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A09313	The letters patents of the presbyterie vvith the plea and fruits of the prelacie. Manifested out of the scriptures, fathers, ecclesiasticall histories, Papists, and sundrie other authors. By Iames Peregrin.	[Peregin, James].; Partridge, James, attributed name. aut	1632 (1632)	STC 19622B.5; ESTC S103890	43,655	62

of their plea are plainly a bused made meere shifts mights as vv●ll haue serued the Papists against VValdo Luther Caluin as them against the Eldership If they vvould speake truth they might rather say as by Constantines so by Queen Flizabeths comming to the crovvne vvith peace entred plentie honour and vvith them anibition coueteosnes corruption So in short time and by degrees it fared vvith those ancient Bishops their feare tovvard God in matters of their Hierarchie traditions and ceremonies began to be taught by the precepts of men vvith these ambition and coueteousnes entred into the church therefore first in these then in other things their vvisdome began to be hid and perishing so that they could not see the mischiefes follovving diocessan and prouinciall Bishops 4 The church of Rome at that time the Bulvvark and authoritie of diocessan Episcopacie vvas not then knovvne to be the VVhore ef Babylon and mother of fornications but for her integritie in other matters as against Arrians and other hereticks vvas thought the pillar of truth and for the greatnes of her Bishop not opposed by many but rather applauded 〈◊〉 the most therefore fevv or none vvould then speake against her custome and tenets vvhich indeede made their ovvne Episcopall authoritie to be held the more lavvfull and necessarie the rather because of the honour profit that accompanied it So prone is all mankinde to encline to those vanities and be blinded by them 5. Though it vvere vvithout all true authoritie of Scripture yet custome and consent of Synods had established and increased it as they also did the primacie and povver of the Pope in the Nicence Sardean and other councels therefore it vvas thought an heresie in Aerius to dissent from them vvhereas the heresie vvas rather in them that dissented from the institution and practise of the church in the time of the Apostles but indeed the misterie of iniquitie could not other vvise haue vvrought that the church of Rome should become the great vvhore and her Bishop the Antichrist For these ordinances that set vp diocessan Bishops Archbishops and Patriarchs vvith many many nevv rites and ceremonies furthered the greatnes and authoritie of the Bishop and church of Rome and such vvas then the custome and doctrine of that church implying that they vvere necessarie therefore it vvas counted Schisme and heresie to hold any thing to the cōtrarie though taught in scriptures the name of the church did carrie it against all proofes vvhatsoeuer If any opposed and saide these things vvere Ievvish heathenish or Antichristian or tended that vvay they could not vvant instrumentall daubers to quiet or confound them vvith abusing such places as that Gal. 5.15 Ephes 4.3 If ye bite deuoure one another take heede ye be not deuoured one of another Keepe the vnitie of the Spirit in the bond of peace Dispute not about things indisterent but rather obserue vnitie and vniformitie vvith due obedience to the church to Bishops to Synods and their ordinances and neuer say they are ill carried be not so seditious schismaticall or peruerse they are your guides and you should be guided and ruled by them By these and the like meanes and deuises they passed from errour to errour Euen as at this day in England the Supporters of the Hierarchie and Arminianisme preuaile by the same reasons by abusing the same and the like places and by saying the ancient Synods ordained Archbishops and Bishops and the custome and doctrine of the church of England doe implie and teach that they and their traditions and gouernment are necessarie therefore it is schisme and heresie to dissent from them that is though you hold vvith the scriptures the name of the church of England must carrie it against all proofes vvhatsoeuer and therefore though they vvill not be accounted Papists as those are vvho stand for the Pope yet are they Pontificians such as maintaine diocessan and prouinciall Bishops the opposers thereof to be schismaticks and hereticks For they knovv that as it vvas of old so at this day the calling of them hereticks is next to povver custome and humaine constitution the best argument to defend their Hierarchie and the traditions thereof