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A69095 The third part of the Defence of the Reformed Catholike against Doct. Bishops Second part of the Reformation of a Catholike, as the same was first guilefully published vnder that name, conteining only a large and most malicious preface to the reader, and an answer to M. Perkins his aduertisement to Romane Catholicks, &c. Whereunto is added an aduertisement for the time concerning the said Doct. Bishops reproofe, lately published against a little piece of the answer to his epistle to the King, with an answer to some few exceptions taken against the same, by M. T. Higgons latley become a proselyte of the Church of Rome. By R. Abbot Doctor of Diuinitie.; Defence of the Reformed Catholicke of M. W. Perkins. Part 3 Abbot, Robert, 1560-1618. 1609 (1609) STC 50.5; ESTC S100538 452,861 494

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repudies_fw-la statuta_fw-la matris_fw-la tuus_fw-la ostendens_fw-la per_fw-la hoc_fw-la quòd_fw-la &_o in_fw-la scriptu_fw-la &_o sine_fw-la scripto_fw-la decuit_fw-la pater_fw-la mater_fw-la autem_fw-la nostra_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la habet_fw-la statuta_fw-la in_o se_fw-la posita_fw-la indissolubilia_fw-la quae_fw-la dissolui_fw-la non_fw-la p●ssunt●●_n cùm_fw-la itaque_fw-la ordi_fw-la nata_fw-la sint_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la statuta_fw-la &_o benè_fw-la se_fw-la habeant_fw-la &_o omne_fw-la mirab●ittèr_fw-la fiant_fw-la confuta●us_fw-la est_fw-la tursus_fw-la etiam_fw-la hic_fw-la seductor_n the_o church_n necessary_o do_v this_o by_o tradition_n receive_v from_o the_o father_n and_o who_o may_v dissolve_v the_o statute_n of_o his_o mother_n or_o the_o law_n of_o his_o father_n as_o solomon_n say_v my_o son_n hear_v thy_o father_n word_n and_o refuse_v not_o thy_o mother_n statute_n hereby_o show_v that_o both_o in_o writing_n and_o without_o write_v the_o father_n have_v teach_v 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or_o the_o prophet_n or_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n in_o the_o scripture_n have_v deliver_v unto_o us._n if_o it_o be_v no_o matter_n of_o scripture_n with_o epiphanius_n than_o i_o say_v right_o that_o he_o clear_v we_o from_o impugn_v therein_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v deliver_v in_o the_o scripture_n albeit_o because_o it_o be_v by_o epiphanius_n his_o confession_n a_o tradition_n without_o scripture_n therefore_o we_o resolve_v undoubted_o that_o it_o come_v not_o from_o the_o apostle_n because_o whatsoever_o they_o teach_v concern_v faith_n and_o salvation_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n as_o before_o have_v be_v show_v at_o large_a yea_o and_o how_o unsound_o epiphanius_n urge_v apostolic_a tradition_n be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o the_o point_n which_o he_o speak_v of_o immediate_o before_o where_o he_o say_v that_o aquam_fw-la that_o epiphan_n haer_fw-mi 75._o decreverunt_fw-la apostoli_fw-la quarta_fw-la &_o prosabbato_fw-la ieiunium_fw-la per_fw-la omne_fw-la excepta_fw-la pentecoste_n &_o the_o sex_n diebus_fw-la paschatis_fw-la praecipiunt_fw-la nihil_fw-la omninò_fw-la accipere_fw-la quàm_fw-la panem_fw-la &_o salem_fw-la &_o aquam_fw-la the_o apostle_n decree_v a_o fast_a upon_o wednesday_n and_o friday_n continual_o save_v betwixt_o easter_n and_o whitsuntide_n and_o that_o six_o day_n before_o easter_n man_n shall_v receive_v nothing_o but_o bread_n and_o salt_n and_o water_n whereas_o s._n austin_n profess_v that_o finitum_fw-la that_o aug._n epist_n 86._o quibus_fw-la diebus_fw-la non_fw-la oporteat_fw-la ieiunare_fw-la &_o quibus_fw-la oporteat_fw-la praecepto_fw-la domini_fw-la vel_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la non_fw-la invenio_fw-la de_fw-fr finitum_fw-la what_o day_n to_o fast_o or_o what_o day_n not_o to_o fast_v he_o find_v it_o not_o define_v or_o set_v down_o by_o any_o commandment_n of_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n and_o by_o tertullian_n it_o appear_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n allege_v against_o the_o montanist_n 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