vnto vs the sufficiency Scripâ— Thirdly such as forbid any addition to or detraction from the Scripture Fourthly such as condemne all Doctrine taught either without or besides the Scripture Rhemists 15 Acts â— The Papists say the church may coyne new articles of faith What authority the Church hath about articles of Faith Hyper 6â— Hyper 54. Secondly that the Church make any booke to bee Canonicall Scripture Which the Papists hould this confuted by diuers reasons Thirdly that the Church hath power to deuise adde diminish or alter any part of Gods worship which the Church of Rome hath done prooued by diuerse things Fourthly concerning customes The fathers iudgement concerning customes Fifthly concerning traditions How and in what sense tradition is to bee receiued Answers to the Popish tenent concerning tradititions Answer 1. Ob. Answer wherin is shewed that the Baptisme of Infants the change of the Sabbath and that so many bookes are Canonicall Scripture and are not had by tradition but proued by good consequence out of the Scripture Answ 2. Answ 3. Their proofe out of 2 Thes 2.15 Answe Answ 4. The scripture the so onely rule of saith acknowledged to bee by all Churches generally Secondly the Scripture is the onely tryall of euery truth How euery matter of substance is to be found in the Scripture Concerning Churches power in matters of circumstance and they are of two sortes one of miracles and what is to be helde concerning the same Secondly of discipline and this is of two sorts either matter of dâ—scipline which is spoken of before or secondly matter of ceremonies and what the church hath power to doe therein The bounds the Church is to keepe in ordaining matters of ceremony 1. 2. Vse 2. 1. The ninth generall point concerning the Church viz. the application of all that hath bin spoken to all visible Churches in christendome that I know of The generall diuision of all churches that haue beene or are since our Sauiours time into Easterne and WesteÌ„rne and this according to their scâ—tuation Secondly according to their language and so some be greek and some latin Churches VVhether Schismaticall or hereticall Churches may be accounted true visible Churches What a Schismatike church is Hereticall Churches First what they are and when any particular man is to be reputed an Heretike Heresies of 2. sorts first such as ouerthrow the foundation What this fundation is Resol Those that deny directly this foundation or any part thereof cease to bee Christians and are no more visible Churcher The Greeke Churches be here spoken of and what weare to thinke of them 1. of the Greeke Churches generally disperse in most at the Easterne parts of the world Ortelius 100. Ortelius 97. 98. 108. Secondly the Greeke Churches which are more particularly and properly so called and what we are to hold of them deliuered in an obseruation Doct. The mayne error of the Greeke Churches The Greeke Churches better then the Popish-Church The Papists vnchatarible censuring the Greeke Churches answered The Greeke Churches not guâ—lty of Schisme from Rome The Greeke Churches neuer subiect to the Romane Church One note of the Church as the Papists account it is found in the Greeke Church viz succession of Bishops The goodnes of God in perseruing of his Churches seene in the Greeke Churches vnder the Turke The miseries of the Greeke Church vnder the Turke in many particulars in regard of their persecutions in regard of the Religion of the Turks The Religion of the Turks 1. a pestilent Religion directly opposite to Christ 2. It ouerspreadeth a great part of the knowne world 3. It is a pleasing Religion For what it was that the Lord suffered such famous Churches to come to ruine applied to vs. The Western churches and first of those that acknowledge the Pope their head as the Church of Rome and those that hold with her and what maâ— be said and held of her deliuered in two obseruations The church of Rome as now it standeth may in some sense be reputed a true visible Church A differenâ—e betweene the papacy or the popâ—sh â—action and some better spirits amongst them in regard of whom the whole may be called a true Church The popish church doth not directly deny any part of the fundation but in outward shew of words affirme it The church of Rome hath beene a true Church The Papists by their Doctrine of iustification by workes must ouerthrow the foundation they by this ouer throw Christ not directly but by consequence Quest Answ It is not so great a sin to deny Christ directly as by consequence yet hee that doth this deserueth to be cut off from Gods mercy The Church of Rome compared with the Church of Israel 2. with the Church of the Iewes in our Sauiours times With the Church of Galatia Circumcision doth as neerely by consequence cut off from Christ as iustification by workes with the of Church Sardis Baptisme a true Sacrament in Rome and rightly administred there for the substance of it Those that were Baptised in the Church of Rome were lawfully Baptised Ob 1. Answ Ob. 2. Answ The ordinati of our Ministers from the Church of Rome and yet a lawfull ordination The question where the Church was before Luthers time answered The inconuenience preuented by acknowledging that the Church of Rome may be accounted a true Church What to thinke of our fathers that liued in the Popish Church They of the Popish Chuâ—ch are to â—e â—udâ—ed rather mis-beleeuers then vnbeleeuers The 2. Obseruation wherein is further delired what may be sayd and held further of the church of Rome The Church of Rome so corrupt that it is not lawfull to ioyne with her This that is spoken against thee is in respect of the Pope and Popish factors Corruption of the Church of Rome reduced to 2. sorts 1. matter of Doctrine reduced to 1. part of the Doctrine Foure heads 1 concerning Scriptures And their error therein Three things 1 denying the sufficiency of the Scripture 2 Perâ—erting the truth of the Scripture 3 Disanulling the authorâ—ty and credit of the Scripture many wayes 1 teaching the apochryphaâ—l bookes to be canonicall Scripture Secondly equalling traditions of men with the written word of God Thirdly preferring the authority of the Church aboue the Scripture Two heads wherein they orre in matter of Doctrine viz concerning the direct offices of the Mediator The Papists say there bee many mediators betwixt God and man The distinction of mediators of intercession and redemption answered Two things in a Mediator To be mediator of intercession is peculiar to Christ as well as to be mediator of redemption The popish shâ—ft off praying to the Saints not as helpers but as intercessor Answered The popish reason for praying to the Saints departed drawn from our desiâ—ing the Saints on earth to pray for vs Answered The third head wherein the church of Rome erreth in doctrine and that is concerning Images The church of Rome an abominable whore deseruing
bookes by the Scripture and not make any so of her selfe for this she cannot doe The third Position is this That as the Church cannot make any booke Canonicall which is not so of it selfe for she hath no power to deuise adde diminish or alter any part of Gods worship outward passages of Gods worship are much in her power as we shall see hereafter but that she may ordaine any part of his worship besides Scripture or affixe remission of sins or other supernaturall effects to the obseruations and ceremonies which she deuiseth all this is but will-worship hatefull to God and expresly forbidden Col. 2.23 Intolerable hath beene the presumption of the Church of Rome in both these For first they haue ordained besides Scripture Images satisfactons new Sacraments new intercessours new propitiatory sacrifices and sundry other parts of Gods worship and seruice Secondly euen to ceremonies of their owne deuising as to crossings processions ringing of Bels pennance and such like they haue ascribed forgiuenes of sinnes driuing away of Deuils and such like gracious effects wherein consists no small part of Gods worship The fourth point is concerning the customes of the Church custome we know preuailes much in matter of practice and many times they are very approuable and not to be varyed from but vpon good occasion yet in matters of Religion yeelding to customes hath bred