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A43718	Plus ultra, or, Englands reformation, needing to be reformed being an examination of Doctor Heylins History of the reformation of the Church of England, wherein by laying together all that is there said ... / written by way of letter to Dr. Heylin by H.N. ...	Hickman, Henry, d. 1692.	1661 (1661)	Wing H1913; ESTC R19961	41,680	57

Prudence and Conscience to reject conformity with her in Worship and Discipline for the same reason which moved us to depart from her doctrinal corruptions binds us to leave her to her self in the superstitions of her worship and discipline The reason why we reject Communion with the Church of Rome is for that the Popes Supremacy Infallibility Transubstantiation Merit of good works Invocation of Saints Purgatorie Latine Service Worshipping of Images half Communion and such like which are the Pillars of the Romish Fabrick cannot be proved and made good out of the Word of God And is not this reason of like force against the Ceremonies of that Church yet in use among us Is there a scriptum est for one of them without which authority the Devil the father of lies pretends not to be believed and adored Though Doctor Pierce in his Synod concio p. 44. be pleased to lay the maintenance of the Ministry Infant Baptism the Sanctification of the Sabbath yea the Personalities of the Godhead in an even levell of authority with the Orders of the Church about Liturgy and Ceremonies as if the one as well as the other must depend on his Traditionis fulcimentum his shore of Tradition and would all otherwise fall to the ground Yet we can by no means give way to this Traditional unscriptural assertion if he will please to produce but one Text of Scripture as fairly concluding for Service-Book and Ceremonies as have been and can be produced in great numbers for those four things we will never put him to the trouble of a hard word more and we shall be as ambitious to advance the reputation of the Ceremonies as well as of the Sabbath You may possibly say these Ceremonies are small matters far from the foundation and if men had not more of humour and will in them then reason or conscience they might down with them well onough We might reply that any action especially conversant about the worship of God not undertaken in faith is sin and faith hath no ground to stand upon but Divine Authority But we refer you to Bishop Iewel in the 11. page of a Sermon of his preached upon this Text Ioshua 6. Now Iericho was shut up c. which is bound up in the same Book of his defence in the end of it Ioshua saith that learned Bishop suffered nothing to stand he burnt all together he left nothing remaining were it never so little In Religion no part is to be called little a hair is but little yet it hath a shadow in the body a little disquiet is often-times cause of death The Ciniphes are but little yet are they reckoned among the great plagues of God Paul saith a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump I speak not this because I think nothing at all may be left to any special purpose For even in Iericho where was made a general destruction God himself commanded that all silver and gold and vessels of brass and iron should be saved and brought into the Lords Treasury Howbeit the things that may be reserved must not be dust or chaff or hay or stubble but gold and silver and iron I mean they may not be things meet to furnish do you see Doctor and maintain superstition And if you will know what he accounts superstition he tells you in his Reply unto Hardings Answer page 310. in the ninth Article of the Canopie Moses saith he was commanded to make the Tabernacle neither durst Moses or his work-men add or diminish to do any thing more or less otherwise then God had appointed him Solomon built the Temple but he followed not therein any part of his own fancy but only that self-same plat and proportion that God had given to his father for so saith David I Chron. 28. Here mark good Christian Reader saith he in these examples God hath bridled our devotion and hath taught us to worship him not in such sort as may seem good in our eyes but only as he hath commanded us Yet Mr. Harding by his cunning would make use of these examples to prove that we may honour God in such sort as we of our selves can best devise This was saith this learned Bishop evermore the very root of all superstition Therefore Mr. Doctor I wish you would learn of that antient worthy Father Chrysostom as Iewel quotes him page 280. in his Defense Discamus Christum ex ipsius voluntate honorare Nam qui honoratur eo maxime honore laetatur quem ipse vult non quem nos optamus And because you see Chrysostom cited give us leave to pass an observation upon one passage you let fall in page 123 part 2. you are there admiring the beauty of the face of the Church of England and this is one part of her comeliness that the Priests as you call them executed not any divine Office but in their Surplice a vestment set apart for Religious Services you say in the Primitive times as may be gathered you say from Chrysostom for the Eastern Churches and from Saint Hierom for the Western But Sir what if this vestment come not from the Primitive times but from the usages of the Heathen Then either Chrysostom and Hierom were mistaken in saying so or you have abused their names in fathering an heathenish vanity on them and the Primitive times Pray you hear the Right Learned Iewel page 281. of his Defense Neither saith he to Harding may ye justly and truly say take heed of lying Doctor you have received none of your orders and usages from the Heathen Nicolaus Leonicenus saith Isidis sacerdotes in Aegypto utebantur lines vestibus semper erant detonso capillo quod etiam per manus traditum ad nostra usque tempora pervenisse videtur siquidem ii qui apud nos divino cultui sacris Altaribus praesident barbam comamque nutrire prohibentur in sacris utuntur lineis amictibus The Priests of the goddess Isis in Aegypt used to wear linnen Surplices rub your eyes Doctor and evermore had their head shaven which thing seemeth to have been derived from them unto our time from hand to hand for they that among us minister Gods service and serve the holy Altars are forbidden to suffer the hair of their head or beard to grow and in their divine Service they use linnen garments And Sir to draw to a conclusion in this argument we say it is unlawful for the Church of England to retain either in Doctrine Worship or Discipline any Conformity to the Church of Rome And because we know this will hardly go down with you by any reasons we can lay before you We shall commend it to you under the credit of your Right Learned Prelate Iewel please you to peruse page 325 326. of his Defence The learned and godly men at whose persons it pleaseth you so rudely to scoff saith Jewel to Harding Mr. Doctor Harding used to scoff at Calvin and Zuinglius and to upbraid Jewel

