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A80821 Innocency vindicated: in answer to a pamphlet entituled A few words to Nath. Coleman's epistle, &c. ... Published for clearing the truth, not out of love to, or desire of contention. Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent. 1683 (1683) Wing C6951A; ESTC R174309 19,292 16

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Barbadoes Judgment your Principle also that led G. F. to send that wicked deceitful Letter mentioned in 1st 4th and 5th Babel's and THAT which would not suffer nor permit Marriages without the consent of two of G. F's Womens-Meetings c. And dare be so impudent as to out-face the Law of God and the Law of the Land to make such an unalterable and perpetual Order also that which contrived and brought forth that abhorred Bull of 66 against J. S. c. and which is not only so impudently envious but so Luciferiously proud as to promise People absolute acquittance in Gods Sight on Conformity to your Commands also dare be so impudent as to say it is by the Spirit and Power of our God if you mean the True Eternal God I say O abhorred Blasphemers But for your God THAT Spirit which N. C. cautions from it is like THAT which also terms that 66 wicked Bull the Judgment of the Eternal God And that dare say there is no way for J. S. to come to Peace with God but by this your Judgment and that THAT is the Door he must enter at This Judgment or Bull is your writing by you thus set in the Place of or above Christ and Scripture and yet G. W. hath the impudence to say in his Book Entituled The Quakers Plainness pag. 70.71 VIZ. Nor did we ever prefer our Books before the Bible but do prefer the Bible before all other Books Our Principle never was to bring our Books in comparison with the Scriptures But this Quibler G. W. will think to creep out at the word Books he may say this 66 Bull or Judgment is not a Book to which they have ascribed the very Office of Christ and Judgment of the Eternal God nay of their Womens-Meetings and other Inventions of G. F's they call them the Great and Good Ordinances of God and Christ These blasphemous luciferian Practices and Principles of theirs in thus adoring the Product of their own proud and envious Spirit do not only manifest G. F's and his Parties Impudence but also G. W's great wickedness thus to out-face such an undeniable Truth or his wicked old quibbling Trade by his Jesuitical reserve of distinction between Books and Writing and although this be a digression yet a manifest proof of the unjustness and confidence of G. W. and his Abetters of G. F's Party that dare affirm or deny such things I say THAT also which led you of the Second-days Meeting to license such Lyes wicked Forgeries and Pervertions as G. W. R. R. and J. F. are proved guilty of and doubtless THAT lying Spirit which said he would be in the mouths of Ahab's Prophets is in G. W's c. mouths that leads him and you out from God to entitle such Wickedness Righteous Judgment and the Judgment of Truth as you do I say again this your Luciferian Spirit which you so entitle and exalt above all is the abomination standing where it ought not and is THAT N. C. means and warns Friends from and THAT which too much rules in your Men's and Women's Meetings of G. F's Party giving power to such as G. W. to send out of their mouths floods of Lyes and Pervertions against J. S. N. C. W. R. c. whom it cannot lead out from God to adore THAT and is THAT which leads you to forge such blasphemous ranting Doctrine and blind you so as that after you have forged such to father it on N. C. and then term it his when indeed it is Blasphemous Ranting Doctrine of your own and therefore O Babel out of thy own mouth art thou condemned for asserting Confused Babylonish Ranting Doctrine Viz. That the Truth may draw Peoples Minds off from God pag. 12. and it is not N. C's For the Truth as it is in Jesus will not draw any from God although that you falsly call Truth will as it hath done you draw all that follow it into its own nature Pride Envy Lying Perverting Babylonish Ranting and Confused Doctrine Yet N. C. doth believe that the Truth may draw into some Outward Things as Days and Times c. but whosoever is drawn thereby to observe them cannot be said to be drawn from God although into some Outward Observations c. pag. 12. You also query What are those days c. he would not have them observe Also What they be which they may observe In answer to you Inquisitors I say N. C. hath shewed what Times c. he would not have observed Viz. Outward Observations as Days Times c. that any be drawn to by G. F. or you his chief Cardinals of the Second-days Meeting and not inwardly drawn by the Truth in their own Particulars he would have them follow the Lord's not G. F's Requirings in themselves and if the Truth in their own particulars draw any to your Meetings N. C. is not against it but if G. F. or G.W. command them to meet in any Place at the 11th hour or once a month about the 10th hour or if you be so Luciferian to command they shall not Decline nor remove their Meetings this THAT which would draw out their Minds from God to the Observation of these Outward Things because you so write and order and they not inwardly drawn by the Truth in their own particulars these be them N. C. would not have them observe And here you may see that T. C. hath shewn what Times c. he would have observed and what not also N. C. hath shewn himself to have according to the advice of the Apostle put on Charity in that he doth not condemn or is against observing of Days c. but doth admit some may be inwardly drawn thereto although such as G. F. or the Second-days Meeting may order But this Spirit of Charity in N. C. torments your Spirit of Pride and Envy in that it allows God's People may be of various or differing Minds and Judgment as to outward Observations of Days c. Which is contrary to you and proves your Doctrine false Viz. That they must be all of one Mind and Judgment c. This true Charity in N. C. is that which offends you and not any false Doctrine or sinful Practice for you can connive at Wickedness if they conform to your Appointment but N. C. would not have the Spirit or Power of appointing any Form Time or Place lockt up only in G. F. and you of the Second-days Meeting to govern not only all Europe but America also and therefore N. C. says truly in pag. 2. The Light c. will let you see his i. e. God's and not G. F's Mind concerning you for says he all Times and Seasons be in his then not in G. F's Hand And it is truly said It is the general consent of all Sound Protestants that no Traditions nor Cannons of any visible Church then not of yours but the Scriptures ONLY interpreted by the Spirit in us then not without us in G.F.
