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A11015	A treatise of Gods effectual calling: written first in the Latine tongue, by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ, Maister Robert Rollock, preacher of Gods word in Edenburgh. And now faithfully translated for the benefite of the vnlearned, into the English tongue, by Henry Holland, preacher in London; Tractatus de vocatione efficaci, quae inter locos theologiæ communissimos recensetur, deque locis specialioribus, qui sub vocatione comprehenduntur. English	Rollock, Robert, 1555?-1599.; Holland, Henry, 1555 or 6-1603.; Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.	1603 (1603)	STC 21286; ESTC S116145	189,138	276

let him be accursed Ioh. 20. These things are written that ye may beleeue c. And as for the iudgment of the Aduersaries in this matter which affirme that the scripture is lame and maimed chiefly note Bellarmine and his arguments for this purpose They teach the scriptures to bee defectiue and weake that we might giue place to their traditions and forgeries wherefore let vs a little consider this matter of Of Traditions traditions The word Tradition is generall and signifieth any doctrine written or vnwritten and so this word is vsed both in the sacred scriptures and in the ancient Writers albeit the Papists affirme that the Fathers vse this word onely to signifie a doctrine not written Testimonies of scripture which cleere the generall acceptation of the word are these Act. 6. 14. And shall change the ordinances which Moses * Quos nobis tradidit Moses 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 gaue vs or which wee had from Moses by tradition 2. Thess 2. 15. Keepe the tradition or doctrine * Traditam doctrinam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 deliuered vnto you which ye were taught either by word or by our Epistle The word tradition in Scripture is giuen other whiles to things ncessarie and continuing and sometimes to things not necessarie and temporarie The testimonie which is 2. Thess 2. vers 15. is of necessarie doctrine The place which is cited out of the Acts 16. 4. is of ceremonies for heere the Spirit speaketh of a decree of the Councell holden at Ierusalem concerning bloud and things offered to idols and that which is strangled Of which Act. 15. 28. As touching traditions which concerne necessarie points of faith manners they were first deliuered by the liuely voice of Christ his Apostles and then the short summe of them recorded in bookes as may appeare by that speech of the Apostle concerning the Lords supper 1. Cor. 11. 23. And againe 1. Thess 4. 2. * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 where he giueth rules of an honest conuersation And againe 2. Thess 2. 15. And as touching traditions which be not necessarie but ceremoniall they were either recorded as of Ecclesiasticall rites 1. Cor. 11. 14. or not recorded 1. Cor. 11. 34. Other things will I set in order when I come He promiseth heere to set in order but ceremonies and namely such as did concerne the Lords supper Of ceremonies onely this I wil say they did no way exceed neither were Of Ceremonies Good rules they vnprofitable neither were they deliuered with anie 1 opinion of necessity to bind mens consciences neither 2 were they contrarie to those things which were written 3 yea this I auouch y t there was nothing deliuered by way 4 of tradition or touching ceremonies by the Apostles which had not good ground warrant in Gods word that is in the bookes of the Prophets and in the doctrine of Christ which not long after was written by the Euangelists and Apostles And as for Popish traditions Popish traditions and ceremonies and ceremonies there is no end of them they are vnprofitable they are like old wiues fables all for the most part deliuered with an opinion of necessitie and most of them most repugnant to the Apostolicall doctrine And thus do we distinguish traditions The aduersaries vnderstand by Tradition their vnwritten veritie not that which is no where found written but that which is not written by the first author thereof that is by him which deliuered the same by his owne liuely voice This then the Papists do here professe that they cannot find their traditions in the Scriptures nor proue them by the Scriptures CHAP. XV. Of the seuenth propertie and ninth controuersie THE sacred scripture is the iudge of all controuersies I meane such controuersies as are concerning religion Now there bee two principall controuersies concerning religion the first is of the scripture it selfe who shall be iudge here or how it may be tryed that the scripture is the word of God The second The iudge of the scripture is of the sense and interpretation of the scripture who shal iudg of that or how it may appeare that this or that is the very naturall sense of the Scripture I meane by