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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
tradition_n	holy_a	know_v	scripture_n	1,758	5	5.8907	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A17976	Iurisdiction regall, episcopall, papall Wherein is declared how the Pope hath intruded vpon the iurisdiction of temporall princes, and of the Church. The intrusion is discouered, and the peculiar and distinct iurisdiction to each properly belonging, recouered. Written by George Carleton.	Carleton, George, 1559-1628.	1610 (1610)	STC 4637; ESTC S107555	241,651	329

alijs Episcopis sunt terminandae And to proue that scandalous men of the Clargie should not be punished or examined by Lay-men this reason is often repeated in diuers Epistles that if since the Apostles times that course had beene taken to punish such then few or none should now haue beene left aliue in the Clargie which is a secret confession that all the Clargie of the Court of Rome were at this time of euill and scandalous life and conuersation Marcellus as writing to Maxentius the tyrant is produced to say thus Synodum absque huius sanctae sedis authoritate Episcoporum quanquam quosdam Episcopos possitis congr●…gare nonpotestis regulariter facere neque vllum Episcopum qui hanc appellauerit apostolicam sedem damnare autequā hinc sententia defintiua proccdat These and such like are their grounds of Iurisdiction which need no refutation for absurdities carie alwayes their owne bane in themselues this is refutation ynough for such things to make those things well knowen 9. These testimonies for Iurisdiction drawen from these forged Epistles may giue vs occasion to obserue First that the Bishops of Rome haue long greedily gaped after this Iurisdiction to obtain their purpose herein haue made no bones at forgerie As first they attempted that forgerie of a Canon of the Nicen Councellin Saint Augustines time but were then repressed so the diuell to bring them to greater shame mooued them afterward to greater forgerie in deuising so many decretall Epistles to establish this Iurisdiction by this shamelesse attempt which by other direct meanes they could not doe Seconly so greedily are they set vpon this purpose as men blinded with affection that they consider neither manner nor matter nor coherence onely the impotent loue to this Iurisdiction carrieth them through thicke and thin as in many things may be obserued I obserue onely that which toucheth our question for in these Epistles this Iurisdictiō of the Church of Rome and appellation to that Church is maintained as from the institution of Christ himselfe out of these words Tues Petrus c. Now these Epistles must be supposed to be written long before Saint Augustines time when Zoz●…mus Boniface and Caelestinus claimed the same Iurisdiction by the forged Canon of the Nicen Councell for before those times these Bishops liued who are deuised the authors of these Epistles If these Epistles had then beene extant why did not the Popes claime their Iurisdiction by these testimonies which were supposed to be written so long before the Canons of the Nicen Councell What needed they to haue forged a Canon if they had so faire euidences to shew And why did they claime it by a Canon of the Councell when they might haue laid their claime directly from the commaundement of Christ 10. But if these Epistles were not then extant as certainely they were not why should any credit bee giuen to things so manifestly forged Why should any claime be made to Iurisdiction vpon such false grounds Thirdly we obserue also the cursed obstinacie and affected blindnesse of the learned Papists Bellarmine and such who know well that these Epistles are forged and confesse it knowing that this Iurisdiction of the Pope was neuer claimed iure diuino as from Christs owne institution before these Epistles by forgerie inuented that claime are so bewitched in the seruice of the Pope and in this question of Iurisdiction that against learning iudgement conscience all they hold this Iurisdiction to be iure diuino in the grossest sort maintaine it no otherwise then these confessed forgeries haue taught them by those deprauations corruptions and detortions of Scriptures Tues Petrus and such like An indifferent man would thinke that either they should not confesse these forgeries or confessing them they should hate and abhorre these grounds of Iurisdiction which onely the forged Epistles haue deuised from Scripture Fourthly by this we may looke a little farther into the deepenesse of Satan and behold how the Popes Clarkes lie plunging for Iurisdiction 11. For the Councell of Trent being awaked at the preaching of Master Luther and other and finding that