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A89845	A publike discovery, of the open blindness of Babels builders, and their confused language, who have been building without, till they deny faith, knowledge and the Gospel light within, the law of the new covenant, and matter of the new creature. Plainly laid open in an answer to a book intituled A publike discovery of a secret deceipt, subscribed John Deacon, in behalf of some who pretend a call to the ministry. Wherein their first queries their replyes; their answers to my queries, and their last queries is answered, and their whole work laid open, and the end thereof with queries sent back, by them to be answered, that their boasting spirit may be farther revealed, & its blindness. Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap, and set by themselves to be seen, how they will stand in the eye of truth, where but the least measure of God is known. / By an enemy to deceit, but a friend to the creation, called James Naylor.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N305; Thomason E870_2; ESTC R204793	29,385	50

its fruits Heresie in you If Diabollical then cease like Simon Magus to seem to be some great one to draw Disciples after you and resist this spirit in your self better repent then perish Ans The power that worketh in us is Divine Isa 26. 12. Phil. 2. 13. and the tree is known by its fruits and that is Antichrist and Heresie and Diabolical who hath no faith nor knowledg in them And such like Simon Magus would by or sell it for mony if they had it And these are Antichrists which John speaks on who cannot confess Christ in them And such we resist by the Spirit in us Quer. 21. Whether it be by the spirit of Satan or the power of God say you that worketh by Charmes whereby some of your Proselytes have been possessed with Divels as Gilpin Mary White and others And whether Peter or Simon Magus be the Apostles of Christ or whether it be the work of the spirit of God to inspire with the holy Ghost or with Satan and hereby let us know whether you be Saints or Sorcerers Make it out upon a Gospel account Ans The lyars and those that have no faith in them are possessed already but when the light of Christ is preached the Divel that hath possessed them comes therewith to be judged who then sets up his Charms to tempt them and turn them back again into his old way which if he effect it then his Ministers cryes them up for converted Christians as they did Gilpin till they were ashamed on him for his Drunkenness So they become your Proselytes for after the Divel get up with his Charmes in them they abide not with us For the spirit of God judgeth all Charmes and charming Worships and inspires with the holy Ghost But they who have no faith in them are inspired by Satan Hereby we know Saints from Sorcerers Quer. 22. And since you so much raile against Superiors and Dignities c. Ans Where the Quere is begun with a lye the intent thereof is easily seen What is the Superiors and Dignities we have railed against the latter part of your Quere makes it manifest Because we will not call your Ministers Masters as well as Rulers I say they are blinde that take them for either But since this is the thing you mean Is not Christ a Railer also with you who forbade the same before us if the Follower be guilty surely the Leader cannot be free And whereas you ask if Stewards of the Mysteries of God be inferior to the Word Master I say he may well be said to have no faith or knowledge in him that calls them either for there was never any of the Ministers of Christ who were Stewards of his Mysteries that were called of men Masters Neither will all your pleading for it obtain it from any who know the one Master Quer. 23. Did not your spirit speak in Korah Dathan and Abiram and their adherents c. Ans I say no Our spirit was opposed there as it is now by you And the spirit of Diatrophes you tell on is that which loved the preheminenee and is now pleading for Mastership which we oppose with its Doctrine by which the holy Men of God ever suffered and now suffers even unto blood for the testimony thereof even for the Lord Christ within us which you render as a reproach so to say which we count great riches and the hope of glory which you who deny faith and knowledge within oppose in a spirit of presumption and abomination Quer. 24. Is a lye the fruit of an in falliable or falliable spirit and may not a true Church erre and so be falliable Or may it erre and yet still be infallible or is pretence of infallibility or assurance that that Church so pretending is a true Church or did any of the Apostles boast of infallibility c. Ans A lye is the fruit of a fallible spirit Therefore is there so many heapt up in your Book who deny the infallible spirit and faith within For he that hath not an infallible spirit hath a lying spirit as you have sufficiently manifested And the true Church is in God the Father and in Christ Jesus his Son which is infallible But neither the Church of Rome nor yours