much inconuenience as wee see amongst vs profaning the Sabbath by playing and walking in the streets and in the fields after the exercises is growen to such a custome as that men thinke it no sinne and so in other things And to speake plainely customes are but a carnall motiue apt to ouer sway the naturall man but of themselues besides Scripture they are no spirituall motiues to the true Beleeuer The ancient fathers tye vp customes in Religion thus short that they must be agreable to the truth so that where truth and customes agree there they are to be admitted else to be reiected Now what is truth Our Sauiour saith Gods Word is truth Iohn 17 17. then if there be any customes in matters of Religion besides the Scriptures which are the truth they must be abolished euen by the Iudgement of the Fathers whom the Papists would seeme to alleadge for these things yea but say they the Apostle Paul alleadgeth custome 1 Cor. 11.16 but how doth he alleadgeth them Against contentions because contentions are against the Word of God so that custome besides Scripture is nothing worth The last point is for matter of traditions Traditions are one mine Piller of Popery and if they leaue them once they will quickly leaue their Religion too Now if we vnderstand traditions in a general sense It intends the whole Doctrine of Saluation which from time to time hath beene deliuered from the fore fathers to the children of the Church And so we willingly embrace traditions as being the Doctrine contained in the word and so the speeches of many of the ancients are to bee expounded and doe make for traditions But in the particular sense as the Popish Church intends them that is vnwritten verities and matters besides Scripture then so there is no building on them If they be verities it is more then we know and being vnwritten we haue no warrant to receiue them to his point we say first eyther there were no such traditions at all or secondly if there were yet they were needlesse considering the sufficiency of the Scripture thirdly if they were needfull yet they were vncertaine lastly if they were certaine yet certainely they were but the words of men and not certainely the word of God First eyther there were none at all I meane for matter of substance yes say they for substance ye haue something by tradition as the Baptisme of Infants the change of the Sabbath and that so many bookes are Canonicall Scripture c. We Answer wee haue not these by tradition for they may sufficiently be proued by good consequence out of the Scripture As first for the Baptisme of Infants we haue the example of our Sauiour in Marke 10.14 And secondly for the Canon of Scripture we haue that place 2 Tim. 3.16 the whole Scripture is giuen by Inspiration from God c. yea but what place in the word saith that so many bookes are Canonicall I Answer euery booke beares witnesse of it selfe and this place of them all that they are Canonicall Thirdly for the change of the Sabbath we haue Reu. 1.10 where it is called the Lords day so that we haue Scripture enough for these things to satisfie an humble minded man that is not contentious Secondly if there were any such yet they were needlesse for supposing the sufficiency of Scripture which we haue proued before what neede vnwritten traditions besides Scripture Indeed before the Word of saluation was committed to writing It was needfull that it should be deliuered by word of mouth from man to man but the word being now written and hauing beene now written these 1610. yeeres and as much written as euer shall be what haue we to doe with traditions besides Scripture Thirdly if they were necessary yet they are vncertaine for how shall I know that the Apostles deliuered ought by tradition or that the Churches after them be they either de facto or de iure For that which is alleadged from the Apostle in the 2 Thess 2.15 keepe the Instructions yee haue bin taught eyther by word or by Epistle whereupon they say the Apostle left traditions and Epistle I Answere these words doe not imply any diuersity in the things he taught but onely in the manner of deliuery looke what he preacht he writte And whatsoeuer can be alleaged for the Churches after them is but the testimony of man we must know it by history and what certainety is there in that to repose my Saluation vpon Lastly if they were certaine yet all this while they were but certaine the traditions of men and certainely not the Word of God And therefore here is the damnable presumption of the Papists that they by name call them the Word of God vnwritten equall them both in authority to binde the conscience in necessity to be beleeued and obeyed with the written word common sence and reason which is endued but with the least touch of Religion will easily decide this controuersie If we adde heere to determination of councels consent of fathers decrees of Popes and other patches and faynings of Popish Religion the conclusion must be this that either there were none such or if there were they were not beside Scripture but according to it or else if they were besides Scripture then they were no matter of substances nor Saluation nor to be receiued as such The second Vse is for Instruction to teach vs what Vse 2 it is that our faith must be framed by and what euery truth is to be tryed by And that is
Esa 9.21 And so the Papist is against the Seperatist and the Seperatist against the Papist and both against our Church of England Each of them crying out with open mouth against the Church of England and our standing therein And the Papist thinks wee cannot iustifie our selues against their exceptions but that we must incline to the Seperatists And the Seperatists boast that wee cannot acquit our selues of their exceptions but that wee must incline to Popery here then is our present taske how to deliuer our selues from both these Aduersaries that we may fall foule on neither they doe not assault vs both in the same kinde nor about one and the same thing Each of them haue their seuerall Quarrell and each doe mannage a seuerall fight against vs and therefore we must frame our seuerall defences accordingly against them The Papist hee strikes mainely against our Religion the very life of our Church The Seperatist strikes specially at the State of our Church The exceptions of the Papist is the more dangerous but yet altogether vniust and vntrue that of the Seperatist may seeme to haue some more colour of Truth in some points but is much lesse dangerous First wee will beginne with the Papist as being the ancienter enemy of the two and his Quarrell the greater And because he excepts against our Religion we will ballance their Religion and ours together and so put the matter to triall and ioyne in this Issue whether their Religion be better then ours or our Religion better then theirs And because false Ballances are an abomination to the Lord we will disclaime them Carnall Reason outward Pompe plausible shewes and probabilities are deceitfull waights not fit for this vse Let vs bring them to the Scales of the Sanctuary and examine them by the equall and true waights of the Lord himselfe that is by such spirituall and sound considerations as the holy things of God are to be esteemed and tried by it were tedâ—ous if not infinite to reckon vp all the diffâ—rences betwixt them and vs I will therefore cull out six or seauen of the principall for Instances and thereby yee may iudge of the rest And I will weigh them in foure exceptionlesse Ballances and make it plaine God willing in euery one of these six or seauen Instances by euery of these foure Ballances that our Religion will hold waight full waight downe to the ground and that theirs is too light not worthy to be brought to the Beame The foure Ballances that wee will weigh these Instances in are first the Ballance of Gods glory Secondly the Ballance of Gods Word Thirdly the Ballance of true holinesse Fourthly the Ballance of peace of conscience The Instances of the differences betwixt them and vs which we will weigh in these Ballances are these The first is of the sufficiency of Scripture and the absolute Authority it hath aboue the Church and Traditions The second is of Gods free grace against mans freewill The third is of iustification by faith alone against mans of merits