the corruptions which were brought into the doctrines of the Court of Rome could not bee mainteined by Scriptures being directly repugnant thereto deuised a very foule shift to maintaine all by vnwritten traditions And for this purpose enacted a Canon that the traditions of the Church of Rome must be honoured and imbraced with the like honour and reuerence as the holy Scriptures are honoured Therefore they deuise the word of God to be either written in Scriptures or vnwritten in Traditions which vnwritten Traditions they reuerence for Gods word no lesse then the holy Scriptures themselues And if you aske how shall men trie true Traditions they aunswere there is no better triall then the iudgement of the Church of Rome Ex tcstimonio huius solius Ecclesiae sumi potest certum argumentum ad probandas Apostolicas Traditiones By these principles if they might once haue them graunted they thinke themselues able to conclude any thing to delude the holy Scriptures and to set vp prophane and Barbarous forgeries in place of holy Scriptures For if wee denie this pretended Iurisdiction they will aunswere that it is grounded vpon the word of God if we demaund what word they haue for it They tell vs Tu es Petrus c. and such like If wee say the sense and meaning of those Scriptures doe no way maintaine that Iurisdiction the auncient Fathers neuer expounded them so that that sense was neuer drawen from these Scriptures before these forged decretall Epistles deuised it To this they will say they take that sense of Scriptures which the Church of Rome taketh and the Pope who onely hath authoritie to giue the sense of Scriptures The summe and conclusion of all is this the Traditions of the Church of Rome are to be honoured and reuerenced with the same honour as the holy Scripture but these filthy forged and corrupt Epistles containe the Traditions yea are the Traditions of the Church of Rome therefore these filthy forgeries of corrupt men are to be honoured and reuerenced as the holy Scriptures 12. Now though some men vnlearned may be caried away with this vaine shew of Traditions yet wee see not how their learned men can plead ignorance or excuse who know that those expositions of these Scriptures were first forged in the decretall Epistles these be their Apostolicall Traditions these be matched with holy Scriptures I appeale to the conscience of any Papist that either is or would bee esteemed learned whether these Epistles be not forged in his iudgement And whether the ground of their Iurisdiction be not hence drawen And whether this Iurisdiction which in these Epistles is maintained concerning appellation was not repressed and vtterly denied by Saint Augustine and the rest of those auncients in the Cartheginian Affrican and Mileuitan Councels Perhaps it is not hard for a

place to Gregory the third who succeeded him This Pope as soone as euer he was chosen by the consent of the Romane Clergy depriued Leo the third Emperour from the Empire and from the communion of the faithfull for the same cause to wit for defacing Images which were set vp in Churches to be worshipped This was the ground of the Popes proceeding against the Emperour which is to be obserued By this wee see the state of Rome cleane changed for whereas the Emperours at the first were persecutours and the Bishops of Rome were such as suffered for righteousnesse Now had they changed places for the Popes were become persecutours and the Emperours were such as suffered for righteousnesse For what was the Emperour Leo his fault in breaking downe and defacing Images after that hee found that diuine worship was exhibited to them other then that so much commended zeale of Ezekias in breaking downe the brasen Serpent so that if we looke vpon this fact of the Emperour which was the occasion why the Popes so proceeded against him there can nothing appeare but the Popes persecution and the Emperours suffering for righteousnesse Pope Gregory the third after this called a Synod in Rome wherein the worship of Images was established and all excommunicated that held the contrary All Italy saith Onuphrius fell away from the obedience of Leo the Emperour with the City of Rome and other Westerne parts of the Empire which were before subiect to the Emperour excepting Sicily and a part of Liguria and a little corner of Calabria All this the Emperour lost at once by the practise of Popes 99. Now because wee consider these beginnings of the Popes persecutions for he began with the Emperour whom thus he driued out of Italy putting him from all gouernment in Rome and after tooke vp his place and gouernement let vs heere remember an auncient tradition of the auncient Fathers who wrote before these times