For vvhile they scoffe at them and their Tenets and call them hereticks Puri●ains peruerse Spirits that labour to proue that the Hierarchie ought to be abolished the Eldership restored this makes Princes nobles ministers and people to stop their eares and eyes against all the best reasons and proofes of Scripture in these cases and in like manner to scoffe at them * Luk. 16.14 Iohn 9.29 So the Pharises derided Christ like as at this day the greatest defence of Romish religion is scoffing at the Protestant faith calling it heresie them hereticks that professe it this makes Princes Priests and people to looke no further but to stop their eares against all proofes as against the Sophistrie of hereticks VVith this deuise also hath the church of Rome preuailed from time to time and by it ran from one errour to another till she became full of abhominations and to haue such povver that no man durst vndertake to conuince her And so may the church of England vvho hath begun such a progresse in some popish ceremonies Arminian errours vvhich are maintained by practises as beeing such as they vvill suffer no man to dispute against but vvith povver and cunning pretences prohibit all from gainsaying her Prelates in any thing * 2. Cor. 1.24 as the church of Rome did This is to haue dominion ouer mens faith vvhich the Apostles abhorred seeing the truth of God is in these points reuealed and things reuealed belong to vs to vvhome it is giuen to contend for the faith VVhence it must needes follovv that they also vvill get a povver to doe teach vvhat they list and yet no man shall dare to conuince them For Christ saith He that is vniust is the least Luk. 16.10 is vniust also in much Let no man therefore say these are small differences that the authoritie of Bishops should be receiued in them or that they are matters too high for the people seeing they are not higher then the mysteries of the Trinitie vvhich being also taught in Scriptures should be held of all and not forbidden as these are to open a gap for * Which is the drift of the pro●ectors and Abettors poperie to enter For such euer haue bene such are and such must needes be the fruit of greatnes in the clergie And therefore vvhereas some say as the church grevv larger and larger so there might be nevv offices officers ordained hauing greater honour and more ample iurisdiction and command ouer vvhole countries and Prouinces they see here the fruits of it in Rome and in England It is not the putting of religious men into the papacie or into English Bishopvvricks that vvill helpe these things if the callings be of men and not of

ought to be gouerned by Presbiters and that the gouernment by diocessan Bishops is of humaine authoritie and inuention and consequently the vvisdome of the flesh Rom. 8.7 vvhich is en●mitie vvith God for it is not subiect to the law of God neither indeede can be As vvee may see in those greate defendors of the Hierarchie in the church of Rome and in England that vvill not be conuinced in this point by the Testament of Christ So much are they blinded by the proffit and honour that follovves it but crie out that this is nothing but the madnes of the Brovvnists and some others that seeke innovation change that these are priuate spirits and that they giue a priuate interpretation of the scriptures and Fathers because it agrees not vvith theirs vvho are more in number and greater in povver VVhich yet is the priuate interpretation because not according to the expresse meaning of the holy Ghost The consent of many clocks and vvatches in a citie doth not proue them to goe true vnles they accord vvith the Sunne No more doth that of many Bishops and Councels vnles they agree vvith the vvord One Paphnutius hauing that on his side is not a priuate spirit but ought to be preferred before many of a contrarie concord as the Councell of Nice shevved in him Therefore it is but a shift and a mockerie to call this Tenet Brovvnisme vvhen they knovv this of the Eldership is the gouernmēt of the reformed churches in France Germanie c. and that to condemne this for an errour is to condemne them all yea the fathers before alledged and the verie Apostles themselues It vvill be obiected Diocessan Bishops came in soone after the death of the Apostles and if the church gouerned by Elders be the true church vvhere vvas the true church from the first comming in of diocessan Bishops till the Nicene Councell vvhen they vvere first confirmed by a generall councell and Imperiall authoritie and the vvoman fled into the vvildernes and vvas follovved by a