iudgement here a definitiue sentence pronounced and giuen with such authority as that all men must herein rest By the word scripture I meane not only the substance thereof but also the form of reuelation which is also by diuine inspiration Againe this manner of speaking is improper when we say of the scripture that it is the iudge of controuersies For to speake properly the holy Ghost is the iudge for the iudge must be a person and the holy Ghost he is the third person in Trinity The Scripture therefore is not properlie said to be a iudge but it is the voice and sentence which the Iudg hath giuen the principall instrument or meane wherby y e spirit sets forth his iudgment whereby he teacheth vs and worketh faith in our hearts And the spirit here iudgeth freely in and by whom he pleaseth being not tied to any one kind of men as Pastors Doctors but in and by whom it seemeth good to him Here then three things must be considered of vs First whether the holy ghost be a iudge Secondly whether the scripture be his principal voice wherby he giueth First whether the holy Ghost be a iudge sentence or determineth any question Thirdly whether he iudg in and by any man without difference or respect of persons or be bound to one certaine kinde or sort of men For the first question I answere the holy Ghost is a Iudge first for that he was promised of Christ Io 14. Math 28. Mar. 16. vnto his church at his last departure from the Apostles is giuen as it were deputed Christs vicar on earth both to teach and to iudge c. Secondly for that among other offices of the holy Ghost this is one to iudge But because the aduersaries do not much gainsay this assertion concerning Io. 16. Gods spirit that by him all things are to be iudged and tried and that by him the scriptures are to be interpreted therefore we will be briefe in this point Now for the second point that the holy scripture is the primarie Secondly that the holy scripture is the principall voice of the iudg voice of this iudge iudiciarie and proper to him whereby he begets faith in our harts may appeare by these reasons following First the scripture is the word of God Secondly it is most auncient Thirdly it is most cleere or euident To these I ad the testimonie of the scripture it selfe Ioh. 14. 25. 26. He shall teach you all things and bring all things to * Suggeret remembrance which I haue told you And hereunto may also be added the common experience of the Saints There are other meanes to prooue this but lesse principall among which the testimony of

written which was before deliuered by the liuely voice Q. I pray you speak in order vnto me of the subiect or argument in scripture written first by God himself secondly by mē by Moses the Prophets and Apostles A. I will do so Q. What then hath God written A. The sum of the doctrine of the couenant of works of the law euen the very same which he had deliuered first by a liuely voice to the Fathers and to Moses Q. What hath Moses written A. All the celestiall doctrine which he had receiued partly of the fathers by tradition partly of God himselfe Moses books who spake mouth to mouth with him for so the scripture speaketh partly he had learned of the holy Ghost by an inward inspiration to speake in a word whatsoeuer had happened to him and to all the people in his life time for the space of 100. and 20. yeares all these things he committed to writing and gaue to the people Q. Did Moses then write what soeuer true doctrine was deliuered from the beginning of the world to that time A. Moses omitted no point of true doctrine which at any time had bene deliuered concerning either faith or manners for from the beginning vntil that very time one and the same doctrine of truth as touching the substance was taught full and whole in all ages The difference only was in the measure of the reuelation of it that it is accidentall Moses deliuered this doctrine fully and wholy by liuely voice more cleerely and manifestly then euer before then after this it was recorded in writing Q. What did the Prophets write who followed Moses euerie one in their time and order A. The same and all as touching the substance which Moses had written before the difference only was herein that euery one by reuelation did adde a more cleare manifest interpretation as the bright morning starre did approch more neere Q. What haue the Apostles written after the Prophets A. All and the same which from the beginning of the world in al ages before them was both by liuely audible voice deliuered and written they first also by a liuely voice deliuered the same and after committed it to writing Q. Doe you then make no difference betwixt the writings of the Prophets and of the Apostles A. In the matter and substance none in the clearenes and perspicuity thereof very great for the scripture of the Apostles conteineth the same reuelation of