The fourth is of Christ our onely Aduocate against other Intercessors The fifth is of the spirituall worship of God against Images The sixth is of our Communion against their Masse The last instance is of our carriage of the meanes of saluation in open sight and plaine dealing that all may looke into them with their owne eyes against their carriage of all in a cloud and shaddow and huckurmucker of these in order And first let vs weigh these seuen Instances in the first Ballance and that is the Ballance of Gods Glory For that is the best and truest Religion of God that tends most directly and intirely to Gods Glory All that wee doe must bee framed and referred to Gods glory 1 Cor. 10.31 specially our Religion Col. 3.16.17 And if men should deuise a Religion for any God true or false they would resoule That that were the best Religion whereby that God to whom it is erected might bee most glorified yea our very Religion it selfe what is it But our worshipping of beleeuing in calling vpon and obeying God which is nothing else but our very glorifying of God But the Religion professed by the Church of England doth most directly and intirely tend to Gods Glory and the Popish Religion doth not but contrarily it tends to his Dishonour and therefore our Religion is the true Religion of God theirs is not as wee shall see in these Instances The first is concerning the sufficiency of Scripture and the absolute authority thereof aboue the Church and Traditions put this into the Ballance of Gods Glory and admit as we doe that the Scripture is sufficient in it selfe and hath absolute Authority aboue the Church and Traditions and see how Gods Glory is thereby aduanced for thereby God is acknowledged to haue prouided most bountifully and sufficiently for his Church a perfect rule of faith and life that needes no addition and thereby God shall rule by his owne will and Lawes and bee worshiped by his owne ordinances onely all which are matters of Gods greatest honour But deny this as the Papists doe and preferre or equall the Church with the Scripture and mingle Traditions with Gods Word and all this Glory shall be much ecclipsed The second Instance is of Gods free-grace against mans free-will Admit that all the good we do or haue proceeds meerely from the grace and Spirit of God without any will or towardlinesse to good in our selues And the Lord is thereby rightly and truely glorified If wee haue no sufficiency of our selues no not to thinke well but that the will and the deede be both from Gods grace If we haue nothing in Abilty or desire or endeuour but as wee are effectually mooued by the Spirit then the whole glory of our working which is the greatest honour we can here doe to God is wholly ascribed vnto God alone But deny this as the Papists doe and auouch that there is some freedome in our owne will to good then God doth the lesse for vs and so doth the lesse glorifie himselfe on vs extoll man in this corrupt estate and dishonour God but dishonour man herein and extoll God The third Instance is of Iustification by faith alone against mans merits If it be said as we say That wee are iustified by faith alone without mans merits and we yeeld to Christ Iesus the glory and prerogatiue of our alone and all-sufficient Sauiour and we magnifie his righteousnesse as being of that infinite worth and power in and by it selfe as to make vs truely and perfectly righteous that beleeue it which as his proper due is directly assigned of his father and iustly challenged by himselfe and worthily obtained by his doings sufferings and victory But say as the Papists doe that wee doe merit some fauour with God by our owne good works and then we detract from Christs glory and make men compartners together with Christ in this glorious worke
of Iustification The fourth Instance is concerning Christ our onely Aduocate against other Intercessors Say with vs that Christ alone presents our suits to God and makes them auaileable with God and that he is to be called vpon as our onely Intercessor and then we giue him the due honour of his place office of Mediatorship Ioh. 14.13 For his Intercession is a speciall part of that office as well as Redemption wherein if he be acknowledged to bee as we make him our alone Intercessor he is much magnified But if others be ioyned with him as they make it hee is much disparaged as being not sufficient of himselfe but needs others helpe or at least in that office being but of smaller moment such as the Saints might mannage well enough And so not Christ onely but God the Father also is much dishonoured that would put his owne Sonne to that which meaner persons might doe as well as hee The fifth Instance is concerning the spirituall worship of God against Images Let vs worship God as we teach onely in Spirit and Truth without an Image and he is rightly and truely worshipped being serued as he is a most glorious Spirit free from any matter or forme or outward apprehension and impossible to be expressed by any sensible Representation whatsoeuer But worship him in or by an Image as they teach and practise and we cannot but defile our selues and in some sort the Lords great maiesty to our selues by many grosse carnall bodily and materiall thoughts and imaginations wholly mis-beseeming the purity of Gods nature being and maiesty as if hee were a carnall bodily or manly God then which nothing can bee more contrary to his nature and will and so not more derogatory to his glory The sixth instance is of our Communion against their Masse Celebrate the memoriall of Christs death as we doe in the holy Sacrament of the Lords Supper and the Sacrifice of Christ once offered by himselfe on the crosse is thereby aduanced and acknowledged to bee a most perfect and sufficient expiation by it selfe of all our sins hereby it is only remembred and shewed according to the institution but not repeated But celebrate the death of Christ in the Popish Masse which the Papists themselues hould to be a propitiatory Sacrifice for the quicke and the dead and how can Christ once sacrificed be more disparaged The last instance is concerning the carriage of the meanes of Saluation in open sight and playne dealing amongst vs that all may looke into them with their owne eyes against their carriage of all in a cloud and shaddow and hukermucker Let Prayer be made in a knowne tongue and wee honour God not with lips onely but with vnderstanding too but let it be made in an vnknowne tongue as it is in Popery and we dishonour God babling and prattling to him we know not what Let the Scripture bee free and common to all that euery one may reade and vnderstand and the Lord is glorified in the comfort knowledge faith and obedience of many But let the Word bee kept from the people and then they cannot know God and so cannot honour him let men haue an explicite faith to vnderstand and beleeue particularly for themselues all things necessary to saluation and they shall glorifie God in giuing a reason of the hope that is them 1 Pet. 3.15 But if they be content with an implicite faith onely to beleeue as the Church beleeues they shall dishonour God in their blindnesse and ignorance and hardly shall the Lord be glorified in their Saluation God is iealous of his owne glory and so must all that professe his name and the more iealous we are of that and zealous for it the more truely Religious we are If wee bee out of our wits saith the Apostle we are it to God 2 Cor. 5.3 So we see in these seuen instances that our Religion is full weight in this ballance of Gods glory and the Religion of Popery too light not worthy to be tryed in this Beame The second ballance wherein we will try our Religion and theirs in these seuen instances is in the ballance of Gods Word for it is not enough to ayme at Gods glory in our owne intention but after his direction for hee cannot be truely glorified but so as himselfe teacheth in his word That is the best and true Religion of God thaâ— is most agreeable to Gods Word and that is the worst that most disagrees with Gods Word Leuit. 