flood of Gothes Reuel 12. and Vandals I ansvvere Bishops vvere then diocessan prouinciall rather nomine quam re in name then indeed excercising title povver and authoritie ouer them as ye haue seene out of the testimonie of Cyprian Hierom and Chrysostom VVhat doeth the bishop giuing of orders excepted vvhich the Presbyter may not doe He vvas not then come to his power ●nd strength but vvas then litle other then a Presbyter in ●atter of gouernment had a Pastorall charge ouer one con●regation yea gouerned like them and vvith them the Pres●yters had their voices in Councels they neither vvere nor vvould be so soone thrust out So that for a time they had still the essentiall parts of a true church at least till such staines and blemishes grevv greater the Hierarchie excercised more authoritie ouer the Presbiters and became the mint defence authority of humaine inuentiō errour superflitiō to be made a marke of a true church Then the mistery of iniquitie that had long before vvrought in that inuentiō began to shevv the fruits thereof then that vvas true vvhich one saith of episcopacie It vvas inuented against an euill but the remedy proued worse then the disease For out of these smal beginnings issued 1. The insupportable povver impietie of the Pope and church of Rome vvhich haue brought so many and so vnspeakeable euills on the church For though perhaps those ancients meant to doe noe hurt but rather much good in ordaining diocessan Bishops and giuing them but litle power yet hereby the misterie of iniquity wrough● for they thus presuming to set one ouer others in a diocesse this povver increased vvith like reason authoritie Archbishops and Patriarcks vvere set ouer Bishops in the end a Pope ouer all For grant they may ordaine diocessan Bishops and that their ordinance is by a diuine instinct and of good authoritie and it vvill fellovv that others after them may as vvell ordaine the rest and that their ordinance also is by diuine instinct and of good authoritie so indeed to ordaine Cardinals and as manie vpstart orders of Priests and friers as are among the Papists I might add setting vp of Images to be vvorshipped and all other popish Tenets and customes vvhich haue bene authorised by councels and kings if that vvere sufficient as some thinke it is Hence therefore as from a spring haue issued all the errours of the Romish church established by Bishops in councels for sound and good doctrines and all the vast authoritie and povver of Bishops and the multitude of those traditions and ceremonies vvherevvith they as Rulers haue burdened the church and by vvhich the vvord of God hath bene made of none effect So that novv neither the Romish nor English Bishops vvill endure that the scriptures should be alledged in these points of their Hierarchie traditions and many as vvell of the Princes and Clergie as of the common people seeing the name and office of a Bishop in the Scriptures are contented vvith the Bishops to take it for graunted that it is meant of diocessan Bishops that the gouernment of the church vvas in the nevv Testament giuen to them not to Elders or at least as others inferre As the church vvas enlarged vnder the old title of bishops a nevv order of gouernment might be ordained by counsailes of men and authoritie of Emperours and kings for the better gouernment of the church As if any thing could be better deuised or bring forth better fruite then the ordinance of God vvho hath punished that presumption vvith so ill fruites of it to make vs see the contrarie or as if the Testament of God vvere insufficient and he had not as sufficientlie prouided for his church in this point as in others He vvill teach vs at length to knovv the tree by the fruit and that these great places in the Hierarchie are but meere baites to corrupt men and make them to please such bishops and courtiers as can aduance them ofters bribes vvrest the Scriptures for the Hierarchie Arminiaisme and such popish points traditions and ceremonies as make the vvord of God of none effect Neither is it any reasoning from the time of Augustin and those fathers that savv Diocessan Bishops and said not much against them but rather seemed to thinke their vse tollerable and proffitable and them to be hereticks that denied it beeing established by councels 1. Because the povver of Bishops as vve proued in those daies vvas nothing like that they novv haue but as one saith as vnlike as the povver of the Duke of Venice in the Senate is to that vvhich some Monarch hath in his dominions and ouer his subiects 2. Those Fathers had not seene such fruits of it in Antichrist and Antichristian povver as vve haue and so vvhat it is to take such a custome or an ordinance of a Concell for a good vvarrant So many traditions and superstitious rites

