence c. p. 103 ante med to allowe St. Austines saying is to bring● in Poperie againe and that (11) See Mr. Carthwrites wordes alleaged vbi supra if S. Austines Iudgement be a good Iudgment then there be some things commaunded of God which are not in the scriptures and there-upon no sufficient Doctrine conteined in the scriptures Add but now hereunto that (12) See Chemnitius examen part 1. pag. 87. 89 90. Chemnitius reporteth for their like testimonie of vnwritten Traditions Clemens Alexandrinus Origen Epiphanius Ambrose Hierome Maximus Theophilus Basill Damascene c. That M. Fulke (13) See mr Fulke against Purgatory pa. 362 ante med 303 397 and against Martiall pag. 170. 178. and against Bristowes motiues p. 35 36. also confesseth as much of Chrisostom● Tertulian Ciprian Augustine Hierome c. that lastly Mr. Whitaker (14) See master Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 678. 681. 683. 685. 690. 695. 696. 670 668. acknowledgeth the like of Chrisostome Epiphanius Tertulian Ciprian Augustine Innocentius Leo Basill Eusebius Damascene c. Now as concerning Ceremonies Mr. Calfehill to omitte others affirmeth that (15) Hereof see Mr. Fulkes reioinder to Martialls Replie printed 1580. pa. 131 fine 132 initio the Fathers declined all from the simplicitie of the Gospell in ceremonies 13 Thirtenthly it is confessed yet further in generall concerning Dionisius Artopagitta and Hermes who are houlden most auncient Apostolike (¶) Of Dionisius mention is made act 17 34. and of Hermes rom 16 14. namely that Dionisius in his fore-saide writinges which were aboue a thousand yeares since as D. Humfrie (⁋) Humfreid in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 5 pag. 513 fine 514 initio saith Hunc Arcopagitam Suidas Michaell Singelus Gregorius Turonensis alij Pauli auditorem credunt fuisse illum scriptorem caelestis et ecclesiasticae Hierarchiae And see before Sect 3. n. 4. lit .o. confesseth publickely extant and alleadged vnder his name doth casually and obiter amonge other thinges make mention ouer and besides the foresaide Doctrine of praier for the dead (t) Hamelmanus de traditionibus apostolicis col 707 line 27 col 736 line 56 and master Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 655 ante med of Apostolicke vnwritten Traditions of (u) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 707. l. 4 col 732 l. 51 Chrisme (x) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 707. l. 49 col 743 l. 4 Consecration of Moncks (y) Humfreid in Iesuitismi par 2 pag. 519 circamed ●nd Luther tom 2 Witeberg Anno 1562 de captiu Babil fol. 84. b. ante med Sixe of our Sacraments that the booke of Hermes entituled Pastor affordeth in like manner testimonie or grounde worke of (z) Abraham Scultetus in medulla theolog c. pag. 467 post med freewill and monasticall solitude of (a) Hamelmanus de trad apost col 252 fine col 253 initio col 254 line 38 and Abraham Scultetus vbi supra pag. 467 post med Pu●gatorie and praier for the dead of (b) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 253 l. 54 col 254 l. 49 Merite and Iustification of workes of Professed Chastitie (c) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 251 line 48 col 254 l. 30 in ministers of (d) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 l. 36 Fasting from certaine meates of (e) ibidem col 253 line 46 the Innocent parties remainnig vnmaried in case of adultrie of (f) Chemnitius examen concil Trident. part pag. 127 a prope finem workes of superogation and of (g) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 l. 53 saith Furtigitur bonum papismi initium impurus ille liber pastoris vel Heremitis Poperie And though in the primatiue Church some question (h) Vide Eusebium hist l. 3 ● 3 prope finem was made of this booke as whether it were Canonicall scripture or not many Fathers (i) It was thought to be sacred and for such alleaged by Origen lib. 10 in epist ad Rom. Tertulian l. de oratione Clemens Alex. l. 6 stromat Athanasius in libro de decretis Nicen Synod Cassianus collat 13. c. 12 and by Ireneus l. 4 c. 37. thinking that it was yet is it confessed to haue ben receaued at the least for (k) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 254 line 24 saith illum pro ecclesiastico habuerunt quidem Patr●s and col 730 line 25 he saith Hermetis libellus qui dicitur Pastor est olim aliquando in numerum ecclesiasticorum librorum relatus In so much as Eusebius hist l. 3 c. 3. Ruffinus in Simbolum Hierom in catul do commēd this booke for profitable and so Mr. Whitaker de sacra scriptura p. 93 fine confesseth of Hierome Ecclesiasticall and the authoritie thereof to haue bene so many ages since specially alleadged (l) Hamelmanus vbi supra col 253 line 10 saith