the mystery which was declared from the beginning of the world but most fully and most clearely Q. I haue heard you speake concerning both kinds of reuelation considered without comparison now I would haue you to compare together the liuely voice writing that by comparison it may appeare whether is of greater dignity authority A. I will compare them together the liuely voice and scripture are compared either in respect of substance and matter is selfe which is reuealed by these meanes or in respect of the kinds of y e reuelatiō of it If cōparison be made in regard of the matter or substance they must needes be both equall alike seeing that the matter in either is one and the same but if you compare the kinds of reuclation together it cānot truly be denied but that the first better place is due to the liuely voice seeing that the liuely voice is both in respect of time more auncient was before the organs or instruments thereof for the mouth is an instrument more worthy to be preferred before the hand and is a kind of teaching more familiar more fit for the capacity of such as are more rude ignorant Albeit also in some respects writing is to be preferred before the liuely voice For it is a more perfect accurate kind of reuelation fit to instruct those that are more perfect to keepe the truth more firmely In the meane while it cānot be denied but y t in other respects they are both alike for they haue both spoken written the same thing in the same manner to wit as being guided moued by the holy Ghost inspired of God 2. Pet. 1. 21. 2. Tim. 3. 16. To conclude seeing that now the liuely voice by the wil of God hath ceased and in the place of it the scripture hath succeeded so that whole dignity of the liuely voice before mentioned is and ought worthily to be ascribed and referred vnto the scripture or written word of God Q Doe you meane then that the Prophetical Apostolical scripture ought to be now in as great account with vs as the liuelie voice of God himselfe and of extraordinarie men was in times past A. I meane so and in his kinde of reuelation alone I willingly rest as in that which came by inspiratiō from God so long vntill I shall heare at his glorious comming that liuely and most sweete voice of Christ my Sauiour when he shall say to them who shall be at his right hand Come ye blessed of my Father inherit the kingdome prepared for you from the beginning of the world To whom be all praise for euer Amen To God only wise be praise through Jesus Christ for euer Amen

iustification which is by Christ onely by the grace of God only by faith only for al these haue one respect and purpose Obserue then here by the way what the palpable blindnesse of the Papists is in this cleere light of the Gospell Popish blindnes First they see not how nature is plainlie lost as touching sanctitie Secondly they know not the sole grace and mercie of God neither do they vnderstand what the excellency is of Christs merit Thirdly they perceiue not how that couenant of works is abolished to them which are in Christ as touching iustification Fourthly they conceiue not that the only couenant of grace is made with mankinde after the fall speciallie now after the incarnation of Christ in the Gospell and that vnto iustification and life eternall Fiftly they see not that the works of free will as they call them if there were any such to be duties only and testimonies of thankefulnesse according to the first institution of the couenant of works which be done by the strength of nature but ascribe some speciall meritorious vertue vnto them Wherefore we conclude concerning these men that albeit they be not iust of one minde with those old Iewes against whom the Apostle disputed in the Epistle to the Romans yet they hold much on their side striuing to defend that nature is in part good and holy so contending against the pure and only grace of God and to diuide iustification and The popish iustification mans saluation betweene Christ and Gods free grace the vertues and workes of nature whereas notwithstanding these two nature and grace can neuer stand together in the worke of our saluation For whosoeuer shall conioine or make a mixture of grace and nature in this matter shall quite ouerthrow and extinguish grace which either is alone or not at all as Rom. 11. 