from_o page_n 478_o to_o page_n 496._o where_o also_o you_o may_v find_v they_o teach_v that_o the_o dominion_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n be_v equal_a to_o the_o dominion_n of_o her_o son_n that_o all_o power_n in_o heaven_n and_o earth_n be_v give_v to_o she_o that_o she_o be_v constitute_v over_o every_o creature_n and_o whosoever_o bow_v his_o knee_n unto_o jesus_n do_v fall_v down_o also_o and_o supplicate_v unto_o his_o mother_n so_o that_o the_o glory_n of_o the_o son_n may_v be_v judge_v not_o so_o much_o to_o be_v common_a with_o the_o mother_n ibid._n ibid._n as_o to_o be_v the_o very_a same_o that_o the_o mighty_a god_n do_v as_o far_o as_o he_o may_v make_v his_o mother_n partner_n of_o his_o divine_a majesty_n and_o power_n give_v unto_o she_o of_o old_a the_o sovereignty_n both_o of_o celestial_a thing_n and_o mortal_a 478_o p._n 478_o that_o in_o the_o redundance_n of_o effusion_n of_o grace_n upon_o the_o creature_n the_o lord_n power_n and_o will_n be_v so_o accommodate_v unto_o she_o that_o she_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v the_o first_o in_o that_o both_o diadem_n and_o tribunal_n 481._o p._n 481._o and_o that_o all_o thing_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o command_n of_o the_o virgin_n even_o god_n himself_o 482._o p._n 482._o they_o also_o teach_v that_o by_o sin_v after_o baptism_n man_n seem_v to_o have_v contemn_v and_o despise_v the_o passion_n of_o christ_n that_o so_o no_o sinner_n do_v deserve_v that_o christ_n shall_v any_o more_o make_v intercession_n for_o he_o to_o the_o father_n without_o who_o intercession_n none_o can_v be_v deliver_v either_o from_o eternal_a punishment_n or_o the_o temporal_a nor_o from_o the_o fault_n which_o he_o have_v voluntary_o commit_v and_o therefore_o that_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o christ_n shall_v constitute_v his_o well-beloved_a mother_n a_o mediatrix_fw-la betwixt_o we_o and_o he_o and_o so_o in_o this_o our_o pilgrimage_n there_o be_v no_o other_o refuge_n leave_v unto_o we_o in_o our_o tribulation_n and_o adversity_n but_o to_o have_v recourse_n unto_o the_o virgin_n mary_n our_o mediatrix_fw-la that_o she_o will_v appease_v the_o wrath_n of_o her_o son_n ibid._n ibid._n that_o as_o he_o be_v ascend_v into_o heaven_n to_o appear_v in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n for_o man_n heb._n 9.24_o so_o she_o ought_v to_o ascend_v thither_o to_o appear_v in_o the_o sight_n of_o her_o son_n for_o sinner_n that_o so_o mankind_n may_v have_v always_o before_o the_o face_n of_o god_n a_o help_n like_o unto_o christ_n for_o the_o procure_n of_o his_o salvation_n and_o that_o she_o be_v that_o throne_n of_o grace_n 484._o p._n 484._o whereof_o the_o apostle_n speck_v heb._n 4.16_o let_v we_o go_v bold_o unto_o the_o throne_n of_o grace_n that_o we_o may_v receive_v mercy_n and_o find_v grace_n to_o help_v in_o the_o time_n of_o need_n that_o she_o come_v before_o the_o throne_n of_o grace_n not_o entreat_v but_o command_v 486._o p._n 486._o in_o the_o psalter_n of_o our_o lady_n we_o have_v these_o address_n bless_a be_v they_o who_o heart_n do_v love_v thou_o 31._o ps_n 31._o o_o virgin_n mary_n their_o sin_n by_o thou_o shall_v be_v merciful_o wash_v away_o have_v mercy_n upon_o i_o o_o lady_n 50._o ps_n 50._o who_o be_v call_v the_o mother_n of_o mercy_n and_o according_a to_o the_o bowel_n of_o thy_o mercy_n cleanse_v i_o from_o all_o my_o iniquity_n save_v i_o lady_n by_o thy_o name_n 71._o ps_n 53._o ps_n 71._o and_o deliver_v i_o from_o my_o unrighteousness_n give_v the_o king_n thy_o judgement_n o_o god_n and_o thy_o mercy_n to_o the_o queen_n his_o mother_n oh_o come_v let_v we_o sing_v unto_o our_o lady_n psal_n ps_n .._o 94._o cant_n ad_fw-la virg._n m._n post_n psal_n let_v we_o make_v a_o joyful_a noise_n to_o marry_o our_o queen_n that_o bring_v salvation_n