is it who are without God in the world who scoff at the Lord Christ within us and render it as the sin of Korah for us to confess him How should there be ought else in you but a lying spirit And the Apostles boasted of an infallible spirit from which nothing could separate them with which they were sealed to the day of Redemption after they believed in the light which you that deny faith within have little knowledge of and so oppose you know not what and therefore are looking for miracles for your adulterous spirit and sayes is not the spirit fallible I say stop your mouths you lying spirits The spirit of God is not fallible nor did you ever know it who would so render it which spirit you that have not you speak of your selves and judge with a lye and the pure light you know not but are in the hellish darkness you tell of As these errors following which are gathered out of the heap of your confusion may witness That the new birth is a Remission of sin That the new birth is nothing else but a sanctified mind and will That the mind and will of man is the matter whereof the new Creature or Image of God is made That the new birth is the work of the spirit the ministery of man as the matter That he that knows the new birth by the letter of Scripture knows it not without the light and yet saith closing with the law written in the heart is contrary to the Gospel and that the Gospel is not made known by seeing within That their sins was no sins before the Letter of the Law was given That the Saints before the Letter was given had immediate Revelations of Gods vvill but since as Israel did in Canaan so lie at Rack and M●nger That if the Lavv vvhich God hath vvritten in the heart be novv sufficient then God vvrought a work in vain in giving the Law at mount Sinai That the Gospel is not made known by seeing within That the faith and knovvledge of the Disciples of Ephesus was not within That private Saints had never particular and peculiar commands That the Apostles was to plant but not to keep in order the Vineyards That as Satan is a Serpent so is Christ That closing with the Law written in the heart is contrary to the Gospel That the Law written in mans heart were not sufficient to its proper end Many more such blind confusions I might have gathered out of the heap but these may serve to shew what you know of the new Birth The new Covenant or Christ whom it is The Apostles Ministry or the Saints commands The Gospel light The knovvledge of sin or your selves but

We teach to turn peoples mindes to the light and word which is the one thing needful to be minded 2 Pet. 1. 19. 2 Cor. 4. 1. 10 8. And the Apostle preacht that word to the people which was in their hearts Rom. 10. 6 7 8. And their preaching was to open the blinde eyes and to turn from darkness to light and so from the power of Satan unto God the Father of the light Acts 26. 18. And the Scripture serveth for declaring and testifying that th●s Christ is he that is the light of the world and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world and the Saviour of all that believe John 12. 46. John 1. 9. 1 Tim. 4. 10. Reply answered As you made up your last with lyes so you begin this saying that I grant that all external things are useless none excepted when I speak not a word to that purpose but witness the word and the light thereof to be the one thing needful nor doth confessing this make useless any thing that God made onely it makes the hirelings and false Prophets useless as to teaching who have not the word and light in them Another lye is that I say the light in every man is not sufficient to lead out of all the ways of the dark world And a third is that I grant the Scriptures to be useless A fourth is that we cry that down in others that we preach up in our selves And a fifth is that I once denied preaching So these five feet being struck off the Reply falls to naught and my Answer stands as it was at the first onely some rambling words nothing to the purpose which I forbear to mention lest I should be as vainly imployed in repeating as you in raising them 5. Quer. And if that the external means be useless to what end were those most sacred gifts bestowed upon men Eph. 4. 10 11 12. And how the end and intent for which they were given became void Answ 5. The end of those gifts was for perfecting the Saints and bringing all into one faith unto a perfect man which they that teach that none can be perfect by those gifts while they live do set up a faith in people contrary to the end of those gifts and by setting up external things in stead of these spiritual gifts have you lost the gifts and have made them void and so are become enemies to the end and intent of them in others who have them and believe the end of them And thus the end and intent for which they were given are become void to you Eph. 4. 