6. If it be of grace it is no more of works for otherwise grace were no more grace And in the Epistle to the Galathians he doth purposelie dispute against those Iewes which did couple together in the matter of iustification the guifts and works of nature with Christ with the grace of God and with the Gospell And these Iewes as I iudge the Papists seeme most to resemble I meane those Iewes against whom he wrote in the Epistle to the Galathians For in that other epistle to the Romans he disputeth against such Iewes as did openly deny Christ and reiect him but to the Galathians his disputation is against such Iewes as were not content with Christ only but would haue Christ and the law ioined together Thus far of the comparison betweene Paul and vs on the one side the old Iewes and the Papists on the other Now because it will be demanded what Paul thought of the works of regeneration and what we and what the aduersaries thinke also therefore I will touch this question in few wordes Here then some one will say did Paul then in that disputation to the Rom. and to the Galathians oppugne the works of grace and regeneration I answer Paules chiefe purpose in that disputation is against the works of nature which the Iewes thought to be holy and iust and also meritorious he did not reiect the works of regeneration as they be duties and testimonies of thankfulnesse vnto God but in that respect commends them Rom. 6. 7. 8. Chapters and in other places But as touching the cause of iustification he would not haue these workes as we call them of regeneration coupled with the grace of God or with Christ or with faith as anie cause or as part of anie meritorious cause of saluation To this purpose he saith Rom. 4. that Abraham himselfe being regenerate was not iustified before God by anie works of his regeneration And Rom. 6. hauing commended the works of sanctification in the end vers 23. where he attributeth death to the merit of sinne hee doth not there notwithstanding ascribe life eternall to the merit of the works or fruits of sanctification but when he had said that the wages of sin is death he doth clearely auouch it that eternall life is the free gift of God in Christ Iesu In which place if the Apostle had beene of this iudgement that the works of regeneration be in anie respect meritorious assuredly he would not so passe ouer the commendation of the works of regeneration specially for that this heere is principally intended Wherefore the Apostle to the Romans so reiecting the works of nature which the couenant of works requireth yet hee vnderstandeth also all kinds of workes morall and naturall going before grace and faith as also all ceremoniall works and the very fruits of regeneration which follow grace and faith that faith onely Christ only grace only may herein be all in all Thus far of S. Paules iudgment We at this day are of one and the same mind with the Apostle concerning works of regeneration Our aduersaries granting there be such works ascribe too much vnto them for they will not haue them to be duties and testimonies onely of thankfulnesse vnto God but also that they be meritorious causes of that iustification which they call the second iustification Again we are to remember that the aduersaries iudgment concerning works of regeneration is that they proceed not onely from infused grace and first iustice as they speake but also from nature and free-will which works together with that iustice in respect whereof also they account good works meritorious as was before The popish opinion of good works shewed so ascribing their good works in part to that their first grace and in part to free-will And thus farre of this comparison wherby it appeares whether we or our aduersaries haue the better or the more sound iudgment concerning both couenants of the grounds of both nature grace and Christ as also of the effect of both which we call mans iustification And lastly for that this is the most fundamentall point of true religion we may hereby discerne also whether we or the aduersaries haue the religion and worship of God the more purely soundly established amongst vs. CHAP. VI. Of the written Word or of the written Couenant of God THe word in both couenants was for a long time in the world euen from Adams time till Moses vnwritten deliuered as from hand to hand and continued by a liuelie voice for I passe ouer such matters as Ioseph recordes to be ingrauen in columnes before the floud as also the Apocryphals of Henoch And whē as in continuance of time corruptions grew by these traditions and the puritie of the doctrine of the couenant could not thus be preserued and y t God would no longer follow the former course onely he beganne in Moses time to ordaine and to publish another forme to wit this to preserue and to continue the puritie of the celestiall doctrine in written books approued and sealed by diuine authoritie and testimonie the more to commend his written word vnto men

