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A79503 Moderate message to Quakers, seekers and Socinians, by a friend and well-wisher to them all, or Some arguments offered to clear up three points in difference betwixt them and others ... By John Child. Child, John, 1638?-1684. 1676 (1676) Wing C3850; ESTC R171309 24,333 83

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A MODERATE MESSAGE TO QUAKERS SEEKERS AND SOCINIANS By a FRIEND And Well-wisher to them all OR Some Arguments offered to clear up three points in difference betwixt them and others viz. the Baptism with Water the Right of Administration in this Age and the Preexistancy of the Son of God to his being conceived of the Virgin By JOHN CHILD Job 32.9 10. Great men are not always wise neither do the aged understand judgment therefore I also will shew my opinion 1 Cor. 4.5 Judge nothing before the time Printed in the Year 1676. A Moderate Message to Quakers Seekers and Socinians by a Friend and Well-wisher to them all c. IT is the common understanding of the Professors of this Age that the Quakers so called do deny that Baptism with water is now a duty incumbent upon Christians and that the Seekers so called do deny that any persons have a right in this Age to Administer it although they do grant it to be a duty and also that the Socinians so call'd do deny that the Son of God out blessed Saviour called Jesus Christ had a Being or Existency before he was conceived of the Virgin Now although my tenderness and respect towards them all is not small it being the natural Issue and ●es●●ts of my Principles w●o profess my self a Latitude man ●o lov● all mankind more especially those tha●●ppear to be in their way sincer● Professors of Religion yet I must crave leave for Truths sake though never so small to shew mine opinion to this end that we might arive at such an Oneness as at least to maintain some amicable correspondency one with another in order to a conviction by cool and sedate Debates without Exasperation and Railery things undoubtedly hatcht in Hell which never sprang from Michael who though Disputing with the Devil the greatest Heretick in the Creation yet durst not bring Railing accusations against him but said The Lord Rebuke thee I do therefore coolly and kindly say to all the three Sects of Men before mentioned that I humbly conceive in the three points stated that they are out of the way and besides the Truth and that Baptism with Water is now a Duty incumbent upon Christians that there is some even in this Age have a right to Administer the same and that the Son of God our Blessed Lord and Saviour had a Preexistency to the Virgins conception for the clearing up of which we offer these following Arguments relating to each point in its Order Baptism with water in force to this day proved as followeth Arg. 1 That Administration that was given from Heaven as a Duty in common to the Penitent or commers to Christ since the Ministration of Moses is in force still even to this day Major But Baptism with water was an Administration given from Heaven as a duty in common to the Penitent or commers to Christ since the Ministration of Moses Ergo Minor It is in force still This Argument as a fruitful Root yields us these five proper and useful branches viz. 1. That Baptism with Water was a Ministration from Heaven 2. That it was a Duty 3. That it was a duty in common to the Penitent or commers to Christ 4. That it was since the Ministration of Moses 5. That it is in force still the proof of which I think establishes the Argument in all the parts of it And first That it was from Heaven we thus prove Arg. 2 If Baptism with water was not from Heaven Major then it was of Men or else John did administer it of his own head Minor But it was not from Men neither did John administer it of his own head Ergo It was from Heaven Arg. 3 That it was not of Men we thus prove Major If the Ministration of water Baptism was of Men and not from Heaven then there was some Author of it before John Baptist from whom he received it But there was no Author of it before John from whom he received it Minor Ergo it was not from men Arg. 4 The Major is good the Minor we prove thus If there was some Author or beginner of this Ministration before John from whom he received it then it is somewhere plainly and convincingly discovered But It is no where plainly and convincingly discovered Ergo it was not so And that it was not of his own head We thus prove Arg. 5 If it was of his own head then it was a bare Invention and Tradition of man Major But It was not a bare Invention and Tradition of man Ergo Minor it was not of his own head Arg. 6 That it was not a bare Invention and Tradition of man we thus prove Major That which our Saviour Christ submitted to as part of his work was no Invention or Tradition of men Minor But our blessed Savior did himself submit to Johns Baptisme Ergo It was no Invention of Tradition of men The Minor is ungainsayable The Major we prove thus Arg. 7 If our Saviour had submitted to the Invention and Tradition of men Major then he had undervalued his own Authority and opened a door for an Innovation in Religion Minor But our Saviour did do neither of these Ergo. And that it was neither of his own head nor from men but indeed from Heaven we thus prove Arg. 8 That which was Righteousness to submit to Major and Sin and Rebellion to reject undoubtedly was from Heaven for nothing but the Authority of Heaven can constitute these two things viz. Sin and Righteousness Minor But it was Righteousness to submit wickedness and Rebellion to reject Johns Baptisme Ergo it was from Heaven The Major none will deny the Minor is p●oved from plain Scripture Mat. 3.15 Jesus said unto John suffer it to be so now for thus it becometh us to fulfill all Righteousness The Scribes and Pharises Rejected the Councel of God against themselves ☜ in not being Baptized of John Arg. 9 If God himself sent John to Baptize then John's baptisme was from Heaven Major But God himself sent John to Baptize Minor Ergo his Baptisme was from Heaven The Major can live without begging and the Minor bares up it self upon this immoveable Pillar Jo. 1.6.33 John 1.6 v. 33. John saith God sent him to Baptize with water from whence we pass to the Second part of the Argument viz. that it is a duty for the proof of which we need do no more but borrow something from the eight Argument already laid down and that is this Arg. 10 That which men were charged with sin for the neglect of Major was doubtless a duty to perform Minor But men were charged with sin for the neglect of water baptisme Ergo it was their duty to perform they rejected the Councel of God c. In not being Baptiz●d of John And that it was a duty in common to the Penitent or comers to Christ