ad Bellarmini disput part 1 page 375 fine et 276 initio the iudgements and testimonies of the Church then corrupt d and betwitch●d or made blinde with this error As concerning the Primacie of the Romane sea the Centurists s●y (*) Cent. 5 cap 10 col 1262 line 30. Leo very painefully goeth about to proue that singul●r pr●heminence was giuen to Peter aboue the other Apostles and that thence rose the Primacie of the Romane Church and Beza further saith (⁋) Confess Geneue c 7 sect 12 and Whitaker de concilijs contra Bellarminum pag. 37 paulo ante medium faith de Leone primo non laboro magnus ille suit Antichristiani regni architectus and yet ibidem pag. 34. circa medium he sayeth of Leo fuit ille quidem doctus pius Episcopus sed fuit tamen magis ambitiosus c. it is manifest that Leo in his Epistles doth clearely breathe forth the arrogancie of the Anticristian Romane sea and my Lorde of Canterbury saith (¶) Mr. Whitguifte in his defence pag. 342 post med it is certaine that then viz. in the time of the auncient carthage Aphrican Councell the Bishope of Rome beganne at least to claime the superioritie ouer all Churches In like manner is that auncient councell of Sardis whereat sundry fathers of the Councell were present charged for acknowledging (28) Hereof see Osiander cent 4. p. 294 ante med and Caluin instit l. 4 c. 7 sect 9 and see hereafter Tract 1 sect 7 in the margent at the letter d of the second alphabet appell●s to the Bishope of Rome and Mr Ful●ke and other Protestants affirme that the auncient Romane Bishopes (29) See Mr. Fulke alleaged hereafter Tract 1 sect 7 letter a of the second alphabet And see Sparke against Mr. Iohn de Albines in his answere to the preface ante med and Osiander cent 5 pag 28 218. Anastasius Innocentius zozimus Boniface and Celestinus who liued 1200 yeares since challinged prerogatiue ouer the Bishopes of Aphrica by sorging a false canon of the Nicen Councell which pretence of forgerie is hereafter (30) See herafter Tract 1 sect 7 in the margent at the letter c. d. of the second alph●bet auoided Mr. Whitaker saith also of Iulius Bish●pe of Rome who liued in Constantines time that (31) See Whitaker de concilijs c. quoest 2 pag 42 fine 43 initio 44 paulo ante med he challenged to him selfe authoritie that no Councell shoulde be celebrated without the sentence of the Bish●pe of Rome S. Cipriane though a Bishope of Aphrick who liued Anno. 240. is charged by the centurie writers for his affirming (32) Cent. 3 c. 4 col 84 line 44. our chaire sounded by our Lords voice vpon the rocke and that (33) ibid. l. 49 there ought to be one Bishope in the CATHOLICKE Church for his challenge (34) ibid. l. 56 Peters chaire the principlll Church from whence Priestly vertue ariseth and lastly for his say they (35) ibid. line 51. teaching without any foundation of scripture that the Romane Church ought to be acknowledged of all others for the Mother and Roote of the Catholi k Church victor (36) Mr. Whitgifte in his defence c. pag. 510 prope finem as my Lord of Canterbury affirmeth liued Anno 198. and was a Godly Bishope and Martir and the Church at that time in greate puritie as not being long after the Apostles time yet is he charged by Amandus Polanus to (37) Amandus Polanus in silogethesin theologiae p. 165. haue shewed a Papall minde a●r gancie and by M. Sparke (38) Mr. Spark against mr Iohn d' Abbines in his answere to the preface ante med and see Osiander cent 2. pag ●7 96. somewhat Popel k● to haue receaued h●s bonndes when he took● vpon him to excommunicate the Bishopes of the East Mr. Whitaker also charging him with (*) Whitaker contra Dureum l. 7. pag. 480. initio exercising iurisdiction vpon former Churches Lastly S. Ierneus who liued next after the Apostles schollers and in the same time victor is disliked for his affirming that (39) The centurie writers cent 2. c 4 col 64 line 10 all the Churche ought to accord to the Romane Church in regard of a more powerable principallitie wherein the Centurists charge him with (40) See the 2. centurie in the Alphabeticall table at the word Irenaeus a corrupt saying concerning the Primacie of the Roman Church 11 Eleuenthly as concerning the appointed Fast of Lent St. Ambrose saith (2) Ambrose serm 25 34. 