in all succeeding ages God himself with his owne hand did first write in tables of stone the words of the Decalogue Next after this he gaue it in charge vnto Moses that he should afterwards write and record all things which hee receiued at Gods owne mouth and that the people of God might be assured that the bookes of Moses came not by mans will but were giuen by diuine inspiration the Lord sealed 2. Tim. 3. 16 and testified these writings to be his heauenly oracles by manie great wonders before they were written when they were written and after they were written And Moses wrote the Word of both couenants of both I say Legall and Euangelicall but whereas he gaue but as it were the first lineaments of the Euangelicall couenant he set forth the Legall couenant clearely and in full measure For the legall couenant in the bookes of Moses is cleerely recommended and vrged but the Euangelical more darkly set before vs. For which cause all the doctrine of Moses is said to be legall The Law came by Moses Ioh. 1. After Moses God stirred vp his Prophets whose writings also he confirmed with his great miracles and gaue them great authoritie yet were they not to set forth any thing diuers or contrary to the doctrine of Moses and the Patriarches nor to publish any thing but what was grounded in the bookes of Moses but by diuine reuelation they did ad more cleere interpretations as the morning starre of the new testament did more neerely approch These holy men wrote the summe and chiefe heads of their doctrine euen so much as God himselfe thought meete to be reserued for posterity And these records being written were laid vp with the holie books of Moses which were kept in the side of the Arke Iosh 24. 26. Finally after the incarnation of Christ the Euangelicall doctrine or the Gospell first beganne for certaine yeares to be deliuered by voice and to be preached by Christ himselfe and then after by his Apostles And lastly the same was written by the Apostles The works of Gods law and nature are commanded in the bookes of the new Testament And the verie moral law is expounded by Christ himselfe freed from the leauen and corruption of the Pharisees but the works of the law and nature are not recommended to the end that by them men might be iustified and saued but they be commended either to prepare men to intertaine grace offered or to quicken them to proceed and grow in grace receiued as is before shewed Againe the works of regeneration be commanded not for iustification but as testimonies of that iustification which is by faith and of thankfulnes vnto God for which cause so soone as the Apostle hath taught the doctrine of faith he descends to the works of the lawe teaching men that their life and conuersation must be worthie that high calling whereunto we are called in Christ Iesu See Ephe. 4. 1. 1. Thess 2. 12. But faith in Christ is that which is principally required in all the books of the new Testament And thus farre generally of the written word of the couenant CHAP. VII The number of the controuersies which are concerning the written Word and of the first controuersie whether the Scripture be the word of God THere be two kinds of controuersies concerning the holy Scripture The first kind is of such controuersies as bee more essentiall that is which concerne the very essence if I may so speake or being of the Scripture The second kind is of those controuersies which bee more accidentall and doe not so neerely concerne the essence of the Scripture Of the first kind there are ten controuersies or questions the first is Whether the Scripture Propheticall and Apostolicall bee the word of God The second is How it may appeare that this Scripture is Gods word The third is Of the antiquitie of it The fourth is Of the perspicuity or cleerenes of it The fift is Of the simplicitie or plainnesse of it The sixt is Of the viuacitie quickening power or life of it The seuenth is Of the simple euident necessitie of it The eight is Of the perfection sufficiencie thereof that it is sufficient and perfect in it selfe without all vnwritten verities or traditions whatsoeuer The ninth is Whether the Scripture may bee the iudge to determine all controuersies The tenth is Whether the Scriptures Propheticall and Apostolicall must haue the chiefe place of excellency and be in authoritie aboue the Church As for those eight controuersies which follow the two first they are touching the properties of the holie Scripture and these when we shall haue proued that the Scripture is Gods word will appeare euidently for they are necessary consequents of that Theoreme For grant we this that the Scripture is Gods word then these things must follow necessarily first that it is most ancient secondly most cleere thirdly most simple or pure fourthly most powerfull fiftly most necessarie sixtly most perfect seuenthly the greatest best iudge of all controuersies without exception eightly most excellent But for as much as the aduersaries denie these eight properties therefore as is a foresaid there is of euerie one of them a speciall controuersie We are then to handle these controuersies in order and first of that which by due right naturally is to haue the first place Whether the Scripture be the word of God The Aduersaries graunt generally that the holy Scripture is the word of