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A09869	Want of charitie iustly charged, on all such Romanists, as dare (without truth or modesty) affirme, that Protestancie destroyeth salvation in answer to a late popish pamphlet intituled Charity mistaken &c. / by Christopher Potter ...	Potter, Christopher, 1591-1646.	1633 (1633)	STC 20135.3; ESTC S4420	135,510	274

the Church the promises of Christ assure us But that to necessarie truths she shall adde no unnecessarie opinions for that we have no warrant either from the Scripture or any promise of God And were it otherwise the Doctors above mentioned had betrayed the Churches cause in stead of maintaining it For if in all her doctrines and definitions she be infallible why should they restraine her infallibilitie in defining unto matters necessary They should have profess'd her roundly and plainly infallible in all her determinations For to limit her infallibility in defining onely to things necessary and then to say that all defin'd by her is eo ipso necessarie because defin'd is to delude the world and seemingly to yeild something when nothing is yeilded The Romane cause at this day as it appeares by the vulgar Writers of the Popes quarter and among others by our Mistaker wholly depends on this pretended absolute infallibility All Controversies in the issue are reduced to this and decided by it And with great reason if there were any reason in it or for it For if Rome cannot erre or be deceived then without doubt all they erre and are deceived who dissent from her And therefore me thinkes learned men of that partie might do very well to ease themselves and the world of much trouble and paines in the scanning of other questions if with all their strength and witt they can but settle on the Pope or his adherents such an infallibility by any one convicting argument this will instantly and evidently conclude all our other differences No wise man will any way contradict them who cannot any way erre But surely this doctrine that the Church is infallible in all her definitions is so far from being certaine and divine that it is at the best but doubtfull and problematicall and that even by and from their owne principles The Roman Drs deliver us these Maximes concerning the Churches authority 1. r Staplet lib. 9. Princip doctr passim contr Whitak That the truth of Scripture it selfe and of all contained in it relyes in respect of us upon the testimony of the Church so as nothing is credible to us but by the Churches attestation 2. s Valent. Tom. 3. disp 1. qu. 1. pun 1. §. 6. col 29. That the proposition of the Church is so necessary to the act of divine faith that nothing can be beleeved without it 3. That t Bellarm. lib. 4. de Pont. R. cap. 14. §. Respondeo Inprimis untill a doctrine be declared or defined by the Church so long it may be either doubted of or denyed without danger These propositions are their owne Hence wee assume But this doctrine that the Church is infallible in all her decrees and definitions was never yet declared decreed or defined by the Church no not by any Councell or by any Pope And hence we inferre Therefore it is a doctrine which may be doubted of or denyed without danger a doctrine which no man can beleeue by divine faith a doctrine whatsoever it be in it selfe to Christians not credible If any man will deny the assumption he will oblige himselfe to disproue it by a contrary instance Let it be shewed where and when and in what termes the Church hath published any such declaration And suppose which will not be granted that such a declaration had beene made it may be demanded with reason upon what warrant the Church can assume to her selfe a power so divine and boundlesse as to authorize all her decrees in so high a forme that they must be accounted divine and infallible If the promise of God in Scripture be pleaded for this power we haue already shewed how the learned among themselues haue voyded this plea and so restrained those promises that they are by much too narrow to support so wide a priviledge If it bee said that this authority of the Church is a principle admitted by all Christians without any doubt or proofe this is a saying voluntary and and groundlesse For 1. they will confesse every principle in Religion to be founded either in nature or in Scripture or in tradition or in Church definition and in none of these will they find any footing for this 2. All Christians in the world confesse the authority of Scripture to be a principle indemonstrable yet are we by them perpetually urged to proue that authority and that by Scripture 3. Dr u Princ. Doctrin l. ● c. 21. Stapleton thinkes it not onely fitting but necessary in respect of us that the Church should give testimony to her self especially thē in this point of so great importance consequence cōcerning her infallible authority wherein all Religiō is so much concerned 4. Lastly it is a great errour and vanitie to beleeue that this absolute infallibility of the Church is beleeved by all Christians especially in the sence of our Adversaries who ever by the Church intend that unsound piece which they call the Roman Catholique The Protestants and Greekes expresly accuse this Church and haue convicted her too as they thinke of many grosse and dangerous errors The w See Mr. Brierwoods Enquiries Armenians Syrians Indians Iacobites Maronites Abassines with other innumerable assemblies of Christians haue many doctrines and customes directly repugnant to those of Rome which were an unreasonable presumption and absurditie if they esteemed the Church of Rome so wholly infallible Nay within the Roman Church it selfe many Authors of great learning and judgement by name x Horum omnium testimonia legere est apud Rob. Baronium de objecto fidei Tract 5. cap. 19. Occam Cameracensis Waldensis Panormitanus Antoninus Archbishop of Florence Cardinal Cusan Nicholas Clemangis haue declared their opinion that any particular Churches and particularly the Roman any Councels though Generall any Popes may erre even to heresie and I doubt not but the best learned Romanists at this day are of the same opinion Before wee proceed it will not be from our purpose to note one thing more in passing The Church of Rome pretends that it is an office belonging onely to Her to deliver the entire rule of faith to all Christian people And she pretends further that this divine and infalliable rule is made up of three integrall parts to wit Scriptures Traditions and Church definitions If this be true she doth but loosely discharge her office very ill satisfie the obligation which she hath unto the Christian world For 1. Why hath she not yet defined that her definitions are of divine authority The late Fathers of Trent haue canonized unwritten traditions and equall'd them to Scriptures but why did they omit to canonize the decrees of all Popes Councells Why did they not adde to Traditions their Church definitions and command them both and them all to be received with no lesse devotion then the holy Scriptures 2. The same Fathers have given us an exact catalogue of all the bookes of Scripture but why did they not give

