Selected quad for the lemma: tradition_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
tradition_n	faith_n	receive_v	scripture_n	3,204	5	6.0081	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A77490	The unlavvfulnesse and danger of limited episcopacie· VVhereunto is subioyned a short reply to the modest advertiser and calme examinator of that treatise. As also the question of episcopacie discussed from Scripture and fathers. / By Robert Bailly pastor of Killwunning in Scotland.	Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.	1641 (1641)	Wing B470; Thomason E174_4; ESTC R11030	25,095	50

possible_a a_o number_n of_o clear_a and_o strong_a probation_n for_o to_o convince_v the_o mind_n of_o all_o attentive_a reader_n again_o you_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o principle_n may_v be_v grant_v why_o do_v you_o mutter_v betwixt_o your_o tooth_n speak_v out_o clear_o and_o plain_o for_o if_o you_o grant_v it_o your_o cause_n be_v lose_v if_o you_o deny_v it_o your_o next_o will_v be_v to_o answer_v the_o numerous_a argument_n wherewith_o it_o be_v compass_v not_o any_o one_o whereof_o you_o be_v bold_a to_o try_v in_o the_o three_o place_n that_o you_o may_v leave_v a_o postern_n for_o escape_v the_o author_n clear_a and_o plain_a principle_n that_o no_o office_n be_v lawful_a in_o god_n house_n which_o christ_n have_v not_o appoint_v you_o transform_v in_o a_o other_o mould_n to_o wit_n that_o none_o may_v administer_v the_o word_n or_o sacrament_n impose_v hand_n or_o use_v the_o key_n but_o such_o as_o christ_n have_v appoint_v when_o thus_o you_o have_v take_v leave_n to_o corrupt_v not_o the_o word_n only_o but_o the_o matter_n of_o your_o adversary_n very_a principle_n unlawful_a episcopal_a court_n acknowledge_v to_o be_v unlawful_a notwithstanding_o you_o see_v the_o conclusion_n that_o flow_v from_o your_o own_o proposition_n to_o wit_n that_o your_o high_a commissioner_n your_o chancellor_n and_o all_o the_o rabble_n of_o your_o official_a courtier_n do_v meddle_v with_o church_n censure_v contrary_a to_o christ_n appointment_n this_o you_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o bear_v we_o in_o hand_n that_o these_o corruption_n may_v be_v amend_v without_o noise_n or_o scandal_n it_o be_v good_a that_o your_o friend_n in_o the_o convocation_n will_v preveen_v the_o honourable_a house_n of_o commons_o that_o at_o last_o they_o will_v offer_v of_o free_a accord_n to_o pass_v from_o these_o long_o defend_v oppress_v court_n before_o with_o great_a noise_n and_o shame_n they_o be_v compel_v to_o render_v to_o the_o presbytery_n these_o rite_n whereof_o too_o long_o it_o have_v be_v disposs_v by_o your_o bishop_n fraud_n and_o force_n when_o you_o have_v break_v in_o unreasonable_o upon_o the_o hypothese_n of_o episcopacy_n how_o marvellous_o do_v you_o shift_v and_o extenuate_v the_o question_n the_o author_n principle_n do_v speak_v express_o and_o sole_o of_o a_o distinct_a office_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n you_o dare_v not_o say_v whether_o episcopacy_n be_v any_o such_o thing_n or_o not_o all_z the_o distinction_n betwixt_o a_o bishop_n and_o a_o presbyter_n that_o you_o speak_v of_o be_v a_o high_a and_o low_a degree_n as_o it_o be_v of_o the_o same_o office_n your_o brethren_n will_v give_v you_o small_a thanks_o for_o this_o extenuation_n for_o you_o know_v they_o maintain_v episcopacy_n to_o be_v a_o true_a and_o distinct_a office_n from_o the_o priesthood_n unto_o the_o which_o beside_o a_o superiority_n of_o degree_n the_o distinct_a faculty_n or_o power_n of_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n essential_o do_v belong_v wherewith_o simple_a priest_n qua_fw-la tale_n have_v nought_o at_o all_o to_o do_v beside_o the_o author_n principle_n