God but when they are brought from the generall to a speciall they break from vs. To speake more plainely the word of God at this day is twofold in the Church of God 1. immediate 2. mediate I call that the Gods written word immediate word of God which doth proceede immediately out of Gods owne mouth and that I call mediate which the Lord speakes by his preacher or Minister We hold then and auouch that the holie Scripture is that immediate and primarie word of God and to bee vnto vs in steed of that first immediate and liuely voice of God himselfe yea that it serues vs in place not only of that liuely voice of God but also of the secret and insearchable mind of God and of Gods vnspeakeable mysteries Our arguments are these 1. For that this is the verie will of God They haue Moses saith he and the prophets that is the bookes of Moses and the Prophets Luk. 16. 29. 2. If we had nothing to supply the defect of the liuely voice of God then doubtlesse our state were worse then that of the old Church of the Iewes which had the oracles of God but it is against all light of reason so to Rom. 3 1. 2. affirme 3. Our third reason is this The first ground of our faith must be either the liuely voice of God or the verie mind and counsell of God or something to supply the want of Gods liuely voyce and of the secret mind of God which must also be

now auouch to be only the sacred Scriptures of the old and new Testament Wherefore we plainly conclude the Scripture is most necessarie The Aduersaries oppose themselues against this assertion as against the former and they denie that the scripture is simply necessarie it is necessary say they that is it is profitable or commodious for the well being of a Church but is not so necessarie for the being nor no such thing as without which the Church can haue no being And for this cause do these men denie the necessitie of the Scripture that they may open the doore to their authoritie and traditions that is to their owne dreames which they say be simply necessary and preferre them before the scripture They are easily answered by the rules before set downe For if by scripture they vnderstand the substance of the scripture it cannot be denied that the scripture is simply necessarie but if they vnderstand not the substance onely but also the verie writing in this respect also we haue shewed it by cleere demonstratiō that the scripture is simply necessarie for that it is vnto vs in place of y e liuely voice of God himselfe Wherfore their assertion is false howsoeuer they take this word Scripture either in this sense or the other But they say the Church wanted the scripture neere two thousand yeares all which time religion was preserued by tradition only Therefore the Scripture is not simply necessarie I answer If you vnderstand by Scripture the verie substance of the couenant then your argument followeth not for the substance of the scripture was in those verie traditions whereby the Church was edified and kept But if by this word ye vnderstand the verie writing then I grant the scripture was not extant so manie yeares and I say that it was not then necessarie for that then the liuely voice of God it selfe was heard If they conclude that because it was not then necessarie therefore it is not now necessarie or that it was not necessarie after that God had commanded it and after that it began to be extant surely the consequence is very euill for as ages and times haue changed so diuers formes of reuelation were necessarie Or we may more briefly set downe this controuersie in this forme THe scripture is necessarie not onely for the well-being as Popish Schoole-men speake but also for the being of the Church Et hactenus est simplex necessitas And this necessitie is in respect of time only for there was not a necessitie of the scripture in all ages I vnderstand The word written not necessary in all ages Heb. 1. 1. 2. by the word Scripture not onely the substance of the written word but also the manner or forme of reuelation but this simple necessitie must bee auouched of the substance and forme of reuelation in diuers respects For the scripture as touching the substance of it was necessarie to the Church in all ages but in respect of the manner of reuealing the same it was necessarie for a certaine time only to wit vntill it seemed good vnto Almightie God to teach his church by the scripture ARG. 1. For the Lord God had not giuen his Church the Scripture if he had not thought it necessarie euū for the being of his Church ARG. 2. The liuely voice of God was necessarie in the time appointed for it ergo the Scripture also is necessary in the time the Lord hath decreed for it for there is but one and the same reason of both ARG. 3. It is necessarie that Gods will be reuealed and communicated to the Church at all times in one forme or other either by Gods own liuely voice or by writing or by both but now the liuely voice of God hath ceased therefore now the word written is necessarie The aduersaries deny this absolute necessitie moued hereunto with these arguments following First from Adam to Moses there was no Scripture Ergo. I answer the Lord God thought it not necessarie for all that time But when as the Lord himselfe began to write and that the 2. Pet. 1. 