with freedom For they are al resolued vpon this as vpon an Apostolicall tradition that Antichrist must driue the Emperour out of the gouernement of Rome and Italy and take vp his place and seate Tertullian doth often repeate this sentence Romanus status cedet Antichristo That is The Romane Empire must giue place to Antichrist And in another place he saith Qui nunc tenet teneat donec de medio fiat Quis nisi Romanus status That is Hee that now with-holdeth shall with-hold till he be taken out of the way Who is that the Romane Empire And vpon those words of the Apostle He that now with-holdeth shall with-hold vntill he be taken away The auncient Fathers writing doe with an admirable consent agree vpon this that the thing which the Apostle saith did with-hold and should with-hold for a time was the Romane Empire For the Empire of Antichrist must be raised vp in the same place where that Empire stood that is in Rome And therefore Hierome writing of those wordes of the Apostle except there come a departing first that that man be disclosed saith Nisi venerit discessio primum vt omnes gentes quae Romano Imperio subiacent recedant abeis That is Vnlesse a departing first come that all the Nations which now are subiect to the Empire of Rome may depart from that subiection Therefore he saith that the Apostle left this tradition which he thought not good to commit to writing Remember you not that when I was with you I tolde you of these things saith the Apostle If any man aske why the Apostle thought good rather to commit this thing to their memory then to writing to this the same Author Saint Hierome aunswereth in the same place Si apertè audacterque dixisset non veniet Antichristus nisi prius Romanum deleatur Imperium iusta causa persecutionis in orientem tunc Ecclesiam consurgere videbatur That is If Saint Paul had said plainly and boldly Antichrist shall not come vnlesse the Romane Empire be first destroyed this might haue ministred a iust cause of persecution to the Church then rising Then the Apostle would not speake this thing directly for feare of drawing a persecution vpon the Church but committed it to their memories Remember you not that when I was yet with you I told you If any man demaund this question why then doe you admit some Apostolicall traditions I answer 100. Let these two limitations be remembred and then I know not why Apostolicall traditions may not bee admitted First it must haue an euident ground in the Scripture Secondly it must haue the consenting testimonie of auncient Fathers confirming it to be an Apostolicall tradition These two conditions are both kept in this particular which now I speake of and in the baptising of Infants But to take a tradition from the bare testimony of any Church without a ground of Scripture and the testimonie of the ancient Fathers bearing witnesse that it was an Apostolicall tradition this wee vtterly refuse as vnwarrantable Concerning this particular the rest of the Fathers yeeld the like consent to these Ambrose saith Non prius veniet Antichristus quam Regni Romani fiat defectio Augustine saith Quidam putant hec de Imperio dictum fuisse Romano proptereà Paulum Apostolum non ●…d aperte scribere voluisse ne calumniam videlicet incurreret quasi Romano Imperiomalè optauerit And in the same place Tantum qui modo tenet teneat donec de medio tollatur non absurdè de ipso Romano Imperio creditur Another of the auncients saith thus Vt qui tenet nunc teneat donec de medio fiat Donec Regnum quod nunc tenet de medio auferatur priusquam Antichristus reueletur Iohn Chrysostome and Oecumenius summing his words say thns writing vpon that Scripture 2. Thess. 2. Solum est qui modo retinet Thronus videlicet Regnum Romanorum quodnunc impedimento est donec cesset finemque accipiat ●…uncreuelabitur iniquus ille hoc est Antichristus Vbi enim Imperium Rom. fuerit dissolutum tunc Antichristus rebellione irruet ac obtinere conabitur non hominum solum verum Dei Imperium Romanorum autem Imperium ipse Antichristus perfectè abolebit Quemadmodum 〈◊〉 Medorum Imperium à Babylonijs dissolutum est Babyloniorum à Persis Persarum quoque à Macedonibus Macedonum a Romanis it a Romanorum ab Antichristo Antichristi à Domino nostro That thing which withholdeth is the Romane Empire which now stayeth the matter till it cease and come to an end Then shall that wicked man be reuealed that is Antichrist For when the Romane Empire shall be destroyed then shall Antichrist by rebellion inuade and shall seeke to draw to himselfe not onely the power of men but of God also And Antichrist shall vtterly make an end of the Romane Empire For as the Empire of the Medes was destroyed by the Babylonians and that of the Babylonians by the