oh_o our_o omnipotent_a lady_n thou_o be_v my_o salvation_n thou_o have_v free_v i_o condemn_v to_o death_n thou_o be_v the_o beginning_n and_o the_o finisher_n of_o my_o salvation_n there_o you_o may_v find_v they_o teach_v that_o by_o she_o 357._o ps_n 118._o ps_n 41._o ps_n 136._o de_fw-fr arcan_a ca._n thol_a verit_fw-la l._n 7._o c._n 10._o white_a p._n 357._o sin_n be_v purge_v by_o she_o true_a satisfaction_n be_v make_v for_o sin_n the_o death_n and_o passion_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n say_v petrus_n galatinus_n conduce_v to_o the_o redemption_n of_o mankind_n the_o stellarium_fw-la coronae_fw-la beatae_fw-la mariae_fw-la say_v she_o buy_v we_o and_o as_o christ_n redeem_v mankind_n by_o his_o flesh_n and_o blood_n so_o she_o redeem_v the_o same_o with_o her_o soul_n these_o doctrine_n and_o many_o other_o of_o the_o same_o blasphemous_a stamp_n be_v teach_v and_o hold_v by_o many_o doctor_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n these_o book_n and_o doctrine_n be_v write_v and_o license_v by_o that_o church_n and_o so_o have_v catholic_n permission_n no_o censure_n ever_o pass_v upon_o they_o no_o expurgatory_n index_n have_v cleanse_v they_o from_o these_o horrid_a blasphemy_n but_o it_o be_v still_o leave_v free_a for_o any_o of_o the_o doctor_n of_o that_o communion_n to_o maintain_v and_o propagate_v they_o and_o for_o any_o of_o the_o member_n of_o that_o church_n to_o practice_v suitable_o to_o these_o conception_n to_o ascribe_v all_o this_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o all_o this_o virtue_n to_o her_o death_n to_o give_v she_o the_o praise_n of_o it_o and_o according_o to_o trust_v in_o she_o to_o pray_v unto_o she_o for_o the_o blessing_n she_o have_v purchase_v and_o for_o the_o distribution_n of_o those_o favour_n which_o natural_o do_v result_v from_o this_o advancement_n and_o when_o they_o address_v themselves_o unto_o she_o to_o use_v the_o most_o extravagant_a expression_n contain_v in_o the_o lady_n psalter_n and_o in_o other_o book_n of_o the_o like_a nature_n with_o it_o whence_o it_o will_v follow_v 1_o that_o any_o person_n who_o act_n according_a to_o these_o doctrine_n and_o put_v up_o these_o petition_n do_v not_o deviate_v from_o that_o tradition_n which_o the_o catholic_n conceive_v to_o be_v his_o only_a rule_n of_o faith_n id_fw-la est_fw-la a_o person_n may_v be_v guilty_a of_o horrid_a blasphemy_n and_o idolatry_n and_o notwithstanding_o be_v a_o good_a roman_n catholic_n 2._o it_o follow_v that_o no_o man_n ought_v to_o be_v condemn_v for_o writing_n or_o assert_v any_o of_o these_o tenet_n or_o for_o use_v any_o of_o the_o form_n contain_v in_o those_o book_n for_o oral_a tradition_n can_v be_v conceive_v to_o condemn_v what_o be_v allow_v and_o practise_v without_o censure_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 3._o hence_o evident_a it_o be_v that_o private_a catholic_n may_v unavoidable_o be_v subject_a to_o these_o evil_a practice_n for_o see_v in_o these_o matter_n they_o can_v have_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o must_v not_o be_v permit_v to_o act_v according_a to_o their_o private_a judgement_n what_o remain_v but_o that_o they_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o their_o priest_n which_o as_o we_o have_v see_v be_v often_o impious_a and_o blasphemous_a 4._o hence_o evident_a it_o be_v that_o neither_o these_o opinion_n nor_o practice_n can_v ever_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o to_o make_v the_o contrary_a tenet_n pass_v into_o tradition_n or_o to_o make_v they_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v to_o empower_v the_o church_n to_o coin_v new_a article_n and_o to_o pretend_v tradition_n where_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v have_v so_o that_o all_o these_o blesphemous_a and_o idolatrous_a devotion_n must_v be_v as_o