and_o the_o probation_n thereof_o conclude_v all_o that_o you_o here_o do_v require_v for_o they_o infer_v the_o unlawfulnesse_n of_o any_o majoritie_n of_o one_o church_n officer_n over_o another_o without_o christ_n appointment_n from_o so_o clear_a text_n of_o scripture_n and_o so_o sound_a ground_n of_o uncontroverted_a divinity_n as_o you_o find_v not_o yourself_o dispose_v to_o answer_v any_o one_o of_o they_o while_o as_o you_o require_v proof_n in_o that_o place_n for_o all_o the_o other_o part_n of_o our_o discipline_n you_o be_v unreasonable_a when_o you_o have_v give_v satisfactory_a answer_n to_o all_o that_o be_v bring_v in_o the_o head_n of_o episcopacy_n it_o will_v be_v then_o time_n and_o no_o soon_o to_o proceed_v unto_o other_o article_n which_o so_o long_o as_o episcopacy_n stand_v be_v needless_a to_o be_v speak_v of_o in_o your_o contrary_a argumentation_n you_o undertake_v to_o prove_v a_o very_a strange_a conclusion_n vanity_n your_o great_a word_n extol_v episcopacy_n be_v full_a of_o vanity_n that_o the_o order_n of_o bishop_n be_v no_o less_o apostolical_a than_o the_o very_a creed_n and_o to_o be_v receive_v with_o no_o less_o faith_n than_o the_o very_a scripture_n yea_o with_o much_o more_o as_o it_o seem_v you_o import_n for_o you_o equal_v the_o scripture_n and_o bishop_n in_o this_o that_o both_o be_v alike_o universal_a and_o unquestioned_a tradition_n but_o in_o this_o you_o seem_v to_o give_v bishop_n a_o sure_a ground_n than_o you_o grant_v to_o scripture_n for_o the_o ground_n whereupon_o you_o here_o and_o many_o of_o your_o fellow_n elsewhere_o embrace_v the_o scripture_n be_v sole_a tradition_n but_o the_o ground_n whereupon_o you_o receive_v the_o order_n of_o bishop_n be_v not_o sole_a tradition_n but_o sundry_a passage_n of_o scripture_n also_o as_o you_o allege_v this_o your_o mighty_a conclusion_n you_o prove_v not_o by_o any_o argument_n but_o only_o by_o a_o number_n of_o big_a word_n borrow_v from_o the_o papist_n in_o this_o same_o and_o many_o more_o subject_n you_o tell_v we_o that_o many_o scripture_n be_v allege_v for_o episcopacy_n and_o that_o these_o scripture_n be_v expon_v in_o your_o sense_n by_o all_o the_o father_n yea_o by_o all_o writer_n for_o fifteen_o hundred_o year_n i_o hope_v that_o yourself_o will_v find_v it_o reason_n that_o we_o be_v permit_v to_o take_v your_o great_a word_n for_o nought_o but_o vain_a echo_n in_o the_o air_n while_o you_o be_v please_v to_o produce_v at_o least_o some_o one_o scripture_n some_o one_o father_n some_o one_o writer_n which_o here_o you_o have_v not_o do_v also_o while_o you_o will_v have_v we_o take_v it_o on_o your_o naked_a word_n that_o all_o time_n all_o place_n all_o person_n be_v for_o bishop_n and_o that_o for_o such_o bishop_n as_o you_o here_o express_o describe_v to_o who_o alone_o it_o belong_v to_o rule_v as_o it_o be_v proper_a for_o the_o inferior_a presbyter_n to_o be_v rule_v suffer_v we_o to_o say_v that_o you_o be_v great_o mistake_v till_o we_o have_v hear_v some_o one_o of_o your_o proof_n your_o patience_n will_v here_o i_o hope_v be_v the_o great_a when_o you_o read_v in_o the_o subsequent_a write_v for_o this_o our_o contradiction_n more_o scripture_n and_o father_n than_o you_o in_o haste_n be_v like_o satisfactory_o to_o answer_v discuss_v the_o question_n of_o episcopacy_n discuss_v in_o that_o same_o short_a write_v you_o will_v see_v all_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o most_o pregnant_a passage_n of_o antiquity_n which_o the_o best_a learned_a on_o your_o side_n be_v accustom_v to_o produce_v answer_v by_o the_o ancient_n themselves_o so_o clear_o that_o while_o you_o give_v some_o evidence_n to_o the_o contrary_a indifferent_a man_n will_v pronounce_v that_o we_o have_v but_o too_o