18.4.5 ye shall doe after my iudgements and seeke mine ordinances And Iohn 5.39 Search the Scriptures Mat. 15.9 In vaine they worshipme teaching for doctrine mens precepts And 1 Ioh. 4.5 he that knoweth God heareth vs c where is Gods Religion to be found but in Gods book As the Iewes religion is found in their talmud the Turkes in their Alcoan But the religion professed in our Church is most agreeable to Gods Word and the Religion of Popery is not agreeable thereto therfore our Religion is the true Religion That ours is most agreeable to Gods Word not theirs see it in the first instance The sufficiency of Scripture and the absolute authority it hath aboue the Church and traditions this is agreeable to that in the 2 Tim. 3.16 17. for the whole Scripture is giuen by inspiration from God and is profitable to teach to conuince to correct and to instruct in righteousnes that the man of God may be absolute being made perfect vnto all good workes And Iohn 10.27 my sheepe heare my voyce and I know them and they follow me and 5. Verse they will not follow a stranger but flye from him for they know not the voyce of strangers For that which the Papists alleadge for the Church that shee is to bee heard Matth. 18.17 It is to be vnderstood subordinately to the word that is so farre as the Church is aduised by God in his Word and for that which they alleadge for traditions out of the 2 Thes 2.15 keepe the instructions which ye haue beene taught eyther by word or by Epistle by word and Epistle are meant one and the same thing onely the manner of deliuery was diuers sometimes by word sometimes by Epistle And seeing the authority of the Church aboue the Scripture and traditions bee each of them a disparagment to the word except the word should disparage it selfe which no wise man can imagine there is no seeking for any warrant for them within the word The second instance Gods free grace against mans free will Our Religion teacheth according to Gods Word Phil. 2.13 that it is God which worketh in vs both the will and the deed And 2 Cor. 3.5 that we are not sufficient of our selues to thinke any thing as of our selues but our sufficiency is of God And Ier. 31.18 Conuert thou me And there is no colour of any one direct place to the contrary in all the Scripture There are some
against his Annointed it is to no purpose they shall not preuaile it is all but the imagination of a vaine thing Psal 2.1 Yet I wil tell them what they shal preuaile in they shal preuaile thus farre to make the Church more in number and more zealous for God and constant in his truth contrary to their end For behold when they haue done what they can against the faithfull when they haue burnt them to ashes God will raise out of those very ashes a new seed to call vpon his Name and the blood of the Saints shed shall fatten the Church and make it more fruitfull and be a cause of the greater increase of the Faithfull It is a vaine thing therefore for them to threaten them and to say as many times they doe that they will root out these Professors It is more then they can do nay it is more then the Diuell their good Master can doe himselfe and therefore let them neuer thinke to doe it Fiftly this teacheth vs not to Iudge of the Church by Vse 5 sight or appearance It hath a being euen when it can hardly be discerned rest rhou vpon this vndoubted Truth that surely such an one there is where or how c. leaue that to God for it may be hid from our sight euen as the Corne is amongst the chaffe so that we cannot discerne it and yet it may haue a being And so much for that Point Now wee come to speake of the third Point namely of the Church of God consisting of men in heauen and in earth together I will describe it by certaine qualities and circumstances such as may present and make it plaine to euery mans view And because it is an Article of our Faith and now that we are entred into it it is needfull to speake of all that is necessary for vs to beleeue concerning this Point therefore we will fetch these qualities from that Article in the Creede that concernes the Church I beleeue the holy Catholike Church and I will reduce all the matter we are here to speake of to these sixe Heads First that the Church is one secondly that it is holy thirdly that it is Catholike Fourthly that it is ioyned to Christ Fiftly that they haue a Communion one with another and sixtly that they are knowne onely to God and themselues and all these are raised out of the Article in the Creed That it is one therefore it is said the Church not Churches and the Nicen Creed which was penned after this saith I beleeue one That it is holy and Catholike so it is said in expresse wordes that it is ioyned to Christ and that they haue a Communion among themselues both these are intended when it is said they are a Communion of Saints Lastly that they are knowne onely to God and themselues How is this gathered hence Why thus because it is said I beleeue it Now that which wee beleeue is not seene and therefore this Article must not be expounded of a visible Church as the Papists would haue it Doctr. Now first of the first note It is but one for so the Nicen Creed for plainenesse sake ads this particle one We will draw it into an obseruation and that is this namely That all the faithfull that euer were or shall be either in heauen or in earth doe make vp but one onely Church It is prooued thus The Scripture when it speakes of the true Church in the generall true nature of it speakes in the singular number Eph. 5.27 32. that he might make it a glorious Church c. This I speake concerning Christ and concerning his Church And Math. 16.18 vpon this Rocke will I build my Church It is true that the Scripture speakes sometime in the plurall number of Churches as the Apostle Paul 1. Cor. 11.16 we haue no such custome nor the Churches of God but then it speakes of particular visible Congregations but of the generall Catholike Church it speakes alwayes in the singular number as being but one and so expressely ascribes onenesse to it Cant. 6 8. Christ saith to his Church My Loue my Doue c. Eph. 4.4 there is one body c. The Church hath a threefold onenesse it is one in it selfe it is one with Christ and it hath an onenesse amongst the members In this place we speake but of the onenesse it hath in it selfe of the other two we shall speake in their due place That it is one in it selfe therefore it is called the house of God not houses the temple of God not temples as in the time of the Law there was but one Tabernacle and afterwards but one Temple whereto all the people came Leuitic 17.3 4. Deut. 21 5. and 16.2 2. Chron. 2.4 so now there is but one onely Church of the faithfull Reas 1 The Reasons of the Point are these The first is taken out of Ephes 4.4 5. there are many reasons heaped together there is but one Spirit therefore but one Church as there is but one soule and therefore but one man There is but one hope at which all Gods people ioyntly aime and therefore they are one corporation one Lord and therefore one family one Faith which is the life of the Church and if there be but one life then there can be but one Church one Baptisme and therefore but one Promise and Couenant which all doe make to God as one man Secondly the Church is the Body of Christ Ephes 5.23 Reas 2 and Christ he is the Head of the Church and therefore as there is but one Christ so there is but one Church else wee should make a monster of Christ to say he hath one head and many bodies Againe the Church is the Spouse of Christ and he is her Husband as is implyed Vers 25. Now Christ should haue many wiues if there were many Churches which is absurd and therefore there is but one Church still Thirdly they haue all one Shepheard and therefore they Reas 3 are all but one Sheepefold Ioh. 10.16 Fourthly they are all partakers of one Bread and therefore Reas 4 but one body 1. Cor. 10.17 Fifthly all the differences that are betwixt them are abolished Reas 5 by Christ and therefore they are but one Ephes 2.14 Gal. 3.28 The Vses are these First this teacheth vs the vnchangeablenesse Vse 1 of Gods heauenly Truth and of the course of saluation because there is but one Church still and therefore but one Truth still it is vnchangeable there is but one Truth and course of saluation from the beginning to the end of the World the dispensation or manner of carriage hath been some what different sometimes it hath been carried darkly sometimes clearely sometimes in ceremonies sometimes without ceremonies sometime by the Law sometime by the Gospell by Tradition as before the Law by reuelation and by Scripture yet the substance was euer one and the same the same Faith and course of saluation that Adam was