36 it is sinne not to faste in Lent for which M. Carthwright (3) Mr. Cartwrite alleged in master Whitgiftes defence p. 100 initio reproueth him yet no lesse is affirmed by (4) Aug de tempore serm 62 77 S. Austine (5) Chrisost ad pop ho. 6. prope finem Chrisostome and other (6) concil 8. Tol. can 9 Fathers in so much as Chemnitius confesseth that (7) Chemnitius examē Concil Trident. part 1 pag. 89. b. ante med saith Quadragessi nam enim Ambrosius maximus taurinensis Theophilus Hieronimus alij affirmant ess● traditionem apostolicam Ambrose Maximus Taurinensis Theophilus Hierom and other do affirme the faste of Lent to be an Apostolicall tradition In more vndouted proofe whereof other Protestante writers do not only affirme (8) See this in Abraham Scultetus in medul theologiae Patrum p. 440. initio The superstition of Lent fasting to haue bene allowed and commaunded by Ignatius (9) Master Whitgifte in his defence c. pag. 408 circa medium who was schol●er to S. Iohn but do also defend (10) See Abraham Scultetus vbi supra And the same epistle of Ignasius being ad Philippenses is in like manner cited and acknowledged by Mr. Whitgifte in his deffence p. 102 ante med And by mr Carthwrite alleaged ibidem pag. 99 prope finem And mr Hooker in his ecclesiasticall policie l. 5. sect 72 pag. 209 circa med answereth our aduersaries vsuall obiection made against it and so likewise doth mr Whitgifte in his defence c. that very Epistle of Ignatius in which this Doctrine is extant to be his true Epistle and not counterfaite 12 Tweluethly concerning vnwritten Traditions and Ceremonies and first concerninge vnwritten TRADITIONS it is Confessed as followeth whereas Sanit CHRISOSTOME saith (2) Chrisost in 2. Thessal hom 4 the Apostles did not deliuer all thinges by writing but many things without and these be as worthie of credit as the other Mr. Whitaker in answere thereof saith (3) Whittaker de sacra scriptura p. 678 paulo post med I answere that thi● is an inconsiderate speech and vnworthie so greate a father and whereas Epiphanius saith (4) Epiphanius haer 61 circa med we must vse Tradition for the scriptu●e hath not all thinges and therefore the Apostles deliuered certaine thinges by
Romano Pontifice cap. 29. vesus finem it is lawfu●l to resist the Pope invading the bodie or troubling the common wealth it is lawfull I say saith he to resist him by no doing that which he commaun●eth and by letting or hindring him that hee execute not his will wherevnto might be added as well the late (4) See this at large in the civill warres of France in English collected by Anthony Coll●net from An. 1585. till 1591. printed at London 1591. lib. 7. 8. examples yet fresh in memorie of the Catholickes of Fraunce who not onely acknowledged but also assisted and ayded this their present King notwithstanding his then knowne diversit● of religion or any former excommunication h●d frō the Popes As also the King of Spaines no lesse kno●ne detayning even to this day of Naples against the Pope notwithstāding the Popes yearely clayming of it ●n the right of his See And thus much briefely cōcerning such forraine examples as are alledged and acknowledged by our owne adversaries Onely wee th●nke this one point further worthie of observation That whereas it is manifest and confessed that sundrie Catholike Princes haue beene by their Protestant subiects actuallie deposed as your Highnes late Mother frō her kingd●me of Scotland which we referre to your Maiest●es owne more feeling (*) Howe they vsed that poore Ladie my mother is not vnknowne and with griefe I may remember it who desired onely a private Chappell wherin to serue God after her manner with some fewe selected persons but could not obteine it at their hands in the summe of the Conference before his Maiestie betweene the Bishops other of his Clergie printed 1584. pag 81. fine 82 initio testimonie the temporall Lord of Geneua from his territories there to forbeare the examples of the Lowe Countries the King (⁋) Hereof see heretofore tract 3. sect 2. in the margent at the letter c. of Suethland restrained as before to his private Catholike service ●n his owne Chappell we finde not yet on the other parte that so much as any one Protestāt Prince was ●t any t●me deposed by his Catholike subiects so different ●re the spirits of Catholikes and