10 11 12. Reply answered This also is made up of great swelling words and challenges and charges which are false as you charge them upon me as that I said in my Answer that thou John Deacon had set up external things and so made void the end of the spiritual gifts and this you make into three or four lyes to father upon me when my words are They that teach that none can be perfect do so but did not mention thee John Deacon nor intend it for I never looked upon thee as one of those Teachers thou never had that wit though malice enough to make a cover for one who dare not be seen lest his works be brought to light So these boults turn back upon the makers with the rest in the former and the Secret Deceipt is seen you tell on But the word perfecting the Saints sticks much on your stomack and so I am charged to produce a President of one person in all the Scripture that ever was perfect by any means and your penalty is else yeild my selfe a lyar but why a lyar because I say the end of those gifts was for perfecting the Saints and must not Paul be a lyar with you also who said so before me Eph. 4. 10 11 12. And can you believe if I produce a President in Scripture however since I am charged therewith and you ignorant of it I shall set you where you may find more then one Job 1. 8. Prov. 11. 5. Psal 37. 37. 1 Cor. 2. 6. Phil. 3. 15. Colos 1. 28. 4. 12. Jam. 3. 2. Gen. 6. 9. Luk. 6. 40. Heb. 10. 14. 1. Thes 5. 2. Search these Scriptures over before you conclude me a lvar so shall I not be alone herein But now what Reply to my Answer further then a lyer to wit that I do wrest the Scripture and your meaning which I quote as it is without the least meaning or wresting at all Quer. 6. If natural light be sufficient without the help of the means what then is become of the work of grace Eph. 2. 5. 8. Rom. 11. 6. and of the growth of faith Luk. 17. 5. Mark 9. 24. The practical use of Ordinances 1 Cor. 11. 2. 23. 24. As Baptism Matth. 8. 19. The Lords Supper Reading 1 Tim. 4. 13. Preaching Matth. 28. 20. and several other places Prayer 1 Thes 5. 17. Rom. 12. 12. Communion of Saints in publique Assemblies Heb. 10. 25. Answ 6. The light of Christ is the gift of the grace of God which brings salvation which teaches to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly righteously and godly in this present world Tit. 2. 11. 12. And with this light is the work of grace seen but thou that callest this natural light or wouldest make people believe it is not sufficient must needs be ignorant of that spirit whereby that work of grace and growth of faith prayer and communion of Saints Supper and Ordinances is known for without faith in the light of Christ these are not known nor accepted though dark natural imaginations may make an imitation from them in the Letter 1 Cor. 2. 14. And thus are the works of grace become to all that deny the light and spirit of Christ within and take up a tradition from the letter without sensual having not the spirit Jude 19. Reply answered The Reply to this Answer is O deceitful Sophister and so because you cannot enter upon my Answer yet to your old trade of lying your way is open that I deny the work of grace faith the growth of faith by the use of Ordinances most if not all and that I wave the Question when as I tell you what is become of the work of grace to all that deny the light and what the gift of grace is which is more rather then less then was asked me Quer. 7. Whether the Bible be the written word of God yea or no if not what means the Apostle 1 Cor. 14. 36. 37. 38. Gal. 1. 10. 11. 1 Thes 2. 13. Answ 7. That is the word which the Bible declares of which is invisible and eternal which they that received i● of God and had it in their hearts did speak or write it down which writing they called a declaration Luke 1. 1. 1 John 1. 3. But doth no where say the Bible is the word but God and Christ is the word Jeh 1.

at the plow I am not ashamed of it knowing it to be a lawful employment much better then the hireling that works not at all but lives on other mens labours taking by violence what 's other mens labours but seeing the plow is a reproach with you why should not the tythes be so also which are a fruit of the plow but it seems there is a generation to whom the plow is a reproach but the sheaves gentile but the scorners will do scornfully Quer. 15. If you are perfectly f●ee from sin as you assert you are what then is the sting of death or are you in the flesh immortal on earth Answ 15. The former part of this Quere I return thee back wi●h the latter part of thy foregoing being both of one root but to the latter part I answer where the new birth is witnessed which is not of corruptible seed but incorruptible partakers of the Divine Nature the life of Christ made manifest in mortal flesh and where life and immortality is brought to light there the sting of death is seen to be abolisht on earth but this Cains generation knows not where death reigns and therefore would murther such as are translated from death to life Reply answered In this after your old manner your Reply is O incomparable hypocritical lyar And forthwith a challenge is made to try the contest whether you