18. 19. 21. holy men of God were acted and moued by the holie Ghost first Prophets then Apostles then the Scripture began to be necessarie euen simply necessary ARG. 2. From Moses vnto Christ Iob and his friends both beleeued and were saued without the Scripture I answer It is most like these also read the scriptures as may appeare by the Eunuches story Act. 8. Next I answer that so manie as were called without the visible Church God dealt with them in an extraordinary manner ARG. 3. They did more attend the traditions of the Fathers then the written word euen in the second age I answer this is false ARG. 4. In the third age there was no scripture of the new Testament extant for a long season Ergo. I answer the Apostolicall scripture beganne not long after Christ Next all that time I grant it was not necessarie but when the Apostles were dead and when their liuelie voice ceased then began it to be necessary CHAP. XIIII Of the sixt propertie of the Scripture and the eight controuersie THE Scripture is perfect containing in it all things necessarie for faith and manners not onely sufficiently but also abundantly for this is the perfection which heere wee doe auouch The sense then of the Proposition is this This kind of reuelation containes all things c. The proofe is this Argument 1. The liuely voice of God contained all articles or instructions concerning faith and manners Ergo so doth the Scripture The reason of the argument is euident for that nothing in respect of substance was spoken by that liuely voice which is not recorded in the Scripture ARG. 2. If the Scripture contained not all things necessarie perfectly then euill were the condition of our Church and of our time which heareth not the liuely voice of anie man speaking by diuine inspiration nor of any prophet or Apostle ARG. 3. The religious and such as be taught of God haue an holy experience of the sufficiencie of the Scriptures and of the fulnesse of it Adde to these arguments these diuine testimonies Deut. 4. Ye shall not ad to the word that I speake c. Reuel 22. If anie shall adde to these things God shall Vers 18. adde vnto him the plagues which are written in this booke Albeit these sayings are to bee vnderstood properly of particular books yet the same reason serues for all books of the canonicall scripture and surely the reason binds more strongly for if we may not ad to particular books how much lesse is it lawfull to adde to the whole Canon Prou. 30. Thou shalt ad nothing to his words This seemes to be vnderstood of the whole Scripture Matth. 28. Teaching to obserue all things which I commanded you Gal. 1. 8. If we or an Angell from heauen shall preach vnto you another Gospel or otherwise then that which we haue preached vnto you

truth receiued from his Fathers notwithstanding he became an Apostata and an Idolater as is manifest by the historie Next there was an intermission also when the people liued in Egypt for from the death of the Sonnes of Iacob euen to the departure out of Egypt Ezechiel testifieth Chapter 20. that al the people were fallen frō God to the Idols of the Egyptians Lastly there was an intermission from Malachy the last of the Prophets vntil Iohn Baptist in all which time no Prophet was raised vp notwithstanding the word of God was cōtinued amongst the people of y e Iewes by high Priests and the ordinary ministery but not without corruptions so that at the comming of Christ for the more part the doctrine of truth was now corrupted Q. Ought not the liuely voice of God which is not subiect to errour bee continued in the Church vntil the comming of VVhether a liuely voice not subiect to error continues til Christ Christ because you said that this liuely voice did continue in the Church till the comming of the Apostles only A. The liuely voice of Christ continues in the Church I confesse but not the liuely voice either of God or of extraordinary men such as were the Fathers Prophets and Apostles but only the liuely voice of ordinary men of pastours and doctors who both may erre do erre whensoeuer they depart neuer so little from the prescript word of the Prophets and Apostles Q. But God hath giuen a greater measure of his holie spirit to his Church which now is vnder Christ then euer he gaue to the old Church Therefore if in the old Church there was a liuelie voice which could not erre how much more shall there be now in the Church of Christ a liuelie voice which cannot erre A. It is true