gives the final Determination of Matters of Religion and that only in the Conscience of every Christian to himself This was and is sound Protestancy But perhaps that may not be for your Advancement now to appear such but rather on the contrary Believe as the Church believes that is more likely to advance G. W. to G. F's Place of Chief or Arch-bishop of all your Party and then why may not your Father allow the Order of St. George as well as of St. Francis c. You cannot assume a more seeming harmless Title than your Brethren the Jesuits have Viz. The Order of Jesus Pag. 13. They say to N. C. Thou warns Gods People not to joyn to any Form And then they perversly paraphrase on this their Forgery and say Though the Apostle exhorted to turn from those that had the Form of Godliness and not the Power yet say you I never read that he exhorted not to joyn to any Form Hereby rendring N. C's words in general against any Forms without exception when as N. C's words have in the same Sentence an Exception Viz. But as you are led by the Pillar of Cloud by Day and Fire by Night which shines in all your Hearts says N. C. Now these 24 words they leave out and take no notice of in this Forgery to make him appear against any or all Form when as it is evident by the following words N. C. admits that they may be led into some Forms by that Light which shines in their Hearts c. which he there metaphorically terms a Pillar of Fire or Cloud which terms be not strictly but figuratively used there as G. W. says of the Titles of their Books and I cannot express the greatness of their Envy and Falseness in this for in their using this one sentence of N. C. pag. 4. they 1st in their 8th page add in words and then here in the 12th page leave out words to pervert N. C's words and render him as preaching another Ministration than Christ and also to preach up a Visible Cloud to the Outward Eye and that Cloud and Pillar which appeared to Old Israel and now also for fear that their Wickedness should be manifest in these absurd Forgeries on N. C. they have another Forgery from the same Sentence that N. C. counsels God's People against any i. e. all Forms All which be their own Forgeries and not N. C's words nor sence for by this their way of dealing one may undertake to prove or disprove what they please nay one may charge Christ himself with saying that which was not true for he said Those whom thou hast given me none is lost but the Son of Perdition Now if one should cite only those first words Viz. Of those which thou hast given me none is lost and leave out these latter words Viz. but the Son of Perdition as they do by N. C. then the sence is quite altered and those words a general affirmation that none was lost when as the Son of Perdition was lost Thus wicked Atheist-like do these People abuse and forge false Sentences and render them N. C's and then for a further blind to their Wickedness in pag. 13. they bring in N. C's words But as you are led by the Pillar c. And then query in pag. 13. May they by this Pillar be drawn from the Guidance of God's Spirit within them c. And again in the same 13th page you again set up your Inquisition Office and say to N. C. Dost thou believe that this Pillar will lead from the Spirit of God within c. I say there is no ground from N. C's words for this Query for he never said they may but as I have said before by Pillar he means Spirit and that they be but one although differing Appellations as many more are given in Scripture to God as Fire Love c. yet but one and as I said those terms of Pillar of Fire and Cloud be but figuratively and not strictly and N. C. means but one and not two distinct Principles but the Pillar the Spirit and the Spirit the Pillar and that cannot draw from its self for God is not devided And had N. C. expressed that Pillar and Cloud that appeared to Old Israel which you seem by your Query to say was visible to the Outward Eye pag. 8. yet it is absurd if not Blasphemy to suppose that could or would lead from God but N. C's words of Exception which follow viz. but c. do as I aforesaid manifest his Christian Charity in that he doth not condemn or advise against all Forms in general but allow that some may be led into some Outward Observations by the Pillar or Spirit and this you could not but know If You had quite deserted Christianity had not you also abandoned Morality and for that you seem in your 13th page to blame N. C. saying to him Thou seems to make the Pillar of Fire and the Spirit two differing things But this also is proved false for N. C. means but one by those two as is aforesaid but you seem to make them two differing things in your 8th page saying Doth not God by his Light and not by that Pillar Old Israel followed shine into Mens Hearts c. Also again in the 12th page you blame N. C. for preaching up the Pillar c. to lead out of Transgression which say you is the Work of Christ in this Gospel day By these words giving cause to think that you do not believe it was Christ's Work in former days to lead out of Transgression but your perverse Spirit is here manifest in that you seem to blame N. C. for what you do your selves Viz. seem to make the Spirit and Pillar two differing things Hereby you bring your selves under that Judgment Viz. condemning another and do the same thing And although you so despise N. C. and his good Counsel for supposing any whom he terms Gods People to be in a State that hath any Night as is evident from your Saying in page 13. Why dost thou direct the Sons of Zion to follow the Pillar of Fire by Night c. And then you say Paul said You are all Children of the Light you are not of the Night Yet among you are evil Works which are of the Night and therefore you are not yet in that Jerusalem you speak of where you say There is no Night Pag. 14. You say The Lord grant that they i. e. his People may know Jesus to put them forth of all that is contrary to his Mind Hereby you seem to admit they may be in that which is contrary to his Mind the which in your 8th page you seem to condemn N.C. for as strange Doctrine because he exhorts as you say The Children of God to believe in the Light c. and then you say Are the Children of God still in Vnbelief c. And yet now in your 14th page you seem to admit they