or I be the lyar And you say my own writings must decide the Controversie And the charge is that I have said expresly them who say they have faith and yet their life is not the life of Christ and say they cannot be saved from their sins in this world but in part them and their faith we deny So if I have not denied this in my Answer to this Query then you are the lyars but if I have then I must be he but have you not here with your hasty railing lost your senses to put your case to tryal in so plain a thing where there is not the least shew of a word seeming to deny this in the whole Answer neither is there one word here wherein perfection is asserted so stay till I assert it in my own behalfe till then your consequence from what another said will not clear your quere of a lye cast upon me but afterward you are made to confess your lyes in both queries in these words say you for charity take this that the former part of my last query and the latter part of this are both of one root to wit the false doctrine of your spirit which is a lying one so you confess to what I told you they was so the Controversie is decided in this business and the incomperable hypocritical lyar hath confessed to the lye and what spirit it is of Que. 16. And if you have no sin to what end is Christ beneficial as an Advocate Intercessor and Mediator or is he no such Answ 16. Christ that gives a man a light to see his sin who redeems and cleanseth him from sin is of use to us and all that knows him as the Mediator and of use to keep his from the wicked one and that he toucheth them not 1 John 5. 18. And the same who sets from sin is he that keeps free from sin and this benefit we have by him as Advocate Intercessor and Mediator Ephes 16. 17. Reply answered In this the pit mouth opens againe and outcomes O Secret Deceiver with a lye at the end of it and that is that I grant what I lately denied and that must be that I asserted that I am perfectly free from sin With another lye on the Apostle John the end of which is to deny Christ to be an Advocate for the righteous where sin is not committed your words are these But if any man sin not else we have an Advocate with the Father And then you conclude if you have no sin then is Christ useless So by your Doctrine to obtain the end of Christs comming which is to set free from sin is to make Christ useless when the same Apostle saith He that abides in Christ sins not doth he make Christ useless or is it not he alone that can keep that the evil one touch not in whom he is and they in him But the lyars never knew what it was to be in him nor kept by him further then to ●nbolden your selves in the worlds wickedness by talking of him you know not And it is no strange thing to see you pervert my words all into a lye when you date turn the Scriptures into a lye to deny Christ to be an Advocate unless men sin saying not else which the Scripture saith not so he is no Advocate in prayer with you and spiritual worship so you have said enough to shew your knowledge in Christ as he is Advocate Intercestor and Mediator Quere 17. And if you be perfect in purity what is the cause you are not also perfect in glory Answ 17. Perfect glory is perfect purity and every one according to their measures are glorified therewith but this world knows not whose glory fadeth neither can they judge of it with their impure spirit 2 Cor. 3. 18. And of this glory all the Saints have a measure in this life but the world hates it Reply answered What you say in this is suitable to the former and one answer is to both Quer. 18. And if you disown method in teaching I Quere whether you have any command against it and whether you esteem better then uniformity Answ 18. That method and teaching which is out of the Doctrine of Christ which is in the wisedom of man and in the wisdom of words of mans wisedom out of the unity of the light of Christ and his Spirit this we see to be confusion and not uniformity and against it we have a command which was judged with the spirit of the Apostles so do we 1 Cor. 2. Reply answered In this Answer I am rendred as a fool though before a subtile Sophister and you say rather deserve to be laughed at then in the least to be replied to I say had you said as little to all the rest you had shewed more wisdom and less lying though your scornful laughter I justifie not Quer. 19. Whether ever intentively the Gospel was promised to be made known or practically that it was made known without the means to wit the Ministration of man if not why then do you resist it Answ 19. The Gospel was made known and promised intnetively and practically to the servants and children of God without the Ministration of man as to Adam Enoch Noah Abraham Isaiah and all the Propets John Baptist Simeon the Shepherds Paul and divers others and the same he doth at this day and none can limit him nor do I resist what meanes he uses but such as resist his works deny his light and would limit him Gen. 3. 15. Gen. 9 9. Gen. 17. 7. Luk. 3. 20. Luk. 2. 10.