and so they haue these notes and markes in some degree Secondly consider in what state or sense these markes are necessarily required in the Church they should be and sometimes are in the purest and soundest Churches in an high and excellent degree There is the true Word without tradition the true Sacraments none but those that Christ instituted true obedience without resistance to any part of the knowne Will of God and answerably this true Word must bee truely and soundly preecht these Sacraments onely so administred as Christ hath commanded without any addition and this true obedience truly professed without any sinister respect And this all Churches are to pray and labour for and thus it ought to bee in all true visible Churches but yet they are generally otherwise in all visible Churches in as much as all are subiect to errors and corruptions but yet so long as the true markes are found in any visible Church though they bee not so rightly and sincerely carried as they should the same is a true Church though not so pure as some others if they haue the true Word though mixt with some errors so they be not such as ouerthrow the foundation they are a true Church though more corrupt As for example the Church of Galatia embraced the true Word but not truly preached for they taught iustification by workes Gal. 3.1 2 3. and some thinke that they were then in the state of Apostacie and yet they were a true visible Church and are so called Gal. 1.2 So secondly for the Sacraments looke into the Church of Corinth 1 Cor. 11.22 to the end of the Chapter they had the Lords Supper but it was much depraued and not so sincerely administred as it ought to haue beene and yet they were a true Church and so for the Doctrine of the Resurrection a materiall point in Religion there were some that denyed it in the Church of Corinth 1 Cor. 15.12 and yet they were a true Church Lastly for profession of obedience the Church of Sardis Revel 3.3.1 had a name that she liued but was dead they were generally in the estate of Apostacie in that Church yet because they made profession of obedience though not sincerely and because some amongst them did truly professe as in the 4. ver therefore it is called a Church I speake not this to cherish any Church in the corruptions that they are in but onely to keepe vs from an vncharitable conceit of such a Church as not to esteeme it for a true Church because the Word is not so truely preacht nor the Sacraments so rightly administred nor profession of obedience so sincerely yeelded as it ought to be Thirdly they obiect and say that these are not more Except 2 knowne than the Church and so are disabled by your own rule before given from being the principall markes I answer they must be and are better known than the Church for seeing that onely is a true Church which professeth the true Faith as wee haue shewed before therefore wee must first know which is the true Faith before wee know which is the true Church and so as they must bee more knowne so they must bee first knowne I know a visible Church as a company of men not by their faith but as a Church by their faith only and their profession of it As I know a Musitian because of his Musicke not the Musicke by the Musitian And so much for reproofe of these first sort of Aduersaries that except against this Doctrine Secondly it reproueth others that obiect and say that there are other markes required as well as these as first Loue to the Brethren I answer This is a part of their obedience which they professe Secondly say they there Except 1 must bee a lawfull Ministery I answer that is presupposed and intended in the two former markes Answ when we say Except 2 that the Word must be truly preach'd and the Sacraments rightly administred Answ Yea but say they specially Discipline Except 3 that is an essentiall marke I answer That is a good marke Answ but not essentiall the Church hath a being and a wel-being Discipline is a note of the wel-being of the Church not of the true being of it for it is no part of the essence of the Church and so it is excluded from being a necessary marke of a true Church because it is not essentiall I confesse where that Discipline wants that God calls for in his Word that so farre that Church is an imperfect Church but yet not a false Church As a man sicke of the Palsey his sinewes are weak his hands tremble his ioynts are not soundly knit together this is a crazed and diseased man not a false man So that Church that wants Discipline is not well and soundly tied together in the ioynts and so is an imperfect Church not a false Church I speake not this as I said before to cherish any Church in their corruptions for they are to labour against them but yet let vs iudge charitably and not say Such a Church is a false Church when indeed it is but a bad Church Thirdly and lastly there are other aduersaries here reproued that obiect against this Doctrine and they are the Papists They obiect and say that these markes are not the principall but others are more required than these and that as better markes They alleage foure first Antiquity secondly Succession thirdly Multitude lastly Vnity or Consent These are strange markes of a true Church First for Antiquitie can that find me out the true Church then it would follow that euery ancient Church were a true Church and so the Church amongst the Turks should be a true Church because it is ancient therefore it is Antiquity of truth not of place or people Look what Church maintaines the ancient Doctrine of truth that is the true Church so that antiquitie separated from the truth is no note of a true visible Church Caine and Satan were ancient yet no true Church but ioyne this note with the Truth The true Word preach'd which is one of our notes and then it is a true marke Secondly for Succession What succession of Bishops or of men that sit in one Chaire Is this a Note without the Word or with it If they say without the Word that is falsâ—â—f with the word then still they run vpon our notes and markes of the Church for wee say that Succession of true and sound Doctrine is a special Note of the Church Succession of it selfe is no Note it is as if a man should say This is my Horse because this is my Bridle as if his Bridle would not serue any other Horse Thirdly for multitude they make that a Note of the Church but it is quite contrary for generally the true Church is the fewest in number and for the most part the greater number are the worst and by this Rule in Christs time the Scribes and Pharises and Iewes were
that say wee haue no true Ordination we Answer that we had our ordination from the Church of Rome at the first and that being a true visible Church therefore we haue a lawfull Ministery Vse 3 Thirdly this may serue for satisfaction to that question which the Papists aske vs where was your Church before Luthers time did he erect a new church No he erected no new church but by his Ministry brought many faithfull out of their impure and vnsound Church into a more sound and pure Church not onely for matters of ceremonies for then he had beene a Schismatique to separate from them but for matters of substance so that this point well considered preuents a number of inconueniences which wee should runne into if wee should fall into that heate of zeale as to deny them to bee a true visible Church Vse 4 Fourthly this may comfort vs in respect of our fathers that haue liued in the Popish Church what shall we thinke of them that they liued in no true visible Church and therefore could not be saued far bee it from vs no we are perswaded that they liued in a true Church and that many of them where sound in those times and now saued they attained not to that high straine of Iustification by workes I would faine know whether they did not doe that they did ignorantly or whether they did challenge or disclaime their merits on their death beds many at the point of death disclaime their merits now though that point now is more stiffly defended by the Popish faction then euer it was much more did they doe it then Now to disclaime