lasting_a as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n second_o i_o have_v observe_v this_o method_n in_o my_o whole_a discourse_n 1._o to_o confirm_v the_o proposition_n which_o i_o have_v lay_v down_o by_o scripture_n and_o by_o reason_n and_o then_o to_o introduce_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o father_n whereas_o t._n g._n be_v very_o spare_v both_o as_o to_o scripture_n and_o reason_n and_o do_v endeavour_v to_o supply_v his_o want_n of_o reason_n and_o of_o scripture_n by_o some_o impertinent_a citation_n from_o the_o father_n this_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v a_o very_a weak_a and_o disingenuous_a way_n of_o argue_v for_o if_o the_o testimony_n of_o some_o few_o father_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o confirm_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n and_o to_o give_v we_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o any_o text_n of_o scripture_n he_o must_v confess_v that_o what_o he_o thus_o discourse_v be_v weak_a and_o infufficient_a to_o prove_v what_o he_o have_v undertake_v to_o demonstrate_v but_o if_o he_o shall_v assert_v this_o method_n to_o be_v good_a and_o cogent_a than_o it_o will_v clear_o follow_v 1._o that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n must_v be_v false_a for_o they_o have_v certain_o decree_v that_o doctrine_n which_o be_v assert_v by_o pope_n
spiritus_fw-la morâ—norum_fw-la august_n in_o psal_n 108._o enar._n 1._o p._n 276_o a._n whether_o at_o all_o or_o how_o far_o or_o after_o what_o manner_n the_o spirit_n of_o the_o dead_a can_v know_v the_o thing_n that_o be_v do_v here_o be_v a_o great_a question_n and_o the_o like_a doubt_n we_o find_v in_o nazianzen_n in_o his_o rhetorical_a apostrophe_n for_o in_o his_o invective_n against_o julian_n he_o speak_v thus_o eton._n thus_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 2._o ed._n eton._n hear_v o_o thou_o soul_n of_o great_a constantius_n if_o thou_o have_v any_o understanding_n of_o these_o thing_n and_o as_o many_o soul_n of_o the_o king_n before_o he_o as_o love_v christ_n where_o the_o greek_a scholiast_n upon_o that_o parenthesis_n nut_v this_o note_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o speak_v according_a to_o the_o manner_n of_o isocrates_n meaning_n if_o thou_o have_v any_o power_n to_o hear_v the_o thing_n that_o be_v here_o and_o therein_o he_o say_v right_o for_o isocrates_n use_v the_o same_o form_n of_o speech_n both_o in_o his_o evagoras_n and_o in_o his_o aegineticus_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o they_o which_o be_v dead_a have_v sense_n of_o the_o thing_n which_o be_v do_v here_o the_o like_a limitation_n be_v use_v by_o the_o same_o nazianzen_n towards_o the_o end_n of_o the_o funeral_n oration_n which_o he_o make_v upon_o his_o sister_n gorgonia_n where_o he_o speak_v thus_o unto_o she_o gorgon_n she_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d greg._n nazian_n orat._n 2._o in_o gorgon_n if_o thou_o have_v any_o care_n of_o the_o thing_n do_v by_o we_o and_o holy_a soul_n receive_v this_o honour_n from_o god_n that_o they_o have_v any_o feel_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o these_o receive_v this_o oration_n of_o we_o instead_o of_o many_o and_o before_o many_o funeral_n obsequy_n whence_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o foundation_n of_o this_o doctrine_n be_v doubt_v by_o they_o and_o than_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o thing_n itself_o be_v in_o those_o time_n only_a a_o doubtful_a or_o a_o disputable_a point_n and_o therefore_o that_o it_o be_v not_o deliver_v to_o they_o by_o tradition_n or_o confirm_v by_o scripture_n and_o can_v be_v require_v as_o the_o condition_n of_o communion_n without_o schism_n 2._o hence_o we_o have_v just_a reason_n to_o suspect_v that_o in_o those_o other_o passage_n