Gal. 1. 11 12. Reply answered In this I am called blind Sophister again and you say it would be absurd to imagine that any should preach the Gospel of Christ as from themselves though say you I dare presume to say you do so that though it be absurd so to say yet you dare presume to say it for your priviledge is to speak absurd things and to presume so to do yet not see your selves herein which did you mind the light you might see the blinde Sophister at home but this is not the first absurdity by many in your Book which you have presumed to cast upon me though you have not confessed to them all as to this Also this must not be without a lye more which is that I bring the means to testifie against it selfe but cannot instance wherein and when thou hast confessed that we preach the Gospel of Christ and saies you dare presume to say we do then say you but tell me hath that man any one spark of Grace or Truth in him that cannot see you are truthless So to preach the Gospel of Christ is a truthless thing amongst you and such blind stuff as this you cast out at random nor have I denied any means in my Answer that God is free to make use on as you would accuse for I have learned otherwise then to limit him to means or from means in what he hath not declared I am silent but this I say what means soever he uses the hireling is denied and they whose worship is not according to Scripture as your high-place worship is not neither in call maintenance nor manner of worship in any one particular And this I am ready to make appear when I shall be called thereto not withstanding ●●● the filthy venomous names you have called me in your replies which shews your inside and the fruits of your Ministrie and serve most for that end for me they touch not nor hath your Replies in the least shaken my answers though your unclean languaege have shewen your own foundation and confusion thereon builded Reply to the pretended Answers subscribed John Deacon unto fourteen Queries put forth by James Naylor Quere I. NOw seeing you so much oppose the light within and spirit and set up the Letter for the Light I say seeing it is plain all the Saints had a light in Spirit to guide them in wayes accepted in all ages before the Letter was if you be spiritual men give it in writing what that Light was where it was and how they came by it when they had no Letter or was it sufficient before the Letter is it the same now or when or how was it changed and the Letter set in its stead 1. Answer and Reply In the Answer to this Quere I am charged with a lye because I say you oppose the light within and spirit and sets up the Letter for the Light yet in the Answer your great work is to deny the Law written in the heart and place it now in the Letter and sayes the Gospel is not known by being within and sayes it is one of the most principal Controversies between us Christians and the Quakers and saies that which was once written in the heart and was sufficient is now become insufficient and now since the thing you have stated that the Controversie must be betwixt the Law that was received at mount Sinai which you call a lively Oracle and that which God hath written in the heart we will search the Scripture for whom it bears testimony and with whom they side in this controversie Jer. 31. God in ●es a promise of the new Covenant after they had broken that which you call a lively Oracle and saith God this shall be my Covenant I will make with the house of Israel I will put my Law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and they shall teach no more every Man his Neighbour and every Man his Brother saying know the Lord for all shall know me from the least to the greatest And Paul Heb. 8. witnesseth the same words and sayes the first Covenant was faulty And in 2 Cor. 3. he calls that which was engraven in stones the ministration of death and said he he was not a Minister of it but of the spirit for said he the Letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and saith it is done away that is in the letter And David saith of a righteous man the Law of God is in his heart so that none of his steps shall slide Psal 37. 3● and Paul saith the Law of Spirit and life in Christ Jesus made me free from the Law of Sin and Death and this Law you say is become unsufficient and yet with the same shameless mouth am I accused for a lye saying you oppose the light within and set up the l●●ter behold your work and be ashamed you blind guides who know not the light in you your states you may read Eph. 4. 18 19. and this blind work you have in hand is suitable And further to manifest your blindness you say before that law their sins were no sins so by your doctrine it were no sin for Cain to kill his Brother and Sodom and the old world suffered without sin by your Doctrine and such dark muddy stuff as this you utter but leaves the Quere wholly unanswered Quer. 2. Reeing you say the Scripture is a Rule declare in plainness is the whole Scriptures a Rule to all men and women to take up the practise thereof or how much of it is and to how many people and to whom in particular seeing the Saints in all ages had their particular commands how may weak people know which of their commands they must take up and which they must not and when they have found the commands where they must have the power and whether that which gives the commands be not the power only accepted for performance deal plain herein that people may know what to do and what they have done that they be not always learning and never able to come to the end of their labours and rest of God 2. Answer and Reply In the Answer to this Quere after you have uttered a sort of frothy words you come to lay down an impudent lye saying private Saints had never particular and peculiar commands and ere you leave the Quere you contradict your lye your selves saying Noah had a particular command to build an Ark and John to Baptize and the Apostles to Preach c. But for Answer to the Quere which asks how people may know which of these commands they must follow you send us to Reverend Pens to seek but names not where and so steals away from it Que● 3. Seeing Christ preached the Kingdom of God within unbeleevers and the Apostle saith that which may be known of God is manifest in them and that they came to the knowledge of God and his glory by the light that shone