this place It vvilbe obiected that many learned English men hold better vvith the Episcopall gouernment I ansvvere the necessitie of conformitie imposed on them furnisheth them vvith arguments to that purpose They knovv the Bishops can not looke to all things necessarie in euerie parish But say they there are church vvardens side men They might adde vvhose office serues to litle but to looke to the obseruation of their traditions and ceremonies and therefore not for the kingdome of God but for the dominion of Bishops they are but a mockerie of the Eldership They knovv that if the parish be full of prophane Svvearers drunkards fornicators extortioners defrauders and the like all these in their turnes may come to be churchvvardens If they be but conformable to ceremonies and do but speake vvell of the booke of common praier though they haue no true loue to preaching and hearing of the vvord vvhereby knovvledge faith and other graces are vvrought in the soule but scorne and mocke them that haue they yet thinke themselues the better subiects the better Christians yea fitter to be churchvvardens then professors and the Bishops finding them to be a bridle to such religious spirits are vvell contented kow●ng such ignorant conformists are fittest for their turnes If the person or curate be also a Droane a non resident or a good fellovv there is a flock strangely gouerned such are not apt for the kingdome of God the blind can not leade the blind the drunkard reforme drunkards These vvill neuer informe the Bishop of corruption in manners much lesse in doctrine such as shames the Christian profession And if they did he is but one he can not looke to things in euerie flock to knovv euerie sheepe as Elders may in one congregation If men had not the ceremonies and seruice to serue them for an intire religion or a cloake of one they could not for shame but make some profession of loue to the vvord good conuersation If there vvere but three or fovver religious men in a parish to be the officers their example might moue the rest such could not be scorned as they are In the reformed churches men are ashamed to scorne professors if they did they should be reckoned prophane and soone be questioned it vvould not serue them to say they loue the common praiers they should soone be taught to knovv that He that turnes away his eare from hearing of the law his praier shal be abhominable Pro. 28.9 3. By all this vvee may see that those abuse the vvorld vvho for the authoritie of English Bishops and the Hierarchie there alledge the succession of lames at Ierusalem of Peter at Antioch of Marke at Alexandria of Timothie at Ephesus Titus in Creete For vvee see there vvere no such Lord Bishops Courts Chancellours and proceedings as are novv The Apostles oft staied in these places and looked to things as generall officers in all churches but vsed no such Ep●sc pall authoritie as ours doe vvho come not in by the word that is by Christ the Doore but clim vp another vvay by the traditions Ioh. 10. and corruptions of men like theeues that come to steale to fle●ce and not to feede the flock Ciuill gouernments may vpon good reasons be altered a nevv sor● of officers ordained But Christ that changeth not set officers in his kingdome to gouerne and therein the perfit forme of his kingdome the church is a kingdome vvhich can not be shaken Timothie vvas an Euangelist Heb. 12.28 but hath no successours in that office noe more can the Apostles in theirs they left to seuerall congregations the choice of Presbyters consuring of offendours and debating of matters as is alreadie proued Other successours they haue not * To gouerne Bellarm. de clericis l. 1. c. 14. as Papists are ans●vered for Peters being at Rome To as good purpose Bellarmin and others thinke to make men ●lee from this opinion as from a monster by s●ying it vvas the herisie of Aerius Medinae cited by Bellarmin affirmes that S. Hierom vvas herein vvholly of the opinion of the Aerians and that not only S. Hierom vvas in that heresie but also Ambrose Augustine Sedulius Primasius Chrysostom Theodoret Oecumemus and Theophilius And so saith Medina the opinion of those fathers otherwise verie holy and expert in the holy Scriptures vvas by the church first condemned in Aerius then in the VValdenses and lastly in Iohn vvicklife And againe Of old therefore this