all their owne merits at their death is not that both repentance of former errors if any in that kinde and faith in Christ alone too If any beleeue in Christ crucified in truth of heart though hee hold but by the hemme of his garment shall he perish Surely no. Vse 5 Lastly this teacheth vs to vse charity towards them of the Popish Church in censuring of their estate we are not rigourously and rashly to call for fire from heauen vpon them as the Disciples would haue Christ haue done on the Samaritanes No yee know not what Spirit ye are of saith our Sauiour wee must not rashly Iudge them to bee vnbeleeuers but rather mis-beleeuers And so much for that point what in charity and yet in truth maybe said for that Church The seuen and Twentieth LECTVRE of the CHVRCH HAuing entred into the last point concerning the matter of the Church namely the application of the Doctrine of the Church to all Churches that we know in the world After we had diuided them according to their scituation and language into the Easterne and Westerne the Greeke and Latin Churches we beganne with the Easterne and Greeke Churches and so proceeded to the Westerne and Latin Churches And of them I tould you that some were vnder the yoke of the Pope and haue him to bee their head Others haue shooke off that yoke and head-shippe and are therefore called the Reformed Churches Concerning the Church of Rome that which is spoken of her may be applyed to her Adherents as is the mother â—o is the daughter as I haue said Now for the Chuâ—ch of Rome I propounded these two obseruations to be spoken to first what might be-spoken in charity for her and yet in truth and sound iudgement too and of that we haue spoken Secondly what in zeale and yet in truth and sound iudgement too may be said against it And that is it which wee are now to speake to what may be said in zeale and yet in truth and sound iugement against her A point very needfull to be well cleared and rightly vnderstood for whereas we haue deliuered in the former obseruation that the Church of Rome in some sense may rightly be reputed a true visible Church ' Euery one will be ready to except against it and say why then haue yeâ— forsaken it why doe ye not still hould communion with her what iust exception can yee alledge for your separation from her For Answere to which exception Doct. 2 I will propound in the second place this obseruation namely that howsoeuer the Church of Rome in some sense may be reputed a true visible Church yet it is maruellous vnsound and corrupt and exceedingly corrupt with many foule abuses errors and abhominations yea so corrupt as it is not lawfull nor safe for vs to communicate with her The Obseruation ye see consists of two branches the former is the ground of the latter auouching that shee is polluted with many foule abhominations the latter is an inference from the former that therefore it is not safe nor lawfull to ioyne with her The whole obseruation is to be vnderstood of that Church specially in respect of the Popish faction the Pope and his Darlings for as when wee spoke in charity for them acknowledging that in some sense they are to be reputed a true visible Church it was intended of some that were of better Spirits amongst them that are sounder in some chiefe points of Religion and that are not so obstinate in their errours as the rest So now that we come to speake in zeale against them that they are so foulely polluted that it is not safe to ioyne with them It is intended in respect of the Pope and his chiefe Darlings and factors called the Popish faction neyther is this any wrong to the Church that we so speake of the whole body in generall tearmes because the Church and faction are there mingled together in that Body as when wee come into a Barne floore and see a great deale of chaffe in the same heape with good wheat we may speake fauourably of the wheate and say there is good corne and we may speake disgracefully of it too and say it is but light stuffe We will begin with the first part of the obseruation that condemnes her corruptions And we will reduce all her corruptions to these two sorts First matter of Doctrine secondly matter of practice And though these be much incident one to the other yet for playnnesse sake we will distinguish them God willing as well as wee can First for Doctrine the point is this The Doctrine of the Church of Rome as it is at this day vnderstood and maintained by the Popish faction is very vnsound and corrupt full of grosse and abhominable errors they haue changed the truth of God into a lye light into darknesse and the Gospell of Christ the comfortable Doctrine of grace and faith into the erors of Antichrist and the damnable Doctrine of workes and merits and of mans traditions We wil not speake of all her corruptions in doctrine that were too much only we will shew it in some chiefe particulars that briefely we wil reduce them to these foure heads The first is error in Doctrine concerning the Scripture the second is concerning the direct
office of the mediator the third is concerning Images the fourth is concerning Iustification for the first which is her corruption in Doctrine concerning the Scripture which is the truth and ground of Religion they teach uery erroniously not onely that which disparageth them which yet is a presumptuous sinne but that which by consequence vtterly ouerthrows them First in that they dare deny the sufficiency of Scripture Secondly in that they peruert the truth of Scripture thirdly in that they disanulle the authority of Scripture First they deny expresly the sufficiency of Scripture whereas God hath deliuered them as a particular rule 2 Tim. 3.16 they say No It is not sufficient of it selfe they must be pieced and perfected by traditions No man dare adde to the will of a dead man and yet these are so shamelesse and presumptuous that they dare presume to adde to the sacred Testament of Iesus Christ thus they deny the sufficiency of Scripture Secondly they peruert the truth of Scripture teaching and deliuering first concerning the translation that none is to be admitted as authenâ—icall but the vulgar Latine translation which themselues confesse is sometimes faulty and doth misse of the meaning of the Holy Ghost secondly for the interpretation of Scripture they will admit of none but such as it pleaseth the fathers to giue who themselues acknowledge may and doe sometimes erre and are deceiued now to teach that an vntrue translation is the Text of Scripture and an vntrue interpretation to be the sense of Scripture what is this but to make the Scripture vntrue Third they disanull the authority and credit of the Scripture and that many wayes first teaching that the Apochryphall bookes which are knowne to containe certaine vntruthes to be Canonicall Scripture secondly equalling the traditions of men with the written Word of God and vrging them to be receiued with as great authority as the Word of God Now if the Word of God be of no more authority in matters of Saluation then the word of man it is very feeble and not worth trusting to Thirdly they goe further preferring the authority of the Church aboue the Scripture the Scripture say they is to beleeued for the authority of the Church that is as much as if they should say God is not to beleeued for his owne sayings but for the witnesse of man thus they disanull the authority and credit of the Scripture Now all these layd together see whether that may not be iustly taken vp against them which our Sauiour speaketh against the Iewes Iohn 8 47. he that is of God heareth Gods Word ye therfore heare them not because yee are not of God and Iohn 10.26.27 ye beleeue not because yee are not my sheepe my sheepe heare my voyce and I know them and they follow me Gods children heare his word and will not impeach the truth and credit of it the Popish faction will not heare it but will impeach the truth and credit of it and therefore they are none of Christs sheepe So much for their error in Doctrine concerning the scripture where wee see that their fountaines are corrupt and therefore we are like to finde but foule waters in their Channels Their second Error in Doctrine is concerning the direct office of the mediator God saith directly that there is but one Mediator betwixt God and