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A66150 A defence of the exposition of the doctrine of the Church of England against the exceptions of Monsieur de Meaux, late Bishop of Condom, and his vindicator : the contents are in the next leaf. Wake, William, 1657-1737. 1686 (1686) Wing W236; ESTC R524 126,770 228

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honour_v they_o we_o do_v but_o that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n require_v more_o not_o only_o to_o honour_n but_o worship_v they_o too_o so_o i_o render_v their_o venerari_fw-la whether_o well_o or_o ill_o be_v now_o the_o question_n and_o first_o i_o observe_v that_o in_o the_o very_a point_n before_o we_o 54._o thom._n 3._o p._n q._n 25._o art_n 6._o pag._n 54._o their_o own_o st._n thomas_n give_v the_o very_a same_o interpretation_n to_o the_o same_o word_n for_o have_v propose_v the_o question_n in_o these_o term_n whether_o the_o relic_n of_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v adorandae_fw-la utrum_fw-la reliquiae_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la sint_fw-la adorandae_fw-la he_o conclude_v it_o in_o the_o term_n of_o the_o council_n see_v we_o venerate_v the_o saint_n of_o god_n we_o must_v also_o venerate_v their_o body_n and_o relic_n and_o again_o in_o his_o second_o objection_n against_o this_o conclusion_n etc._n conclus_fw-la cum_fw-la sanctos_fw-la dei_fw-la veneremur_fw-la corum_fw-la quoque_fw-la corpora_fw-la &_o reliquias_fw-la venerari_fw-la oporter_fw-la sec._n obj._n stultum_fw-la videtur_fw-la rem_fw-la insensibilem_fw-la venerari_fw-la resp_n ad_fw-la secund_a dicend_v quod_fw-la corpus_fw-la illud_fw-la insensibile_fw-la non_fw-la adoramus_fw-la propter_fw-la scipsum_fw-la sed_fw-la etc._n etc._n he_o argue_v against_o the_o adoration_n of_o relic_n thus_o it_o seem_v very_o foolish_a to_o venerate_v a_o insensible_a thing_n to_o which_o he_o reply_v thus_o we_o do_v not_o adore_v the_o insensible_a thing_n for_o itself_o etc._n etc._n from_o all_o which_o it_o be_v beyond_o dispute_v evident_a that_o by_o the_o veneration_n thomas_n understand_v adoration_n of_o relic_n second_o that_o it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o their_o church_n that_o reliqve_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v their_o great_a author_n render_v it_o beyond_o denial_n evident_a debeanius_fw-la evident_a vasquez_n in_o 3._o p._n d._n th._n disp_n 112._o p._n 808._o propose_v this_o 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of_o that_o the_o reliqve_n of_o saint_n whether_o they_o be_v any_o part_n of_o they_o as_o bones_o flesh_n or_o ash_n or_o any_o other_o thing_n that_o have_v touch_v they_o or_o belong_v to_o they_o aught_o to_o be_v adore_v and_o in_o conclusion_n say_v that_o he_o have_v prove_v against_o heretic_n that_o relic_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v and_o this_o too_o in_o answer_n to_o the_o question_v propose_v in_o the_o very_a term_n of_o the_o council_n whether_o the_o body_n and_o other_o reliqve_n of_o saint_n ought_v to_o be_v venerate_v nor_o be_v this_o a_o scholastic_a tenet_n or_o to_o be_v put_v off_o with_o a_o impropriety_n of_o speech_n the_o messieurs_fw-fr du_fw-fr port_n royal_a be_v by_o all_o allow_v to_o have_v be_v some_o of_o the_o most_o learned_a man_n of_o their_o church_n that_o this_o last_o age_n have_v produce_v and_o too_o great_a critic_n in_o the_o french_a tongue_n to_o use_v any_o expression_n subject_a to_o ambiguity_n which_o that_o language_n so_o particular_o avoid_v the_o word_n adore_v in_o french_a be_v much_o more_o rare_o use_v to_o signify_v in_o general_a any_o honour_n or_o veneration_n than_o in_o the_o latin_a yet_o these_o very_a man_n in_o one_o of_o their_o treatise_n publish_v by_o they_o daillé_fw-fr they_o response_n à_fw-fr un_fw-fr ecrit_fw-fr publié_fw-fr sur_fw-fr les_fw-fr