opinion vvas dissembled and tollerated in Hierom and those Greeke Fathers for their honour and reuerence contrariwise in the hereticks because they are also estranged from the church in other things it hath bene alwaies condemned as hereticall Bellarmine sticks not to say Medina wanted vvit Hist of the counc of Trent pag. 591. in being thus plaine knowing it had bene maintained in Trent that men vvould be ready to affirme if this be not heresie in Hierom and those other fathers neither can it be iustlie called so in Aerius vvho liued in the same times VVhich Kemnitius spares not to manifest Examen conc Trid. shevving that it vvas an ordinarie trick in those times vvhen they could not ansvvere a mans arguments to disgrace him vvith the name of heresie Bellarmin saith Vbi supra That all the fathers constantly taught that bishops suceede the Apostles Presbyters the 70. disciples I ansvvere 1. vvee haue proued the contrarie out of Hierom others 2. That Presbyters who are Bishops may succeede the Apostles Mat. 28.20 as they vvere Pastors and Elders of any church as Peter and Iohn call themselues and as Timothie and Titus vvere and so that may be vnderstood I am vvith you alvvaies to the end of the vvorld in their successours as they vvere Pastors Teachers and Elders but not as they vvere Apostles and so ouer Titus Timothie and all Elders For to be an Apostle is to be sent immediatly from God to haue an Embassage from him and as a maister builder to lay the foundation for others to build vpon 1. Cor. 3.10 Tit. 1.5 to ordaine and appoint things as Paul did This did the Apostles in their Gospels Epistles and Acts. But this can not Bishops do for they are not so sent immediatly from God hauing an immediate embassage they haue theirs from the Apostles and Prophets and so mediately Neither are they maister builders to lay a fondation for others to build vpon though they oft assume it in imposing their traditions and rites for lavves for other foundation can no man lay then that is laide vvhich is Iesus Christ. Therfore the Apostles can noe othervvise haue Successours then as they vvere Pastors and Elders that must be in teaching the same * Gal. 1.8 noe other doctrine Medina alledged by Bellarmin * Vbi supra saith The hereticks the vvaldenses vsed the testimonie of Hierom they therefore and Hierom vvere of one opinion that is that the church

vvere not then inuented much lesse proposed as lavves by the Episcopall povver 3. That it is no reasoning from the consent or continuance of the fathers if the institution be not vvarrantable by Gods vvord Neither they nor a generall Councell nor Emperours kings can make that to be ex iure diuine vvhich is not so by Gods Testament Men vvill not presume to make other Ouerseers to a mans Testament then he hath appointed to see it performed much lesse ought they to doe it to Gods as they haue in ordaining diocessan Bishops and suffering them to obscure and annihilate those places of scripture vvherein God giues the Ecclesiasticall gouernment to the Presbyters or sacrilegiously to vsurpe and applie them to any gouernment so contrarie to the Eldership as that of the Hierarchie is These passages of the nevv Testament are the letters Patents of the Presbyterie and yet diocessan Bishops doe not only vsurpe them as Papists doe some places for the Pope and make them serue to authorise a contrary gouernment most pernicious to the ordinance of God but quite exclude the Presbyters to vvhome they vvere granted from the gouernment and from that effectuall povver in Synods vvhich is due to them not to Bishops vvho could not vvell be opposed in the Nicene Councell because the hurt and vvrong that Bishops doe to Christ● kingdome could not be so manifest to Constantine and his ●onnes nor so euident in the time of Cyprian and Atha●asius as it vvas since or novv is Euen as the Lion or Leo●ard doth but litle harme vvhile it is but a litle vvhelpe For ●●deed they had not such dominion ouer Presbiters nor ●●ch courts Chancellours Officials Dea●es povver in pro●●ues of vvilles and Testaments much lesse in forbidding ●he defence of the truth against Pelagians nor such Rules ●nd ceremonies to suspend and silence about surplesses ceremonies c. Neither can the church giue it them much ●●sse some in Synods that beare the name of the church if ●he things giuen and commanded be against the kingdome ●nd ordinance of God or make religion rediculous and the word of none effect as may be said of the Hierarchie and ●ome ceremonies As namely that in baptising an Infant they should signe ●im vvith