good_a reason_n to_o avow_v episcopacy_n as_o yourself_o in_o the_o same_o place_n describe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o plant_n which_o god_n never_o set_v in_o his_o garden_n to_o be_v a_o mere_a stranger_n to_o the_o ancient_a church_n for_o some_o hundred_o year_n and_o ever_o while_o the_o pope_n have_v usurp_v main_o by_o the_o help_n of_o his_o episcopal_a jurisdiction_n many_o antichristian_a privilege_n your_o consequence_n beside_o the_o palpable_a error_n of_o your_o antecedent_n be_v weak_a vicious_a and_o inconsequent_a though_o your_o episcopacy_n be_v a_o antichristian_a error_n yet_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o all_o people_n who_o be_v subject_a to_o it_o must_v be_v condemn_v as_o antichristian_a and_o false_a worshipper_n of_o god_n for_o you_o know_v that_o one_o fault_n and_o one_o quality_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o put_v on_o the_o subject_a a_o absolute_a denomination_n what_o you_o add_v of_o the_o fountain_n and_o original_n of_o presbytery_n it_o show_v if_o not_o your_o ignorance_n yet_o your_o great_a forgetfulness_n not_o only_o what_o cyprian_a and_o other_o of_o the_o ancient_n have_v write_v of_o the_o presbytery_n in_o their_o time_n but_o also_o what_o yourself_o within_o a_o few_o page_n do_v write_v of_o presbytery_n which_o you_o can_v admit_v though_o with_o a_o episcopal_a moderator_n this_o be_v the_o matter_n of_o your_o first_o six_o page_n nought_o to_o the_o author_n first_o argument_n the_o answer_n be_v popish_a and_o nought_o upon_o the_o author_n principle_n when_o you_o come_v to_o his_o argument_n your_o answer_n be_v short_a but_o nothing_o better_a the_o first_o argument_n that_o these_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o of_o purpose_n and_o most_o punctual_o set_v down_o the_o office_n of_o god_n house_n especial_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o epistle_n to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n speak_v not_o at_o all_o of_o your_o bishop_n you_o first_o deny_v the_o argument_n albeit_o in_o your_o denial_n you_o be_v so_o rational_a as_o neither_o to_o give_v any_o reason_n

for_o what_o you_o say_v nor_o to_o answer_v any_o of_o the_o proof_n whereby_o the_o author_n confirm_v his_o assertion_n than_o you_o deny_v the_o ground_n whereupon_o the_o argument_n be_v build_v the_o principle_n which_o before_o in_o the_o proper_a place_n you_o dare_v not_o deny_v but_o rather_o do_v insinuate_v your_o grant_n of_o it_o however_o the_o author_n probation_n of_o that_o principle_n stand_v as_o yet_o untouched_a while_o you_o tell_v we_o here_o that_o tradition_n be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o episcopacy_n though_o scripture_n be_v lack_v you_o but_o join_v with_o your_o brethren_n the_o canterburian_o who_o upon_o this_o ground_n press_v upon_o we_o already_o their_o altar_n cross_n image_n the_o primacy_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o much_o more_o and_o show_v their_o mind_n by_o this_o door_n to_o let_v in_o upon_o we_o the_o whole_a flood_n of_o antichristian_a abomination_n when_o they_o find_v their_o season_n especial_o as_o yourself_o here_o do_v profess_v any_o matter_n of_o practice_n of_o discipline_n of_o government_n this_o your_o popish_a error_n of_o tradition_n be_v a_o very_a general_n and_o catholic_a one_o which_o shake_v not_o one_o or_o two_o but_o all_o the_o ground-stone_n of_o protestant_a reformation_n the_o author_n second_o argument_n be_v toy_n the_o second_o you_o answer_v by_o a_o nonsense_n and_o childish_a toy_n that_o no_o inferior_a officer_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n carry_v the_o name_n of_o any_o superior_a but_o so_o it_o be_v that_o a_o presbyter_n every_o