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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
tradition_n	baptism_n	church_n	infant_n	1,849	5	8.8630	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A77435	A briefe examination; of a certaine pamphlet lately printed in Scotland, and intituled: Ladensium autocatacrisis, &c.		1644 (1644)	Wing B4591; Thomason E47_7; ESTC R21801	34,566	57

matter of * P. 71. Baptisme where pressing against the Iesuite that Baptisme of Infants may be proved out of Scripture Mark you out of Scripture so he does not leave it to stand upon one leg of Tradition Thus he speaks Relat. p. 56. That Baptisme is necessary to the Salvation of Infants in the ordinarie way of the Church without binding God to the use and meanes of that Sacrament to which he hath bound us it is expresse in S. Iohn Chap. 3. Except a man be borne againe of Water he cannot enter No Baptisme no entrance nor can Infants creepe in any other ordinary way And this is the received opinion of all the ancient Church Infants are to be baptized that their salvation may be certaine For they which cannot helpe themselves must not bee left onely to extraordinarie helpes of which wee have no assurance and for which we have no warrant at all in Scripture Hence your inference is They avow say you that all those who die in their infancie without Baptisme by whatsoever misse by whosoever's fault are certainly damned as farre as men can judge A very liberall Conclusion considering the narrow Premisses you had to deale upon but you follow it For Baptisme is the ordinarie meane which God hath appointed for their salvation which failing salvation must be lost except we would dreame of extraordinarie Miracles of the which we have no warrant Now if a man analyze this huddle of words and take the height of their sense it is as if you had said They avow that infants dying without Baptisme must certainly be damned except they be saved The Arch-Bishops speech falls into these Parts 1 Baptisme is the ordinary way of salvation appointed by Christ himselfe Iohn 3. 2 To save without Baptisme is a way extraordinary 3 To trust to extraordinary wayes we have no warrant in Scripture 4 Children are not to be exposed to the perill of those wayes whereof we have no warrant You will wring out of this Children dying without Baptisme by whatsoever misse by whosoevers fault are certainly damned But before you can get off a Whimsey takes you in the head that you are faine to add Except we will dream of extraordinary miracles of which we have no warrant That is in sence Except God who is not tied to meanes please to save them by a way extraordinarie So that à primo ad ultimum your discovery is Children dying without Baptisme according to the Canterburians are certainly damned except they be not damned Marry that to expresse an honest and orthodoxe sense you will use such an invidious phrase as dreaming of extraordinary miracles it is but your wonted Candor Call you it a miracle for God to save by a way extraordinarie that is besides the meanes and rules prescribed to us Or a beliefe of such a saving a dreame of miracles The proper Matter and Subject of miracles is Nature and things naturall e Aquin. 1. q. 110. 4. c. Miraculum dicitur quod fit praeter ordinem totius naturae creatae But Salvation is a worke wholly supernaturall and if you will translate miracles thither to workes supernaturall then to save even by Baptisme is a miracle f Ferrar. ad Aq. Cont. gen l. 3. c. 101. Et universaliter omne opus quod à solo Deo fieri potest And now see the addle language wee are fallen into for thus it will come to passe that if to save by Baptisme be a miracle and to save without Baptisme an extraordinar●e miracle then some miracle is an ordinarie miracle which is absurd and a contradiction in terminis every miracle being praeter ordinem 45. The Canterburians for so you will call them do not love to be too busie with damnation you are those men of wrath in whose Power if it were to send poore soules to hell 't is to be doubted the whole world had beene consumed by you ere this as g 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Ep. Ethic. Iustin Martyr speakes of your like The matter is you stand not much upon Baptisme or the necessity of it you use to dispute against it at home but we here hold it most necessary and our Liturgie hath a speciall Rubricke for Private Baptisme in case of extremity which I still urge to shew your incompetency to judge of our Writings And whether our or your doctrine be the sounder in this point I referre you to be instructed by your owne h P. 78 79. seq Duplyes who have set you to schoole in this Argument and many other I would we could see you rid your fingers handsomely of them Take along wich you likewise K. Iames his opinion and what evidence say you ought to be so demonstrative as that Who in the Conference of Hampton Court reports that to a Scottish Minister pierking against him with this Question Thinke you Baptisme so necessary that if it bee omitted the child should bee damned Hee made this Answer No but if you being called to baptize the child though privately should refuse to come I think you should be damned 46. Behold another Innovation They * P 73. forbid Matrimony