Protes●ants yet is it ev●dēt that Protest●nts h●ue received their c●●efest beginning increase and strength by the onely favou● tolle●ation of their Cat●olike Princes A PROTESTATION OF THE now English Catholickes SECT 5. AS concerning our selues we hould that the authoritie giuen by God to Kings is imediate abso●ute and ndependant and wee doe acknowledge from the Scrip●ures that as (d) Rom. 13 1. there is no power but from God so likewise that vnto (e) Wisdom 6 3. King rule is giuen by the Lord and pow●r by h● most High that (f) Prov. 8 15. by him Kings doe reigne as being (g) Rom. 13 4 6. his minister and that (h) Rom. 13 2. whoso●v●r r●siste●h them d● h withall resist he ordinance of God Hen e it is that we are commaunded to (i) Math. 22 21. Rom. 13 7. rēder vnto Caesar the tribute of o●r obedience to be (k) 1. Pet. 2 13. subiect to the king as hauing preeminence to (l) Prov. 24 21. ●eare (m) 1. Pet. 21 17. honor him (n) Exod. 22 28. Act. 13 5. not to speake ev●l● of him no not so much as in our (o) Eccles 10 20. thought to imagine his hurte but to bee (p) Rom. 13 5. subiect of ne essiti● and even for consc●ence sake Least that by our disobedience wee (q) Rom. 13 2. purchase to our selues domnation In so much as we doubte not further to affirme with our brethren the Rhemistes that (r) See the Rhemish Testament and the Annot. therein Rom. cap. 13. vers 2. after M. Fulkes edition fol. 259. a paulo post med Christians are bound in conscience to obey even their heathen Emperours Herevpon it is that wee differ ●n doctrine from our adversaries (2) See Bellarmin lib. 3. de Lai●is cap 10. 11. maintaining against them their contra●ie (3) Luther de Seculari potestate in tom 6. Germanico saith among Christians no man can or ought to be Magistrate but each one is to other equally subiect c. among C●ristian men none is superiour saue one and onelie Christ And in serm de o●e perdita also in his sermons Englished by W●lliam Gage pag. 97. fine Luther further saith therefore is Christ our Lorde that hee may make vs such as himself is as he cānot suffer himselfe to be t●de and bound ●y Lawes c so also ought not the cons●ie c● of a Christian to suffer them And in hi● said sermons pag. 261. circa med he doth ad●on s● that we obey the C●v●ll Magistrate f●r saith he there commeth no losse of Christ●an libertie or faith thereby for forsomuch as they do● not contend that those things are necessarie to salvat●on which they ordaine c. howbeit if any should contende that those comma●ndem nts of the Civill Mag●s●rate be necessarie to salvation as doubtlesse they be in regard that they binde vs in ●ons●i●nce and to breake them were sinne then as it is saide of the trad●t●ons of the Pap●sts the ●otrari● rather were to be done And M. Whitaker doubteth not to maintaine this doct●in●o Luther teaching vs obedience of policie rather then conscience For whereas Luther is ●h●●●d to say absurdly Christiani liberi sunt a statutis hominum M. W●●taker expl●neth and de●end●th the samesaying liberi Christiani s●nt non vt n●llis legi●u obtemperent 〈◊〉 ●que semp●r v●●●n● s ● vd conscientia mentesque sua● legum human●rum relig●one liberat●●s●e ●n●●ll●gant W ita ●r ●●●●ss ad ●ati●nes Campiant rat 8. pag. 154. circa medium And s●e this l●k●●octrine in Danau in prima partes a●tera ●arte co●tra Bel arm●n●m pag. 1127 assertion t at the Civill Magistrates Lawes made of things lawfull or indifferent doe binde vs even in cons●●ence And frō this sured ground-worke proceedeth likewise that reverend and religious respect of loue and duetie wherewith we doe admire your royall Maiestie and hence lastlie it is that we do as now in most humble remonstrance and test●monie of our Loyaltie acknowledge and recognize even with vnspeakeable ioy to our selues and all due thankefu●nes therefore to ●od that your HIGHNES is our true vndoubted lawfull Soveraigne Lord King in whom is fulfilled the succe●full and blessed event of a most graue and pr●dent (*) In regard ●●d ●o●e●ight of this which ●ow is h● pely con●ne to passe K. Henrie 7. e●●owsed his eldest ●●ugh●● to Iam●s King of S●o●la●● Anno 1502. foresight and we thereby enriched with the most happie vnion of our long devided continent by whom only also and no other our dearest count●ie may enioy her established and sweetest ●eace avoiding so that dreadfull confusion and turbulencie of state which otherwise our former feares haue of long imagined and vnto whom only