us the like list of divine and infallible Traditions Is it because they are numberles and cannot be recounted Or because it may be a thing full of danger to confine them to any certaine number least some be omitted Or because they are not yet agreed which are divine Traditions Or is it as Dr. y Defens author Eccles l. 1 cap. 2. §. 5. Stapleton excuses his Church on the like occasion because that Church hath not yet throughly weighed all her Traditions either for want of opportunity or by reason of other thoughts distractions which have not permitted her seriously to consider of this busines But there cannot be a busines of greater moment in Religion or more worthy of the Churches care then to deliver the rule of truth clearely and precisely by which all doctrines in the Church are to be squared and examined And therefore the Church of Rome herein so carelesse cannot be excused from supine negligence Now to returne from this short digression So far as truth and reason will permitt we have yeelded an infallibility to the Church That is infallibility in the Essentialls of faith to the Church Vniversall And this confession satisfies the best of our Adversaries who demand no more But when our Mistaker talkes so often of the infallibility and supreme judgment of the Church He meanes somwhat els by the Church Though surely he knowes not well what he meanes or at least will not be forward to let us know his meaning whether he meanes the Church representative which is a Generall Councell or the Church virtuall which is the Pope in whether of the two he plants this infallibility as in the Proper Subject it will perplex him to say and whatsoever he say he shall touch a sore and find strong opposition within his owne partie First for Generall Councells we give them all the respect which is due unto them and much more then do the most of our Adversaries We say that such Generall Councells as are lawfully called and proceed orderly are great and awfull representations of the Church Catholique that they are the highest externall Tribunall which the Church hath on earth that their authority is immediately derived and delegated from Christ that no Christian is exempted from their censures or jurisdiction that their decrees bind all persons to externall obedience may not be questioned but upon evident reason nor reversed but by an equall authority that if they be carefull and diligent in the use of all good meanes for finding out the truth it is very probable the good Spirit will so direct them that they shall not erre at least not fundamentally But they are not absolutely freed from all error Such a Councell is but an assembly of men and those sometimes not of the most able and sufficient The Church Universall may have many more able members out of the Councell then she hath in it For though that represēting body have all the legall power or binding strength of the whole yet it hath not all the naturall power or wisedome which is in the whole The Catholique Church cannot possibly communicate her strength or power in that kind to any Councell Yet suppose the best of men to be in that meeting even they are but men when all is done neither all of them equall in the endowments of nature or grace nor any of them perfect being every one subject to all the infirmities and passions which attend our nature Their meeting then cannot make them infallible in all things though the act that is hammered out by so many heads must needs in reason be perfecter then that which is the issue of one mans sufficiencie But happily they are infallibly assisted No doubt the holy infallible Spirit assists at all such holy meetings but how Math. 18. 20. far or in what manner is all the doubt The good Spirit ever assists the endeavours of the devout and diligent so far as is necessarie and is ready to guide them that are desirous to be guided by him But his guidance is not a violent rapture or a wild Enthusiasme but in searches of truth He ever directs us to the infallible rule of truth the Scripture And it is possible that a Generall Councell may misapply or misunderstand or neglect that rule weakly or wilfully and so erre notwithstanding the Spirits assistance A lawfull Councell may in some things proceed not lawfullie and so erre saith a Bellar. lib. 2. de Concil cap. 7. §. Respondeo Concilium Bellarmine nay saith he b Id. ibid. c. 8. § Alii dicunt it may chance to be most manifestly convicted of an intolerable error His meaning is they may be deceived where they follow not the instructions of the Pope as c Id. ibid. c. 11. in titulo elswhere he expresses himselfe We say and with more reason no Councell is further priviledged then it follows the instructions of Jesus Christ and of his Scriptures whose warrant all unerring Councells have had for their decrees and all Councells must have that will not erre Besides d Bellar. de Concil l. 2. c. 12. § Dicuntur igitur Cōcilia per ratiocinationem deducunt conclusiones iterum ibidem §. Alterū discrimen Patres in Concil●is debent rem ipsam quaerere id est conclusiones investigate disputando legendo cogitando the Fathers in a Councell are discursive in their deliberations they use the weights and moments of reason for the drawing out of conclusions from their principles Wherein e Staplet Relect Cont. 4. qu. 2. notab 2. Ecclesia in singulis mediis non habet infallibilem Sp. S. directionem sed potest in illis adhibendis probabili interdum non semper necessariâ collectione uti it is confessed they may mistake by ignorance or negligence being not herein infallibly directed and making collections sometime but probable Now fal●ible principles can never produce an infallible conclusion Yet f Relect. contr 4. qu. 2. Notab 4. Stapleton here hath a new pret●y device that the Church though she be fallible and discursive in the Meanes is yet propheticall and depends upon immediate revelation and so infallible in delivering the conclusion Which is a fancy ●epugnant to reason and and to it selfe for to inferre a conclusion by argument or discourse and yet to expect the same conclusion from immediate revelation his is to argue and not to argue to in●er it yet not by inference A conclusi●n follows the disposition of the Means and results from them A proposition immediatly inspired without discourse may be a divine prophecy or an oracle but it is not a conclusion And what use can there be of diligence or discourse in Councells if all their conclusions come by divine inspiration Propheticke infallibility is a meere g 1. Cor. 12. 10. gift of God which cannot be acquired or increased by studie neither can a Prophet be discursive in that which he delivers from God as an infallible truth