with them that refuse either to go in your apparel or otherwise to shew themselves note Sir like unto you have age sufficient and can answer for themselves Notwithstanding thus much I may say in their behalf Neither do they commend any manner of apparel as holy nor do they condemn any apparel as unholy They say not therefore that the apparel is either holy or unholy but they may truly say the same apparel on your part hath been fouly abused to filthy purposes They may justly say they would not gladly in any appearance good Doctor note this shew themselves like unto them that have so untruly and so long deceived the world And herein they are not without sundrie Authorities and examples of the godly Fathers Saint Augustine saith his mother left bringing of Wine and Cakes to the Church but only for that she was warned it was a resemblance of the superstition of the Heathens and so she left it Saint Gregory speaking of the three sprinklings or dippings into the holy Font saith thus In unâ fide nihil officit consuetudo Ecclesiae diversa Tamen quod Haereticiid fecerint negant idem esse à Catholicis faciendum The faith being one but it is not so between us and Rome the diversity of customs hurteth nothing yet forasmuch as Hereticks have thus done they say the Catholicks may in no wise do the same Tertullian reasoneth vehemently That a Christian man ought not to go with a Laurel Garland upon his head and that for none other reason but only for that the Heathen used so to go Whereupon Beatus Rhenanus giveth this note Non solùm ab his remperandum fuit quae manifestam praese ferrent impietatem sed etiam ab illis quae possent indifferentia vocari hoc est quae essent neque bona neque mala Partim pray mark Sir ne quisquam infirmior ex Christianis offenderetur partim ne ethnici did not Calvin say the Papists would grow more insolent in suis erroribus confirmarentur dum rectius putant esse quod etiam Christianos observare vident It was meet for them to refrain not only from such things as have a manifest shew of wickedness but also from such things as might be called indifferent that is to say neither good nor ill Partly left any of the weaker Christians should be offended Partly also lest the Heathens we say Papists should be encouraged in their errors thinking that thing for that the Christians themselves do it to be the better You may read more to this purpose There is one particular which we know you will very much distaste and that is the Divine Right of Episcopacy which we deny and you with great confidence assert page 51. part 1. for there mentioning one Act of Parliament you say The contrivers of that Act did intend by degrees to weaken the authority of the Episcopal order by forcing them from their strong hold of Divine institution We hope Sir you will not assume so much upon you in the Divinity school wich is given to Aristotle in the Logick that your Dixit must suffice us We might produce the unanswered Treatise of Mr. William Prinne a fast friend to Monarchy and as earnest an Antagonist to your Ius Divinum in his unbishoping of Timothy and Titus to batter your strong hold but that learned and pious Gentleman being a Lawyer and also a sufferer under your Ius Divinum is very low in your thoughts and whatever comes to you in his name bath little credit with you as being lookt upon to be either the fruit of his ignorance or desired revenge And therefore we shall oppose the judgment of a Bishop an English Bishop one whom you in your History do very much extoll for his great learning from whom you say all Controversors have furnisht themselves being a Magazin of all sorts of learning page 131. part 2. with arguments it is Reverend Iewel from this Magazin we will take some weapons and Artillery to assault and batter your strong hold Sir you are no stranger to the distinction of Episcopus praeses and Episcopus princeps the former we allow as being for order and decency in the government of the Church but Episcopus princeps which is Prelacy and not Episcopacy this as you contend for so we to this oppose the judgment of Bishop Iewel Harding page 196. of the Defence pleading against the sufficiency of the Scriptures and for the credit of Traditions among these Traditions he reckoneth the distinction of a Bishop and a Priest and saith that they that denied this distinction between a Bishop and a Priest were condemned of heresie in the Margin over against these words in the letter R. Iewel saith it is an untruth that ever any were condemned for heresie for denying this distinction of a Bishop and a Priest for if it were so saith he both St. Paul and St. Hierome and other good men are condemned of heresie Afterward page 202. of the Defence having taken notice and answered what Harding had said against the sufficiency of the Scriptures and for Traditions he comes at last to the forementioned words and saith But what meaneth Mr. Harding here to come in with the difference between Priests and Bishops Thinketh he that Priests and Bishops hold only by Tradition he meaneth not the distinction but the office Or is it so horrible an heresie as he maketh it to say that by the do you see Doctor Scriptures of God a Bishop and a Priest are all one Or knoweth he how far and unto whom he reacheth the name of an heretick Verily Chrysostom saith Inter Episcopum Presbyter um interest ferme nihil Between a Bishop and a Priest in a manner there is no difference St. Hierom saith somewhat in rougher sort Audio quendam in tantam erupisse vecordiam ut Diaconos Presbyteris id est Episcopis anteforret cum Apostolus perspicue doceat eosdem esse Presbyteros quos Episcopos I hear say there is one become so peevish that he setteth Deacons before Priests that is to say before Bishops whereas the Apostle plainly teacheth us that Priests and Bishops be all one St. Augustin saith Quid est Episcopus nisi primus Presbyter hoc est summus sacerdos what is a Bishop but the first Priest that is to say the highest Priest So saith St. Ambrose Episcopi Presbyteri una ordinatio uterque enim sacerdos est sed Episcopus primus est There is but one confecration of Priest and Bishop for both of them are Priests but the Bishop is the first All these and more holy Fathers saith learned Iewel together with St. Paul the Apostle for thus saying by Mr. Hardings advice must be holden for Hereticks Doth not your strong hold shake if not fall before the face of these Authorities Doctor However we will charge once more see page 100 and 101. of the Defence But Mr. Harding saith the Primates had authority over other inferiour