man that is Christ 1. Tim. 2.5 they say there are many the blessed Virgin Mary and other Saints not onely praying for vs but to bee inuocated by vs doth not this iustle Christ out of his roome at least to sit so close that others must sit in commission with him in that office they would shift it off with this that they make the Saints mediators of intercession onely and Christ of Redemption and the Apostle say they when he saith there is but one Mediator c. hee meanes of Redemption not of intercession I Answere that the Apostle in that place speakes of a Mediatour of intercession for he speakes of Prayers and intercessions in the first Verse and as in reason he that is to make intercession for any must be able to reconcile them and to take away the enmity and to bring the parties whom he intercedes for into fauour else it would be a friuolous and vayne intercession and he that intercedes for any must be such an one as the person interceded doth appoint or at least approue of for that businesse euen so the Scripture propounds Christ alone to be intercessor in both these respects 1 Iohn 2.1.2 If any man sinne wee haue an Aduocat with the Father Iesus Christ the Iust and he is the propitiation for our sinnes He is our Aduocate or intercessor and our propitiation or reconciliation both and Iohn 16.23 whatsoeuer ye shall aske the Father in my name he shall giue it you hee doth not say whatsoeuer ye shall aske in my mothers name or in the Saints names but in my name And therefore both Redemption and Intercession are oft times in Scripture by name ioyned together as in that 1 Tim. 2.5 6 there is one Mediator betwixt God and man c who gaue himselfe a Ransome for all men Rom 8.34 who shal condemne vs it is Christ that died ye rather that is risen again who is euen at the right hand of God who also maketh intercession for vs so that we see to be mediator of intercession is as peculiar to Chrst as to be mediator of redemption They shift again say we pray to the Saints not as helpers but as intercessors onely but wee pray to Christ as intercessor and helper by his owne power too I answer yet still they make them intercessors then though not in the same degree and so they eyther iustle Christ out of his roome or set his mother and the Saints on the Bench with him but if therebe any other intercessors then either the intercession of Christ is imperfect or else the intercession of the Saints is superfluous But say they we doe no more to the Saints in heauen then yee doe to the Saints on earth and then the Apostle did to the Thessalonians in the 2 Thes 3.1 Brethren pray for vs c. I answer First wee haue a warrant for this Scripture but for the other wee haue none at all Secondly will any man say that the Apostle made them intercessors for him This were a disparagement to him no but hee intreats them to be fellow Suitors and ioint Petitioners to God with him and for him Thirdly the Saints that are aliue we haue accesse vnto and can vtter our mindes to them but so wee cannot to them that are deceased and therefore they that pray to them though it be but as fellow suitors they make God of them in that very fact that is they make them knowers of the desires of the heart for Prayer is the desire of the heart and to know that is proper to God
vnto the time of reformation which being by Christ abolished are not fit for true worshippers which must worship God in spirit and in truth Iohn 4.24 their continuall smiting of their brests crossing of themselues numbring of their prayers lifting vp the hoast Signes Gestures Pictures and infinite such like trash some borrowed from the Iewes some from the heathen idle complements superstitious impious vnseemely most of them are vnprofitable scarce any of them warrantable indeede they are a meer foppery as many beholders haue iudged euen by sense and reason when they haue not beene besotted with their iuglings neither are they onely carnall that is full of shadowes and Ceremonies but they are carnall too that is as being most agreeable to flesh and blood what more carnall perswasion then this that a pardon for sinnes may be bought with money that a Priest may absolue vpon auricular confession that if a man haue no merits of his owne yet for money hee shall haue out of the Church Treasury the merits of Saints that after death hee may be relieued with prayers of the liuing that many sinnes are veniall and pardonable in their owne nature that if a man giue to Churches Hospitalls or monasteries or the like hee shall goe to heauen yea that which in shew is most labour to the flesh yet indeede is meerly carnall as their whipping of themselues almost to death there is no spiritualnesse at all in it it is but the blood of the body for the sinne of the soule the Prophet scoffes at such like dealing Micha 6.7 The truth is this that euery naturall man had rather be scourged and die then vndertake the spirituall combate against his beloued sinnes and the Papists vse that to be excused of this as they folishly imagine and they measure out Religion for the most part by natural reason grounds of Philosophy so that we see they haue a carnall Religion Secondly they haue a wil-worship that is a seruice for the most part of â—heir own deuising their pilgrimages praiers abstinence from diuers meats voluntary pouertie works of supererogation their Masses Satisfactions Holy daies fasting daies all these and many more are meerely mens inuentions so that God may say to them as he doth to the people of Israel Esa 1.12 Who required these things at your hands so that vpon the point we see that they serue please theÌ„selues but they serue nor please not God at all Thirdly they haue policies in their Religion for the maintenance of their outward state their purgatory praiers for the dead Images and Reliques of Saints erected in their Churches to be offered vnto are meerely a meanes to inrich their owne Coffers and to vphold the honour of the triple Crowne and to maintaine the Beast in her Scarlet colours when they sell a man a pardon for his sinnes or so many yeeres release from purgatorie for some round summe of money doe yee not thinke they laugh at him when he is gone euen as our cheaters doe when they haue gulled some poore simple hearted man They know these can doe no good and yet they practise this for policy Machiauel held it and these practise it that Religion is meerely a matter of policie to keepe men in awe and to maintaine a state cursed wretches haue they none to make a scoffe at but God and his Religion and seruice Is this to serue God no it is to make God to serue them and abuse and change his word to their vile purposes Secondly as they erre and are foulely corrupted in the carriage of Gods worship in generall so are they also in the particular parts of it for first the word which was purposely deliuered to the Church for their light to walke by this is purposely obscured by the Papists that to the people it is a darke light they see little or nothing by it The word is to be preached there is little preaching among them or if there be any they preach faction traditions and commandements of the Church and the Word of God least of all As for any other publike minstration of the Word it is altogether in an vnknowne tongue without any profit or edification to the people well yet if the people might haue accesse to the Word as the Bereans had that they might heare the Pharises but yet beware of their Leauen it were somewhat but they are kept farre enough from that they shall learne no more but what the Priests and Iesuits teach them they are likely to be good Christians then and they must take all vpon their words a sure ground to build vpon this is a notable policie to cloake their errors that the people may not discerne them and a great dishonour to God to suppresse and smother vp his owne ordinances and to put that Candle vnder a Bushell which himselfe hath put on a Candlesticke that it might giue light to all in the house and a notorious wrong to Gods people to sterue them of the food of life and to keepe them hood-winkt that they might not see with their owne eyes into the euidences of their owne right and matters of their owne saluation Secondly the Sacraments not to speake of the number of them increased by them from two