means and maintenance that it was in the Apostles times which not one Steeple house-Teacher in the Nation is in so all you can plead for them will not game what you have confessed against them till they change their practice You have now left no place for any meaning but to the Apostles practise you must come or else none of Christs Ministers by your own confession and then you would plead for another practise then the Apostles and saies the Apostles emploiment requireth haste and they were to travel from one Region to another were to plant not to order the Vineyard To which I say it will be long ere your Ministers be in such haste as to leave their parsonages and go travel from one Region to another unless for a better benefit so by your confession they who are not the same are none of Christs Ministers so stop your mouth for pleading any change from what was in the Apostles time but what you say that they were not to order the vinyard I say that 's false they both planted and ordered but such as sit at home do neither as they did so their plants brings forth like fruit Quer. 10. Whether the light of Christ be as sufficient to lead to God now as it was in Abrahams time and if not what must now be added to it to make it sufficient 10. Answer and Reply In stead of one Answer to this I receive two slanders that I seek to prevent his will and fight against the spirit of God in the Primitive Saints Another lye you tell of God saying God then wrought immediately but he doth not the same now To which I say the Heathen knew him not to work then immediately nor do they now and so it is denied by you as it was by them Quer. 11. Can any preach Christ who have not Christ in them and where he is is he not sole Teacher what to preach and pray and how and when and to whom and is he to be limitted by any external thing or to any external thing or is any Ordinance to be practised but what he in spirit leads the Creature to 11. Answer and Reply Your judgement is that they may preach Christ and yet not have Christ in them and so Reprobate Preachers you would set up and it is your likest way lest you should exclude your selves and all the rest of that blind generation but do such know what they preach who preach without Christ in them for say you the Traytor preached Christ as well as any other of the Apostles I say such preachers are you of and such is your fruits and you murmur at staying for the spirit and saies it bereaves you of your glorious communion of God I say what communion is that which is without the spirit what glory that is I know it s but the glory of your imaginations and so is your prayers that is without the spirit and all the rest of your worships Quer. 12. What is the ground and rise of your knowledge whether it be received within man from God or without from the letter And if without whether this be not the knowledg which all the vain janglers comes out of and the generation of persecutors comes out of as the Jews was in which professed the letter and were strangers to the life of God And whether this generation of men and professors in our age do not begin to manifest the same as the persecuting Jews did yea or nay 12. Answer and Reply In your Answer to this you say your ground of knowledge is neither within nor without and so it seems by your Answers as without foundation not spiritual because not within and you bely the Church of Ephesus in saying their faith and knowledge too was without not within And for your blessed Candles of the Gospel as you call them whom you say waste themselves that you may grow up into perfection I say they are seen to be dart lights and such as waste all about them but withstand perfection casting into prison for their gaine and envy such candles give light to all your drunkards swearers whoremongers fighters lyars covetous proud Idolaters and all manner of licentious persons such perfection is brought forth by such as follow their candles and so cal darkness light and light darkness and their works are like their candles and you blasphemers set these in stead of Christ calling them candles of the Gospel much like your selves who say the Ephesians when they beleeved their faith and knowledge was not within such dark Lanthorns you are who have not the light in you so your light and faith is without so blame them not who say you have no faith in you and so are unreasonable men 2 Thes 3. 2. and that is seen by your tumults at the Mouth And for the fire and faggot you tel on you are going toward it fighting imprisoning whipping and blood-shed The light of your Candles Quer. 13. What Scripture have you for your manner of worship as to read a Chapter and to give meanings to it and call it Expounding to take a Text of another mans words and raise Points Reasons and Uses c. to sprinkle Infants to sing Davids words in order of your Ballades to stand praying in the Synagogues at your set times before and after your glass prove your practise by command from Christ or practise of Gospel-Ministers else for shame cease to call it Gospel-worship since none of Christs Ministers worshipped in that manner 13. Answer and Reply Your Answer to this is thus much Christ preached and his Apostles and you preach Nehemiah expounded and you expound and so doth the Pope may he say but that either he or you are in that manner of preaching that Christ and his Apostles was that I deny and that you are to prove for what is not in the same manner is another worship for if Moses vvas so faithful in his house that not one tittle must be changed much more Christ so that worship which is not the same in manner though it have got the name of Worship yet that I deny to be Christs worship But to question this your manner of Worship say you is to clip the wings of God So he that will not let men set up what they will for worship and hold it unquestionable clips Gods wings so we must beleeve as the Church believes saies your Predecessor but will you call your selves Ministers of Christ and will not the same manner serve you to preach and worship in that his Ministers used but are gone out from the same in every particular and would bring the Apostles words to justifie a practise contrary to theirs which to question you call clipping of wings And whereas you say this hath been as often answered as proposed that is false for never was it answered yet nor can be till the same manner of worship be brought forth in every particular Did the Apostles or Ministers of