where_o carry_v the_o name_n of_o a_o bishop_n therefore_o a_o presbyter_n be_v not_o a_o inferior_a officer_n to_o a_o bishop_n what_o here_o you_o bring_v be_v so_o far_o from_o the_o show_n of_o any_o answer_n that_o it_o be_v like_o you_o have_v not_o conceive_v the_o drift_n of_o the_o argument_n only_o the_o non_fw-fr sense_n of_o your_o reply_n be_v compense_v with_o your_o extraordinary_a quickness_n to_o take_v your_o adversary_n twice_o in_o his_o own_o argument_n in_o his_o own_o net_n first_o you_o will_v put_v he_o to_o a_o non_fw-la plus_fw-la by_o a_o interrogatory_n where_o then_o be_v rule_v elder_n by_o their_o name_n distinguish_v you_o have_v read_v i_o believe_v the_o 1._o timothy_n 5.17_o there_o you_o may_v see_v roll_a elder_n by_o their_o name_n and_o surname_n clear_o distinguish_v from_o preacher_n of_o the_o word_n you_o know_v also_o that_o there_o be_v a_o number_n of_o passage_n of_o the_o father_n for_o these_o roll_a elder_n in_o the_o book_n of_o gersombucerus_n which_o the_o bold_a of_o your_o party_n for_o all_o their_o big_a word_n and_o exclamation_n in_o the_o ear_n of_o silly_a people_n dare_v never_o yet_o after_o twenty_o two_o year_n advisement_n so_o much_o as_o offer_v to_o answer_v thereafter_o you_o triumph_v as_o if_o you_o have_v draw_v from_o your_o adversary_n own_o pen_n by_o a_o ocular_a demonstration_n the_o full_a proof_n of_o your_o whole_a conclusion_n the_o superiority_n of_o a_o bishop_n to_o a_o presbyter_n by_o divine_a right_n because_o forsooth_o the_o author_n say_v that_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n which_o be_v all_o one_o be_v make_v by_o the_o apostle_n superior_a to_o a_o presbyter_n we_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o any_o man_n of_o the_o least_o acquaintance_n with_o these_o controversy_n have_v be_v ignorant_a of_o that_o common_a and_o trivial_a homonomie_n of_o the_o word_n presbyter_n and_o elder_a sometime_o take_v for_o a_o preach_v elder_a sometime_o for_o a_o roll_a elder_n and_o sometime_o for_o both_o the_o author_n with_o the_o scripture_n make_v a_o pastor_n a_o bishop_n a_o preach_a elder_n to_o be_v altogether_o one_o and_o in_o nothing_o to_o differ_v but_o as_o three_o synonimous_a name_n of_o one_o and_o the_o same_o officer_n which_o by_o divine_a right_n be_v indeed_o superior_a to_o a_o roll_a elder_n or_o presbyter_n this_o no_o man_n ever_o do_v question_n but_o no_o way_n superior_a to_o a_o preach_v elder_a of_o who_o alone_o be_v all_o the_o present_a question_n the_o author_n three_o and_o four_o argument_n confirm_v strong_o by_o a_o number_n of_o pregnant_a scripture_n be_v all_o utter_o misspend_v appear_v to_o the_o three_o and_o four_o argument_n no_o syllable_n of_o answer_n appear_v and_o not_o one_o word_n of_o answer_n make_v to_o either_o of_o they_o his_o five_o argument_n grant_v the_o five_o be_v in_o show_v grant_v that_o by_o christ_n institution_n &_o the_o constant_a practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o power_n of_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n be_v never_o commit_v to_o one_o bishop_n but_o ever_o to_o a_o number_n of_o preacher_n and_o other_o as_o be_v clear_v by_o a_o multitude_n of_o manifest_a scripture_n this_o you_o can_v deny_v yet_o your_o heart_n will_v not_o permit_v you_o free_o to_o grant_v it_o you_o be_v content_a that_o in_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n bishop_n shall_v be_v assist_v by_o presbyter_n but_o the_o argument_n infer_v much_o more_o to_o wit_n that_o your_o bishop_n in_o usurp_a to_o themselves_o the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n &_o transfer_v of_o it_o to_o their_o carnal_a court_n that_o their_o assume_v by_o virtue_n of_o their_o office_n the_o power_n of_o