indeed that together with this full reuelation which is cōtained in the writings of the Apostles a more full spirit was giuen to the Church of Christ which now is then was giuen to the the old Church But hence it followeth not that either the Church or the Pastors and doctors in the Church are so gouerned with that Spirit that they cannot at all erre in deliuering the truth For this was the extraordinarie gift of the holy Ghost which was giuen but for a time but the gift of the Spirit which was giuen to the Church of Christ since the times of the Apostles is ordinarie and perpetuall to wit the gift of sanctification illumination and regeneration Q. The Church then which now is seemes to be in a worse case then the old Church was which had the liuely voice of God of men which could not erre A. That doth not follow for this Scripture of the Prophets and Apostles which nowe the Church hath doth not erre in doctrine and containes also a most full and most cleare reuelation of the truth Q. Albeit I should graunt the condition of our Church to better then of that old Church which was before Moses and which had the tradition and vse onely of the liuely voice and that verie imperfect and obscure notwithstanding I see not how the Church was not in better case which was after Moses euen to the comming of Christ as hauing not onely the vse of tradition and of a liuelie voice but also of the Propheticall Scripture as a light shining in a dark place A. Truly that Church had both that is both the sound of a liuely voice and of the Scripture and written word of God but neither perfect and absolute But this Scripture which our Church alone hath containes a most full and plaine reuelation for euen one forme or maner and kind of reuelation which is perfect and full must be more excellent then two which are both imperfect or which containe an imperfect reuelation of the truth Q. But there is no man who would not say it were better with this our Church if it had some liuelie voice which in speaking and answering to all controuersies might not erre A. They haue Moses the Ptophets and Apostles that is the writings of Moses of the Prophets and of the Apostles and those truely not onely sufficient but most perfect whēce only if they cānot learne the truth by thē and decide and end all controuersies they will not be instructed with the liuely voyce of anie extraordinary man howbeit as I haue said before the liuely voice was to continue onely so long in the Church as some thing was wanting to the full declaration of the mystery of Christ So that if now there should be any need of the liuely voice either of God or of some extraordinarie man in the Church of Christ that truly should plainely argue that the reuelation of the truth and mysterie of Christ is not perfect as yet nor accomplished Q. You conclude then that since the Apostles time there hath beene no liuelie voice heard in the Church which could not erre A. Yea truely Q. Whie did a liuelie voice not subiect to errour continue in the Church all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles A. To speake nothing of the will of God with the which alone we ought to rest contented first the condition of the Church did require this continuance then the measure of the reuelation that then was Q. Whie the condition of the Church A. Because the visible Church in all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles was both in place more streight as being shut vp in one family or in one nation was by reason of age weaker or not so wel growne For the Church before Christ if I may so speake was either as a child or as a young man Q. What then A. The liuely voice doth more easily reach or extend it selfe to a Church which is in place more streight and to the Saints fewer in number the church being as yet vnexpert by reason of the age of it and lesse growne had neede of the liuely voice of a teacher none otherwise then children haue neede of the liuely voice of a maister who as it were stammereth with them but after the comming of Christ when the Church was sufficiently instructed by the liuely voice of Christ and of his Apostles and now come to mans estate there was no more heard anie liuely voice either of God or of men extraordinarie Q. Whie did the measure of Reuelation require this A. Because all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles there remained as yet some thing more clearely and more manifestly to be reuealed and the reuelation of the doctrine was in seuerall ages made more manifest still as pertaining to the substance of it and so long as some thing remained to be more clearely reuealed so long a liuely voice was to continue for euerie new reuelation ought first to begin with a liuely voice Q. Seeing that the last and most full reuelation was by the liuelie voice of Christ and his Apostles hath there euer since