the signe of the crosse in token that he shall not be shamed to confesse the faith of Christ and manfully to fight ●nder his banner against sinne c. and yet vvhen he comes page he is prohibited to contend for that faith against Arminian and popish errours yea a minister is also forbidden ●o doe it though at his ordination he is made to promise to be ready vvith all diligence to banish See the ordering of Bishops Priests c. and driue away all ●rronious strange doctrines contrarie to Gods vvord VVhat ●●ockeries are these And novv in these daies of the churches ●rouble persecution haue the English that stand so much ●or these signes and ceremonies proued better souldiers of Christ in such cases as that of the Palatinate and the like ●hen they of other churches that haue them not or haue ●hey not rather proued vvorse Doe they more feare God ●re they more obedient to his ordinances and keepe the ●hurch more vncorrupt then those Protestants that vveare ●o surplesses bovv not to the Altar nor kneele not vvhen they receiue Surely not more but lesse Such a one as Doctor Lambe or other prophane men amidst all their knovvne abhominations may liue in more peace vvith them then one that vvithout iust cause they call a Puritain God is much better pleased vvhen churches and their learned defenders are more in deedes and lesse in such signes of humaine inuention as are but meere mockeries and burdens That ancient Bishops and Synods haue vsed and ordained these the like things is no warrant for them For you may see the case of the ancient Bishops in their successions by the English and their most learned defenders vvho as manie novv liuing haue seene because they receiued not the loue of the Truth 2. Thes 2. in matter of the Eldership traditions and ceremonies but their * Isa 29. feare toward God hath in these cases bene taught by the precepts of men therefore God hath giuen them ouer to beleeue some popish and Arminian lies and because they receiue not the loue of the truth in those matters of Arminianisme wherin also their feare toward God is taught by the precepts of men God must needes giue them ouer to stronger delusions to beleeue vvorse things the vvisdome of their vvise and learned men must needes be more and more hid and perishing and they must needes fall more and more into earthly polecies practises and factions to colour and maintaine vvhat they haue done amisse and to hold vp and increase their povver against parliaments and all their opposers vvhich is not to preserue order but to confound it nor to be true but false helpers to kings and States vvhereby Romish religion is more helped then the Protestant the House of Austria then the house of God the greate vvhore then the reformed churches and all true effectuall confederacie vvith those churches against the common enemie is hindred for indeed to desire Romes ouerthrovv vvere to seeke their ovvne in that vvhich is Romish they can not truly loue them that are gouerned by Presbiters 2. Cor. 6.10 for vvhat communion hath light vvith darknes Hence it is that forraigne Protestants vvho trusting to ●he helpe of the English haue suffered for it and in steade of helpe haue seene many dangerous diuisions in English par●iaments and counsailes vvhich could not haue bene so carried avvay but by the helpe and counenance of the Bishops ●ay that these euils in England and all others that by these meanes haue be allen the reformed churches haue sprung from the English prelacie Hierarchie vvhich bring forth ●uch Protestants Bishops vvhich maintaine a nevvtrall or mixed religion partly popish in the Hierarchie traditions and ceremonies maintained vvith most zeale partly of the reformed in points of faith lesse regarded and partly of Arminianisme lately receiued all vvhich makes them luke-vvarme Laodiceans or nevvters that as much helpe the one side as the other in treaties leagues succours c. And so the Prelates vvith their Hierarchie and traditions are like to the ●iuer Euphrates that ran betvveene Babylon her enemies vvatered both sides hindred the surprising of her as these must needes doe the sacking of Rome till their dominion ●iches that makes them thus corrupt be taken avvay their ●euenues turned to better vses And therefore their saying against vs that this is Cham like to discouer the nakenes of ones Father or mother 1. Sam. 6.16 2 Sam. 6. vvith the Bethshemites to prie into the Arke vvith Vzzah that offered to support it to meddle in things that belong not to vs but to the Bishops there must be such to preserue order and all the other parts