to seuen though I know there is no authority in the world can make a Sacrament but those Christ Iesus himselfe hath ordained But euen in Christs own Sacraments they are full of abominations as first in Baptisme they adde oile salt spittle and exorcismes and I know not what toyes and toyes are loathsome in Gods Seruice but in the Lords Supper their corruptions are not onely in the outward Barke as they are in Baptisme but in the very sap hart there is adoration of the Sacrament as of God himselfe and defrauding of the people of the one halfe of it and the making of it a Sacrifice propitiatorie for the quicke and the dead and the making of Christs owne body by the hands of the Priest all these are wicked deprauations either of the nature or right vse of this holy Sacrament Thirdly for their Discipline they haue scarce any thing sound in that the Lawes they rule by are Canons and Lawes of their owne making and not found in the Scripture the ouerseer is the Pope armed as well with a Temporall as with a spirituall sword the power of the keyes that also is horribly abused by them in binding excommunicating true Beleeuers Christian States and Princes that will not submit to the Popes yoke in stead of obstinate offenders against Gods Law and so in loosing absoluing offenders for money and for fauour yea and before repentance too because before the fact whereto if wee adde their dispensations and reseruations whereby they haue an absolute power to free whom they will see now if there be any fouler carriage in any heathen State in the world Fourthly for their prayers they are
reasons First where there are many particulars of one and the same kinde there must bee acknowledged by the rules of nature and reason some generall notion or apprehension wherein they all meete together to beare the name and to comprehend the nature of all As for example there are many particular persons of men being of one and the same kinde and therefore there must be one generall humane nature in which they must all meete and bee comprehended And therefore whereas we haue many Parochiall Churches in England of one and the same kinde they all may rightly be tearmed and comprehended vnder one name that is the Church of England Secondly if but two or three congregations liuing in a City or about it may be so called the Church of that City as it is very probable if we compare Reuel 2.1 with Acts 20 17. why may not therefore all Parochiall Churches of any one land bee called the Church of that land or nation Thirdly it is not against the nature and being of a Church to be nationall the Church of the Iewes was directly so vnder the former Testament the Iewes being cast off the Gentiles are come in their steade and therefore where any whole Nation of the Gentiles doe publiquely and generally embrace the sauing ordinances of God as the Iewes did I see not but that they may rightly bee called by the name of a Nationall Church why may not the Church of England be called a Church of England now as well as the Iewes were called a Iewish Church heretofore Lastly whereas I speake of our whole Church in generall that it is in some measure a sound Church it must be vnderstood in respect of the better part the whole taking the denomination from them for if it be proued true but in some parts that is in our most Religious and best ordered congregations that they are so then I hope charity will grant I am sure reason will that the whole Church may lawfully take her denomination from the better part else no part 〈◊〉 congregation can be rightly affirmed to bee a true and sound Church for it is so called properly in respect of the true beleeuing and liuing members that are therein though the greater part oft times are Hypocrites Thus we see the note is set vpright Let vs proceede to the proofes of it Reas 1 Many reasons may be alleadged to proue it three or foure shall serue the turne The reason before mentioned prouing the Greeke Romane and Lutheran Churches to be true Churches being applyed vnto vs proues vs sufficiently to be a true Church because wee affirme the whole foundation and euery part thereof But in this we haue vndertaken more that is that our Church is in some good measure a sound visible Church and therefore that is the point here to bee holden to And the first reason to proue this is from the infallible markes of a true and sound Church Wheresoeuer the Word and the Sacraments are in publique profession in vse so that the Word in some good measure is purely taught and the Sacraments rightly administred and obedience to them both accordingly professed there is a true and in some good measure a sound visible Church But in the Church of England the Word and Sacraments are in publique profession in vse so that Word is purely taught and the Sacraments rightly Administred and obedience to them both in some good measure professed And therefore the Church of England is a true and a sound visible Church For the proposition I haue handled it before in deliuering the markes of a true Church and therefore I will referre you thither for the proofe of it For the Assumption none will deny but wee haue the Word and the Sacraments and profession of obedience to them both but the Question is whether wee haue them purely or no for the measure of the soundnesse of a Church is esteemed according to the measure of the purenesse of these markes where they are more pure there is a more sound Church and where they are lesse pure there is a lesse sound Church But in the Church of England they are pure without traditions or mans inuentions therefore the Church of England in some good measure is a sound visible Church Wee are charged by the Separatists that we preach canons and mans constitutions as Gods Wor◠But wee Answer These are not taught for Doctrines but onely serue for some passage and carriages touching Gods Seruice specially in Church gouernement Secondly they say we suppresse some part of Gods Word as Discipline I Answere All that we know wee teach expresly and impartially if there should be any faylings as we know there are in all Churches yet that hinders not but that they are in some good measure purely taught And so the truth still stands good that the word taught amongst vs so also the Sacraments are rightly administred amongst vs for the substance of them if there be any error in circumstance as wee know none neyther yet that doth not nullifie the action nor ouerthrow the truth of this Assumption Likewise obedience is truely professed thereunto at least by some yea by a great many too through Gods mercy And therefore the note stands firme and true that the Church of England euen as it now stands is a true and a sound visible Church Reas 2 The second reason is taken from the comparison of the visible Church with the inuisible Take it thus that faith and Religion which being truely beleeued and obeyed by the whole company of the Elect makes them the true Church inuisible the same faith and Religion being publiquely taught and learned in a visible congregation and by them professed iointly to bee beleeued and obeyed that in some good measure makes them a true and in that proportionable measure a sound visible Church for the visible Church is so called respectiuely to the Church invisible as they publiquely and ioyntly professing the same sauing faith which the inuisible in the minde and truth of heart beleeue and obey But our Church doth ioyntly and publiquely professe that faith which the inuisible Church doth truely embrace and thereby is made a true Church visible euen that whole truth that is reuealed in the Word as by our articles of faith and Religion it doth appeare which is the ioynt confession of our Church yea our very aduersaries may witnesse for vs in this Aynsworthe saith I doubt not but your Doctrine hath saued many therefore it must needs bee the same Doctrine of faith which makes the true Church inuisible And so Iohnson acknowledgeth that very many amongst vs are true Christians by that knowledge and faith which here they haue attayned vnto only setting them a part from the constitutions of our Church and if any man elsewhere in the world doe truely beleeue and obey that faith which we professe who can deny him to bee a member of the true inuisible Church Our Church