we_o meet_v with_o of_o like_a nature_n these_o word_n if_o thou_o have_v any_o sense_n or_o apprehension_n of_o these_o thing_n when_o they_o be_v not_o express_v may_v very_o well_o be_v understand_v and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o genuine_a import_n of_o their_o rhetorical_a petition_n §_o 4._o observe_v that_o the_o afore_o mention_v father_n do_v often_o speak_v to_o their_o decease_a friend_n in_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o if_o they_o do_v suppose_v they_o present_v although_o they_o do_v not_o think_v they_o so_o to_o be_v thus_o b._n thus_o tom._n 1._o p._n 314._o b._n nazianzen_n when_o ready_a to_o conclude_v his_o funeral_n oration_n upon_o his_o father_n speak_v thus_o what_o say_v thou_o father_n be_v this_o sufficient_a and_o 6._o and_o l._n 1._o contra_fw-la julian_n c._n 6._o austin_n speak_v to_o chrysostom_n who_o have_v be_v dead_a some_o year_n before_o enter_v st._n john_n enter_z and_o sit_v together_o with_o thy_o brethren_n and_o 27._o and_o tom._n 1._o in_o psal_n 50._o p._n 703._o l._n 27._o chrysostom_n to_o david_n thus_o what_o be_v it_o thou_o desire_v david_n thy_o sin_n be_v pardon_v what_o will_v thou_o more_o oh_o david_n go_v give_v god_n thanks_o and_o ever_o glorify_v he_o and_o again_o why_o be_v thou_o trouble_v david_n let_v i_o know_v this_o eton._n this_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 19_o ed._n eton._n nazianzen_n do_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o his_o address_n to_o constantius_n when_o he_o believe_v he_o do_v enjoy_v the_o vision_n of_o god_n for_o thus_o he_o speak_v what_o be_v the_o matter_n oh_o divine_a king_n and_o great_a lover_n of_o our_o 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contain_v as_o formal_a and_o direct_a petition_n as_o any_o which_o be_v use_v in_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o the_o roman_a doctor_n st._n 214._o st._n nazianz._n orat._n decima_fw-la quarta_fw-la p._n 214._o nazianzen_n invoke_v peace_n thus_o oh_o friendly_a peace_n who_o be_v that_o good_a which_o all_o man_n praise_v but_o few_o observe_v where_o have_v thou_o so_o long_o leave_v we_o and_o when_o will_v thou_o return_v unto_o we_o and_o unto_o easter_n he_o speak_v thus_o 696._o thus_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nazianz._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d o_o at_o 42._o p._n 696._o oh_o great_a and_o holy_a passover_n who_o be_v the_o reconciliation_n of_o both_o the_o world_n for_o i_o will_v speak_v to_o thou_o as_o unto_o one_o endue_v with_o life_n in_o his_o invective_n against_o julian_n he_o speak_v thus_o hear_v o_o heaven_n and_o perceive_v o_o earth_n hear_v all_o you_o nation_n perceive_v all_o you_o that_o dwell_v upon_o the_o earth_n for_o to_o you_o all_o i_o speak_v 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 1._o hear_v you_o who_o live_v at_o present_a and_o hereafter_o shall_v be_v bear_v st._n ambrose_n speak_v unto_o the_o water_n thus_o 22._o thus_o ambros_n l._n 10._o in_o luc._n c._n 22._o oh_o water_n which_o have_v obtain_v to_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n which_o wash_v all_o thing_n and_o be_v not_o wash_v thyself_o thou_o do_v begin_v the_o first_o and_o do_v complete_a the_o perfect_a mystery_n in_o the_o like_a manner_n we_o find_v 5_o find_v de_fw-fr vir._n constantim_fw-la l._n 5_o eusebius_n call_v upon_o piety_n and_o 98._o and_o optat._n l._n 6._o p_o 98._o optatus_n upon_o water_n and_o this_o they_o do_v agreeable_o to_o the_o example_n of_o the_o pâ—ris_n the_o vos_fw-fr vos_fw-fr albani_n â—umuli_fw-la atque_fw-la luci_fw-la vos_fw-la inquam_fw-la iâ—ploro_fw-la aâ—qu_fw-la obtestor_fw-la vosque_fw-la a_fw-la â—banorum_fw-la obruâ—ae_fw-la arae_fw-la etc._n etc._n orat._n pro_fw-la milone_n p._n 558._o ed._n 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