ordination_n though_o for_o the_o form_n they_o admit_v some_o presbyter_n to_o be_v their_o assistant_n in_o give_v of_o order_n that_o both_o these_o faculty_n which_o make_v not_o the_o abuse_n but_o the_o two_o main_a limb_n and_o integrall_a part_n of_o the_o office_n itself_o be_v wicked_a practice_n against_o christ_n ordinance_n not_o to_o be_v reform_v but_o present_o abolish_v with_o a_o great_a remorse_n that_o with_o a_o high_a hand_n for_o so_o long_a a_o time_n these_o tyrannous_a usurpation_n have_v be_v maintain_v the_o sixth_o argument_n be_v from_o the_o 22._o answer_v the_o sixth_o be_v absurd_o answer_v luke_n 25._o where_o christ_n forbid_v all_o pastor_n to_o accept_v any_o majority_n or_o pre-eminence_n over_o their_o brethren_n this_o the_o author_n prove_v from_o scripture_n reason_n and_o antiquity_n to_o evert_v the_o office_n of_o bishop_n all_o that_o you_o answer_v be_v that_o this_o place_n do_v not_o forbid_v the_o apostle_n to_o accept_v any_o degree_n of_o honour_n above_o their_o brethren_n wherein_o they_o may_v govern_v they_o for_o their_o profit_n it_o follow_v then_o that_o by_o this_o place_n bishop_n be_v not_o hinder_v to_o assume_v as_o great_a authority_n over_o the_o church_n as_o the_o great_a emperor_n ever_o have_v over_o the_o body_n or_o christ_n himself_o as_o you_o confess_v here_o over_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n have_v evince_v the_o unlawfulnesse_n of_o episcopacy_n itself_o by_o the_o former_a argument_n slight_v the_o author_n first_o reason_n against_o all_o limitation_n of_o episcopacy_n be_v but_o slight_v nothing_o enervate_a by_o all_o your_o opposition_n in_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o treatise_n the_o author_n reason_n against_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o least_o degree_n and_o best_a limitation_n of_o that_o evil_a his_o first_o argument_n be_v well_o confirm_v with_o scripture_n and_o reason_n you_o answer_v but_o to_o one_o piece_n cast_v by_o the_o first_o and_o strong_a part_n of_o it_o to_o wit_n all_o part_n all_o degree_n all_o mean_n all_o appearance_n of_o the_o discharge_v evil_a you_o have_v good_a reason_n to_o cut_v off_o all_o these_o portion_n from_o the_o argument_n for_o you_o see_v that_o your_o distinction_n be_v not_o applicable_a to_o these_o for_o you_o will_v be_v loath_a to_o deny_v that_o episcopacy_n howsoever_o limitate_v be_v some_o degree_n some_o part_n some_o mean_a some_o appearance_n not_o by_o accident_n but_o of_o its_o own_o nature_n of_o that_o episcopacy_n which_o now_o stand_v in_o england_n the_o part_n of_o the_o argument_n which_o you_o take_v in_o hand_n be_v not_o sufficient_o answer_v for_o you_o clear_v your_o distinction_n with_o no_o more_o than_o your_o own_o simple_a assertion_n that_o limit_a episcopacy_n be_v not_o in_o itself_o but_o alone_o by_o satan_n malice_n either_o a_o cause_n or_o a_o beginning_n or_o a_o provocation_n to_o episcopacy_n as_o now_o it_o stand_v sure_o that_o effect_n which_o have_v follow_v limit_v episcopacy_n in_o all_o place_n where_o ever_o it_o have_v dwell_v may_v not_o well_o be_v deny_v to_o be_v natural_a unto_o it_o however_o you_o dare_v not_o apply_v your_o distinction_n for_o it_o will_v sound_v harshlie_o in_o the_o ear_n of_o your_o neighbour_n that_o limit_a episcopacy_n shall_v be_v a_o beginning_n &_o a_o provocation_n by_o the_o malice_n and_o craft_n of_o the_o devil_n of_o that_o episcopacy_n which_o now_o in_o rome_n and_o england_n have_v place_n the_o author_n in_o the_o next_o place_n by_o clear_a scripture_n do_v prove_v grant_v the_o second_o be_v unwitting_o grant_v that_o the_o reformation_n of_o episcopacy_n must_v be_v take_v not_o from_o the_o time_n of_o the_o posteriour_a father_n but_o from_o