miracle_n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr sainte_n espine_n pag._n 15_o 18_o 22_o etc._n etc._n cite_v by_o mounseur_fw-fr daillé_fw-fr of_o the_o miracle_n of_o the_o holy_a thorn_n use_v this_o word_n to_o express_v the_o veneration_n they_o think_v due_a to_o they_o thus_o speak_v of_o one_o of_o the_o religious_a that_o be_v trouble_v with_o the_o palsy_n she_o be_v carry_v say_v they_o to_o the_o port_n royal_a to_o adore_v the_o holy_a thorn_n of_o another_o that_o have_v adore_v the_o holy_a thorn_n she_o be_v relieve_v of_o her_o infirmity_n they_o boast_v of_o the_o great_a multitude_n that_o frequent_v their_o church_n to_o adore_v the_o holy_a thorn_n and_o in_o one_o of_o their_o prayer_n which_o they_o teach_v their_o votary_n to_o say_v before_o it_o we_o adore_v thy_o crown_n o_o lord_n and_o now_o i_o suppose_v it_o be_v from_o all_o these_o instance_n sufficient_o evident_a 42._o vindicat._n p._n 42._o that_o i_o have_v reason_n to_o interpret_v venerari_fw-la in_o the_o council_n by_o worship_n in_o my_o exposition_n as_o for_o the_o other_o thing_n he_o charge_v i_o with_o that_o refer_v to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o council_n i_o shall_v make_v it_o say_v that_o these_o sacred_a monument_n be_v not_o unprofitable_o revere_v but_o be_v to_o be_v seek_v unto_o for_o the_o obtain_n of_o their_o help_n and_o assistance_n whereas_o indeed_o the_o council_n meaning_n be_v to_o obtain_v the_o help_n and_o assistance_n of_o the_o saint_n not_o the_o relic_n this_o be_v not_o my_o invention_n but_o his_o own_o cavil_v and_o his_o citation_n of_o the_o word_n of_o the_o council_n a_o trick_n to_o deceive_v those_o who_o 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causâ_fw-la memorias_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la frustra_fw-la frequentari_fw-la omnino_fw-la damnandos_fw-la esse_fw-la so_o that_o they_o who_o shall_v affirm_v that_o no_o worship_n or_o honour_n be_v due_a to_o the_o relic_n of_o saint_n or_o that_o these_o and_o the_o like_a sacred_a monument_n be_v unprofitable_o honour_v and_o that_o for_o the_o obtain_n of_o their_o help_n the_o help_n of_o these_o sacred_a monument_n eorum_fw-la the_o memory_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v unprofitable_o frequent_v be_v to_o be_v condemn_v this_o be_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o council_n and_o for_o the_o instance_n i_o add_v for_o the_o explication_n of_o it_o they_o be_v the_o same_o by_o which_o their_o own_o catechism_n excite_v they_o to_o this_o worship_n and_o every_o day_n be_v experience_n show_v how_o zealous_o the_o people_n follow_v these_o relic_n in_o order_n to_o these_o ends._n article_n v._o of_o justification_n how_o far_o the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o justification_n be_v overrun_v with_o such_o abuse_n as_o i_o mention_v 46._o vindicat._n p._n 46._o at_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o reformation_n he_o must_v be_v very_o ignorant_a in_o the_o history_n of_o those_o time_n that_o need_v to_o be_v inform_v i_o do_v not_o at_o all_o wonder_n that_o the_o vindicator_n deny_v these_o thing_n who_o know_v very_o well_o how_o far_o the_o interest_n of_o his_o church_n be_v concern_v in_o it_o but_o sure_o i_o be_o a_o confident_a denial_n which_o be_v all_o the_o proof_n he_o bring_v will_v satisfy_v none_o but_o those_o who_o think_v themselves_o oblige_v to_o receive_v the_o tradition_n of_o their_o church_n with_o the_o same_o blindness_n in_o matter_n of_o fact_n that_o they_o be_v require_v to_o do_v it_o in_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o to_o the_o present_a article_n before_o we_o two_o thing_n there_o be_v that_o he_o doubt_v i_o shall_v be_v hardly_o put_v to_o prove_v 47._o vindicat._n p._n 47._o one_o that_o it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n to_o 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